Dismiss Notice
Guest, I have a big favor to ask you. We've been working very hard to establish ourselves on social media. If you like/follow our pages it would be a HUGE help to us. SoSH on Facebook and Inside the Pylon Thanks! Nip

2018 ALDS. Game 4. Sox still in the Shithouse.

Discussion in '2018 Red Sox Game Threads' started by Trotsky, Oct 9, 2018.

  1. reggiecleveland

    reggiecleveland sublime Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    19,177
    Are you mocking Canadians? Take off.
     
  2. InsideTheParker

    InsideTheParker Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    22,750
    Don't forget Spike Lee and Billy Crystal. But yeah, Rudy is wayyyyy worse.
     
  3. InsideTheParker

    InsideTheParker Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    22,750
    Nah. Do they own that word, b/c I've used it all my long life. I have been to Canada a couple of times. The people were nice, but the traffic around Montreal is awful. How do they stand it, eh?
     
  4. ObstructedView

    ObstructedView Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    900
    That 9th inning reminded me a little of the end of game 5 vs the As in 2003 ALDS. That was the one in which Lowe struck out Terrence Long looking and grabbed his crotch, prompting pearl-clutching in the Oakland clubhouse afterwards. The circumstances were different in that '03 was an elimination game for BOTH teams, and Lowe didn't create his own mess (he came in with 2 on and nobody out) -- but in both cases the Sox managed to eke out a series-clinching save when disaster seemed imminent. I actually used that memory to slightly calm myself as everything was unfolding last night.
     
  5. Average Reds

    Average Reds Dope Staff Member Dope V&N Mod SoSH Member

    Messages:
    22,889
    Anyone with time to kill should be informed that the game is being replayed on MLB Network as I type this.
     
  6. Average Reds

    Average Reds Dope Staff Member Dope V&N Mod SoSH Member

    Messages:
    22,889
    And there’s a ball stung to left center, but it hangs up and so JDM settles for a sac fly.

    1-0.
     
  7. TFisNEXT

    TFisNEXT Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    10,189
    Funny you mention this but I was thinking the exact same thing last night. I was feeling complete doom in the air and thought "when was the last time the Red Sox got themselves into this big of a shitstorm in the playoffs?" I immediately thought of ALDS game 5 in 2003. It was minor, but I definitely slightly relaxed...I started thinking how awesome it would be when Kimbrel finally gets out of it rather than how we would lose.

    That's probably what was the best silver lining on the shitty outing by Kimbrel....it gave the MFY the worst case of blue balls to end their season. Awesome.
     
  8. Van Everyman

    Van Everyman Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    16,060
    Game over
     
  9. InsideTheParker

    InsideTheParker Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    22,750
    It's actually fun to watch again, without angst, to notice more closely stuff like Hernandez behind the plate. In my opinion, he erred four or five times on pretty close pitches. What bothered me the most were inconsistent calls of holding up vs. going around.
     
  10. reggiecleveland

    reggiecleveland sublime Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    19,177
    What I am surprised by is the number of Yankees, Yankee fans conceding the Sox as the better team, etc. One fifth of an inch here or there and the Yanks walkoff and the Sox are staring at Sale after a relief appearance and a shaky Kimbrell for game 5. Maybe the Yankees traditionally have had so much success they don't agonize over how close they were.
    Be honest I got an 86 vibe. Everything had fallen into place and the closer was melting down. Kimbrell, unlike Schiraldi pulled himself together, and instead of screwing up a simple play, Nunez made an exceptional play to finish it off.
     
  11. BroodsSexton

    BroodsSexton Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    7,993
    Sure, but that can go the other way too.
     
  12. phrenile

    phrenile Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    7,707
    One fifth of an inch there, perhaps.
     
  13. Average Reds

    Average Reds Dope Staff Member Dope V&N Mod SoSH Member

    Messages:
    22,889
    The 9th is much more relaxing if you know the outcome.
     
  14. DennyDoyle'sBoil

    DennyDoyle'sBoil Found no thrill on Blueberry Hill SoSH Member

    Messages:
    24,121
    Yeah, those are the moments that you never forget.

    I’m worried about Kimbrel. And if you’d offered me a 10 pitch no drama ninth and a 4-1 win I would have taken 100 out of 100. Nobody would choose what we got. But in hindsight it’s fucking great.

    Nobody would choose Foulke on fumes against Clark. Or Lowe having to come in in a jam. Or being down 4-3 on the verge of getting swept. Or needing a Papi grand slam to stay in the series. Or staring at an epic squander with JD Drew batting. But we’d never trade them now!
     
