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2018 Bengals: Marvin Seeks a Fifth Term

Discussion in 'Blinded by the Lombardis: Patriots Forum' started by Rudy's Curve, Mar 12, 2018.

  1. Rudy's Curve

    Rudy's Curve Member SoSH Member

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    The once perennial one-and-doners have fallen on hard times the last two years as poor drafting and talent exodus caught up to them in a big way. Nonetheless, that didn't stop them from bringing Marvin Lewis back for a 16th season and almost assuredly a 17th as it was a two-year deal. The odds were probably against them finding a better coach given who they are, but it was worth a shot as the status quo is pretty established at this point.

    After letting longtime stalwart LT Andrew Whitworth walk last year, the Bengals gambled on their first two picks from 2015, Cedric Ogbuehi and Jake Fisher, at tackle. That failed miserably as Ogbuehi was unable to handle the left side after flopping on the right the year before and Fisher struggled before a heart condition ended his season halfway through. When you have a QB that struggles abnormally with pressure, this is a problem especially with a perennial liability at C in Russell Bodine and a rotating cast at RG. Bodine is up for free agency and Lewis has openly talked about wanting him back (and they wonder why they never win), so I'm sure they'll bring him back a couple weeks into free agency after his market proves empty. I guess there's some hope that new OL coach Frank Pollack (the Bengals swapped line coaches with the Cowboys as longtime coach Paul Alexander was let go) can get more out of these guys, but I'm not buying any green bananas. They'll certainly be in the market for a LT, although I'm not sure any of the three main guys in this draft will be worth it at 12.

    Top-10 pick John Ross had a nightmare rookie year, not catching a pass and fumbling on his only touch while alternating between being hurt and in Lewis' doghouse. The recent history of first-round receivers with lost rookie years is really bad as Santana Moss is the only one that went on to have a good career. The two are built pretty similarly, so I guess there's something to hang your hat on but he'll certainly have to buck a trend. I'd still rather take a chance on that happening than bring back Brandon LaFell, who is 31, brings nothing to this offense and can easily be cut. I hope they try to bring back Tyler Eifert as although he's obviously a huge health risk, he completely changes this offense when he is healthy.

    Joe Mixon's efficiency (3.5 YPC) wasn't very good, but he was running behind a line that couldn't open up any holes and he did very good work (20/287 with 9.5 YPC and an 88% catch rate) in the passing game while Gio Bernard is an excellent change-of-pace back. Hopefully with Bill Lazor now permanently the OC with an offseason to plan and some upgrades on the line, the offense will get back to being a respectable unit. The talent is certainly there in the skill positions between Mixon and A.J. Green with the possibility of Ross and hopefully Eifert joining them.

    On the other side of the ball, DC Paul Guenther took his talents to Oakland as the Bengals will have a new philosophy (Guenther was a Mike Zimmer disciple) for the first time in nine years. They brought in Teryl Austin from Detroit, whose 2014 Lions' defense was excellent which is the last time he had comparable talent to work with. After missing his rookie year, 2016 first-round CB William Jackson III ascended to an already elite level as teams didn't even bother testing him down the stretch after figuring out they couldn't complete passes in his direction. Between his and 2014 first-rounder Darqueze Dennard's emergence in the slot, they declined Adam Jones' option although they could still bring him back.

    Hopefully this will be the year Vontaze Burfict avoids a suspension as they're a very good unit with him on the field. Young linebackers Nick Vigil and Jordan Evans flashed but also dealt with inconsistency and I could definitely see them taking Roquan Smith or Tremaine Edmunds if they're still there at 12. Up front, they've openly talked about extending Carlos Dunlap and Geno Atkins. I'm generally not a fan of big third contracts as they'll be 30 and 31 respectively when those kick in, but they're both still playing at a high level and Atkins is a HOF-caliber talent. Hopefully sophomore Carl Lawson (8.5 sacks) gets more of an every-down role as incumbent RE Michael Johnson is 31 with a ton of mileage. The signing of Chris Baker should upgrade the interior pressure next to Atkins as he tallied 9.5 sacks in 2015-16 with Washington before flopping after signing a big deal with Tampa Bay. The hope is that he's on a one-year deal while then-DC Jim Haslett and DL coach Jacob Burney in Washington are with the Bengals now.

    I have hope they can contend again this year with some luck and upgrades, although I'll believe it when I see it. Andy Dalton will also be under fire, as QBs usually don't get three sub-par years in a row and they can easily get out of his contract after this year.
     
  2. Rudy's Curve

    Rudy's Curve Member SoSH Member

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    And right on cue...