    #4364 DennyDoyle'sBoil, Oct 10, 2018
    Last edited: Oct 10, 2018
  15. phrenile

    phrenile Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    7,707
    Sure, if you trade away 2003, there's no chance they hand over an important playoff series to Aaron fucking Boone to squander.
     
  16. CantKeepmedown

    CantKeepmedown Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    1,524
    Exactly. Kinsler just missed a GS in the 1st. Could have been 8-1 going into the 9th.
     
  17. snowmanny

    snowmanny Well-Known Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

    Messages:
    9,106
    Yeah that’s baseball. The series score was 27-14. The Red Sox had three decent starting pitching performances. The Yankees had one, and it probably wasn’t as good as any of those three Red Sox performances. Yes a catch here and a wind gust there games 1&4 could flip, but the team that played better won this time.
     
  18. Norm Siebern

    Norm Siebern Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    6,138
    This cannot be over emphasised. The sheer pleasure of watching these 25 is a joy. It is too early to have that taken away from us. Boxos is spot on correct.
     
  19. Hank Scorpio

    Hank Scorpio Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    4,643
    Nunez made a great play on fielding the ball, but a lot of credit goes to Pearce picking the throw and keeping his foot on the bag just long enough.
     
  20. normstalls

    normstalls Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    3,013
    [​IMG]

    I am not a pitch f/x whiz... but this is Betances from last night. I'm assuming the red 4 outside the zone is strike 3 on Benny.
     
  21. reggiecleveland

    reggiecleveland sublime Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    19,177
    I mentioned 86, still too soon to discuss 1b defence.
     
  22. Trotsky

    Trotsky Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    1,927
    I can’t even recall the Yankees game two starter
     
  23. InsideTheParker

    InsideTheParker Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    22,750
    Kidding? Tanaka.
     
  24. tims4wins

    tims4wins PN23's replacement SoSH Member

    Messages:
    18,936
    While the 16-1 game skews this, let’s not forget that while the Sox seemed fortunate to win a pair of one run games in which they suffered some late inning melt downs, in those two games the Sox led 5-0 and 4-0 respectively. They got out to huge leads in 3 of the 4 games. The Yankees biggest lead prior to the 3 run home off Eddie was a short lived 3-0 lead in game 2 which was then 3-1 for like 5 innings. The Sox led by 3+ runs in how many of the 36 innings? Like 20?
     
  25. mauidano

    mauidano Mai Tais for everyone! SoSH Member

    Messages:
    26,515
  26. DeadlySplitter

    DeadlySplitter Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    13,997
    game 1: until top 7th, so 6 innings
    game 2: none
    game 3: starting in top 3rd, so 7 innings
    game 4: from top 3rd to bottom 9th, so let's call this 6 innings

    yeah, 19 innings more or less
     
  27. Beomoose

    Beomoose Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    15,636
    I'd still enjoy seeing 90s Rudy handed a shitty night.
     
  28. Gash Prex

    Gash Prex Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    1,520
    I’ll be honest, this is one of my favorite new gifs of Yankees fans

    [​IMG]

    Of course I’d we had lost, I’d still be avoiding all sports until the pats game - and wouldn’t watch another baseball game until March
     
  29. aksoxfan

    aksoxfan Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    4,875
    How can I email that to a huge fan?
     
  30. Gash Prex

    Gash Prex Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    1,520
    Just right click and copy and paste the link - I think save as would work as well.
     
  31. LogansDad

    LogansDad Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    15,582
    We would have missed you in the Game 5 thread.
     
  32. Ferm Sheller

    Ferm Sheller Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    7,565
    That gif is chocked effin full of yummy goodness, but the little shake that the guy in the front row at the far left makes as he steps away from drunk Schilling is legendary. How pumped was he just minutes before the big nut punch.
     
  33. BigSoxFan

    BigSoxFan Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    28,028
    Is there a way to get that on your phone?
     
  34. InsideTheParker

    InsideTheParker Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    22,750
    Re: Sabathia's whining about Hernandez, on mlbn they said he got 6+% pitches wrong, which is lower than the 8+% average. They still argued for Robo-Umps, saying it's unfair even to the umps to put them in a position where they are so easily second-guessed.
     
  35. dhappy42

    dhappy42 Member

    Messages:
    4,049
    Side question about robo-umps.

    The strike zone is a fixed 17-inches wide, but the top and bottom are determined by the batter’s stance. If robo-umps, Who adjusts the top and bottom of the strike zone?
     