    @JosinaAnderson 7m7 minutes ago
    I'm told the #Bengals are trading for #Bills OT Cordy Glenn.

    He's only played 11 and six games the last two years, but he's an upper-echelon LT when healthy and fills their biggest need by far. I'm more than happy to move down from 12 to 21 in this draft for a player like that who is under contract for three years.
     
    #2 Rudy's Curve, Mar 12, 2018
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  3. Rudy's Curve

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    @JimOwczarski 6m6 minutes ago
    Tyler Eifert is back with the #Bengals on a one-year deal. http://cin.ci/2IpGAA2

    This is more good news. Although he's only played 24 games the last four years, he's been an elite red zone weapon (18 TDs) when on the field. They need to surround Dalton with as many playmakers as possible, so getting him back to go along with a massive upgrade at LT is an excellent development. If he can stay reasonably healthy and John Ross becomes a threat, this offense can be very good again.
     
    #3 Rudy's Curve, Mar 15, 2018
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  4. RedOctober3829

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    Burfict got suspended for 4 games for a PED violation. According to Ian Rapaport, if the appeal is lost this would void his guaranteed money and the Bengals could theoretically move on from him.



    If #Bengals LB Vontaze Burfict loses his appeal of a 4-game suspension, the guarantees in his 3-year, $33M contract will void. That’s nearly $11.3M. Which means Cincy can move on if they want to.
     
  5. Kenny F'ing Powers

    Kenny F'ing Powers posts 18% useful shit Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    This bums me out, because I really wanted the Pats to take a flyer on him. His knock during the draft was short arms, and post draft was durability. But when healthy, he's a top 5 receiving TE and serviceable as a blocker.

    I'm interested to hear your thoughts on Atkins. Has he performed to HoF standards after his injury? I haven't really been paying attention, but I was under the impression his burst has waned.
     
  6. Rudy's Curve

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    The first year back in 2014 he wasn't himself, which wasn't surprising given he tore his ACL halfway through the previous year. He may not be 100% of what he was before the injury, but he's still an elite disruptor.
     
  7. Rudy's Curve

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    Brandon LaFell released, continuing the theme of addition by subtraction as the team has moved on from a lot of the dead weight that plagued it the last two years. This opens the door for John Ross to see the majority of outside snaps along with plus-size/speed man Josh Malone. With a revamped coaching staff and offensive line along with promising young players stepping into bigger roles, I'm very optimistic they'll be competitive again. I wouldn't dare dream of playing in the second weekend of January, but I'm dumb enough to think they'll be in the playoffs.
     
  8. Rudy's Curve

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    Atkins and Dunlap both extended. Normally I'm not a fan of big third contracts, but they're both still playing at a very high level at premium positions. With them now in the fold long-term and Carl Lawson, Jordan Willis, Andrew Billings and Sam Hubbard on the rise, they have the makings of a really good and deep DL for a long time.
     
  9. maufman

    maufman Anderson Cooper x Mr. Rogers Staff Member Dope Gold Supporter

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    I hadn’t seen this until now.

    I actually had the opposite take on Lewis’s future — giving him just a 2-year deal, rather than the standard 3 or 4, gives them the flexibility to move on after this season if there isn’t progress. Also, they are projected to be $69 million under the cap heading into next offseason, so if they do move on from Lewis, the new regime will have significant flexibility to remake the team — which is something the Bengals weren’t in a position to offer heading into this season.

    https://overthecap.com/calculator/cincinnati-bengals/
     
  10. Rudy's Curve

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    That reasoning only applies to the 31 other teams. I think the roof would have to cave in (which isn't going to happen) for Lewis to be fired - another mediocre or one-and-done season would likely just result in him being a lame duck next year like he was last year. And for better or worse, they simply do not spend big money on free agents from other teams. Whatever they use of that cap room will be extending their own guys.
     
  11. maufman

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    Honestly, if they go 8-8 with the talent they’ve got, Lewis deserves another season. But if they muddle through a third consecutive losing season, I do think they will move on from Lewis— which probably means big changes in the front office too (any new coach worth his salt will insist on some changes), and perhaps a change in the strategy they’ve pursued for the past 15 years.
     
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  12. Rudy's Curve

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    I'm not going to believe any noise in January until I see it, but they have much better talent than 8-8. LT and C were massive liabilities last year and both were sufficiently addressed. There's no question that the right side of the line is still a problem though and could ultimately sink them. If Eifert can stay reasonably healthy and Ross can play to his talent, they're going to have four good to excellent skill players on the field between them, Green and Mixon plus a good slot receiver in Tyler Boyd and second TE in Tyler Kroft. On the other side of the ball, they have maybe the deepest DL in the league including a ferocious unit in pass rush situations (Dunlap, Carl Lawson, Atkins and whomever kicks inside between Michael Johnson, Jordan Willis and Sam Hubbard), a solid LB corps when Burfict returns and a good secondary with a shutdown corner in William Jackson.

    This team has done nothing but kick me in the teeth my entire life so I have no reason to be a homer, but they're way better than people are giving them credit for. The last time I felt they were this undervalued going into the year was in 2015 when they were an elite team before an untimely Dalton injury ruined their season. This team isn't as good, but I expect them to be in the playoffs and compete for a division title.
     
  13. snowmanny

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    I think you're right. I think it's a dogfight with Pittsburgh and if I had to bet I'd say it's the Steelers who end up in the wild card spot.
     
  14. Rudy's Curve

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    This team should have beaten the Colts convincingly, but they rarely ever make it easy. Credit to Luck for maneuvering in the pocket to escape sacks and take what they gave him underneath. They did a good job not letting Hilton get going and shutting down the running game, but the pass rush has to get home more against better teams. Although the Colts probably have the least talented defense in the league, this was the Mixon we've been waiting for as he was patient for the hole to open and then decisive going through it. They're going to need him and the rest of the skill players to be great every week since the right side of the OL proved to be a disaster. I don't know how you can willingly go into a season with Alex Redmond (a third-year undrafted player with zero starts) and Bobby Hart (a Giants castoff) as starters, and it proved costly as they were routinely beaten in pass protection and Hart gave up two sacks to ex-Bengals bust Margus Hunt. Jake Fisher's career hasn't exactly inspired confidence, but I can't see how he'd be any worse than Hart while a second OL coach has now buried Christian Westerman who was inactive. There's zero doubt he's going to be the next Evan Mathis - a quality player the Bengals ignored who went on to be very productive for another team. At least Mathis was actually in a rotation at one point though - Westerman has never gotten off the ground.

    Onto Thursday night and a big home game against the Ravens for the early division lead. I'm confident that the pass rush will be more of a factor at home and against a less mobile QB, but they can't let Collins get going and the right side of the line is going to be really tested against a much stouter front.
     
  15. Rudy's Curve

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    For the first time since Week 9 of 2015, I can say that football is fun again. Things still aren't perfect (that never should've been a one-score game late and the next time they don't allow points inside two minutes of the half will be the first), but they did what they had to do. This offense is very hard to stop when Mixon gets rolling and Dalton is able to get it out quick to mitigate the protection issues on the right side. Unfortunately, one of last year's big problems appeared again as they were unable to get anything going in the second half. Defensively, the rush was able to get home enough and force Flacco into some bad throws to create turnovers where they were simply unable last year.

    Off to Carolina next weekend followed by a trip to Atlanta. It's a tough two-game swing, but both those teams have their issues (Carolina is badly banged up offensively and Atlanta defensively). I expect them to get at least one win, and it's nice to already have two conference wins and a division win in the bank.
     
  16. BigSoxFan

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    4 more years! 4 more years!
     
  17. wade boggs chicken dinner

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    It's funny how much of an impact a few plays can have on a game. I thought the game was pretty evenly played but the score could have been wildly different in either direction.

    For example, the Ravens had CIN stopped on two first half drives except for two penalties that were kind of close (not saying they were bad calls but weren't egregious) and then decided to try Tavon Young on AJ Green twice in the slot, which turned out to be a very bad mismatch.

    OTOH, CIN decides to go for the throat at the end of the first half instead of just running the ball three times and going in 28-7 but gives BAL a chance to score a TD at the half to make it 28-14.

    Losing Mosley in the first half on a short week I thought really hurt BAL.

    Kudos to the first-place and undefeated Bengals though.
     
  18. Rudy's Curve

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    The PI may have been a little tacky, but it's generally going to get called more often than not. There was also a similar one on the other side on Dennard that Pereira disagreed with that gave the Ravens their first TD. I thought the Suggs penalty was fairly clear.

    The end of the half completely backfired on the Bengals, but even with a 21-point lead you have to stay aggressive. The Ravens had all three timeouts so they would've gotten the ball back with a minute left anyways and a kicker that has unlimited range. They fucked it up by Kirkpatrick dropping an easy pick (news at 11), missing a tackle on Collins and then Kirkpatrick taking a really dumb penalty (drink), plus the timeout that nullified the OPI on Crabtree and then Dunlap missing a clear shot at Flacco on the TD.

    Although the Bengals have had success there recently, playing in Baltimore is never easy so it was especially important to get this one. There's a lot of season left though.
     

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