    #4385 dhappy42, Oct 11, 2018
    Last edited: Oct 11, 2018
  36. Al Zarilla

    Al Zarilla Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    46,383
    Put a chip in every player’s chest and another one in his knee that’s closest to the pitcher. Switch hitters, one in each knee? No, but an automated statem could be developed that would scan each player real time to determine his individual strike zone.

    The Strike Zone: A historical timeline
    1996 - The Strike Zone is expanded on the lower end, moving from the top of the knees to the bottom of the knees.

    1988 - "The Strike Zone is that area over home plate the upper limit of which is a horizontal line at the midpoint between the top of the shoulders and the top of the uniform pants, and the lower level is a line at the top of the knees.

    It could get hilarious if Altuve were up and Aaron Judge’s numbers were stuck in the system. Ball goes by his nose: Strike! I’m sure there would be bugs in such a system early on, but they could try it in the minors, at spring training, etc. I don’t know if I’ll see it in my lifetime though.
     
  37. Al Zarilla

    Al Zarilla Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    46,383
    Speaking of funny ones, Harold Reynolds on MLBN was heaping praise on Cora about the fact that he and his coaches talk well in advance about less conventional moves, like bringing Sale in in relief on Tuesday night. Get buyin from the coaches and even the players in advance. He said it reminded him of what his brother, who played at Stanford in the Walsh era, told him. Walsh would also talk about scenarios, like on Wednesday for a Saturday game: if the situation comes up should we go for 2 or kick the field goal.:confused:
     
  38. Saints Rest

    Saints Rest Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    6,528
    "Situational Baseball" -- Bill Belichick would approve.
     
  39. Saints Rest

    Saints Rest Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    6,528
    Seems to me that all players would be measured officially during Spring Training and get entered into the system, thereby adjusting for both individual height differences and batting stance variances (although it seems like the hey-day of crazy batting stances ended sometime around when Rod Carew retired).
     
  40. DennyDoyle'sBoil

    DennyDoyle'sBoil Found no thrill on Blueberry Hill SoSH Member

    Messages:
    24,121
    I was travelling during the ALDS and so mostly had to listen to the games on internet radio. I'm just seeing a few highlights and stuff now.

    A small point about the 9th inning. Kimbrel threw a nasty pitch on 1-1 to Torres that he swung and missed on. It was paint on the outside corner. Torres then asks the ump whether it was a strike and apparently got the news that it was. You see this all the time. In this case I think it might have really made a difference. Torres swings at the next pitch, which is off the edge and he makes weak contact for the final out of the game. (Fortunately not quite weak enough to be a base hit.) You see it quite often that a player has to expand the strike zone with two strikes because of called strikes. But in this case he had to expand even due to a swinging strike because he made the decision to ask whether it was a strike.

    I've often wondered how rigorous umps are when players ask them whether balls that they swung at were strikes. I've always imagined it's harder to call because of the distraction of the swing and that umps anyway are probably inclined to tell batters it was a strike if it was close. In this case, Torres might have been better off not knowing.
     
  41. geoduck no quahog

    geoduck no quahog Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    9,970
    I'm under the impression that the "batting stance strike zone" is applied when the batter swings. In other words, you can crouch all you want, but unless you stay crouched during your swing, the zone remains generally normal.

    I've info'd this before, but a well-trained NCAA umpire once told me that they actually judge up and down by using the catcher's knees as the bottom of the zone and their own eye level at the top of the zone (they really have trouble judging the height of a ball as it crosses the plate)
     
  42. Madmartigan

    Madmartigan Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    4,396
    I imagine this is extremely difficult. It’s probably unfair to give umpires shit when they miss a call at the bottom of the zone; from their perspective they can't really have a good view of it and where it is in relation to the hitter’s knee. I think it might actually be easier to call a game from behind the mound like they do in little league sometimes.
     
  43. DennyDoyle'sBoil

    DennyDoyle'sBoil Found no thrill on Blueberry Hill SoSH Member

    Messages:
    24,121
    Do umpires always make a ball/strike decision when there's a swing? If it turns out to be a check, I guess they need to. But really once you see the batter fully commit I would think at that point it gets a little weird. I mean, you're there and you're locked in. It has to be much harder though. Kind of like how ball strike calls frequently get screwed up when a runner tries to advance and the catcher is out of his crouch as the pitch is being delivered. You see that one get missed all the time.

    By and large does the umpire usually make a call on a swing and miss if the batter doesn't ask? Some batters don't ask. And most don't ask on strike 3. Torres clearly asked though.
     

Share This Page