2017 Patriots FA & Trades Thread
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A lot of love for Berry here and I get that he is the shiny toy out there in free agency but isn't the book on Berry that he is a freelancer/risk taker at the S spot? With Collins is was supposedly a combo of his freelancing and not loving/committing to the game that soured the coaching staff on him. I think it's safe to say that Berry checks the commitment box but can people really see Bill, who hates giving up big plays more then anything, dropping a big contract on a guy with reputation for playing out of position and covering it up with pure athleticism? I think Berry is no doubt an exciting player to watch but seems like a stretch
Wow. Lots of people have me on ignore. Probably rightfully.
To be honest, I saw you do the roster list but didn't notice the hyperlink. Honestly almost asked how you did it so concisely, but just my bad on that.
What do you guys think about targeting Luke Wilson to replace Bennett? He's younger, has the talent to start if Gronk is out, and supposed to be a decent blocker.
Any idea what a 4 or 5 year deal would cost per year to get him here?
Any idea what a 4 or 5 year deal would cost per year to get him here?
What do you guys think about John Simon as a younger edge rusher with upside that might not cost a fortune to get here?
Bill likes his tight ends old school, not out of Old School.
Though I suppose if he can turn Popeye's staff into world beaters he can also recruit from Hollywood.
Can you even call it a resurgence? He flat wasn't good during his last stint. In fairness, BB has stated they weren't using him correctly, so it shouldn't be all that shocking - given his draft status - that he'd turn into a good player. But yeah, it's been a pleasant surprise.
would be fun to play with this to see how to get Cowboys and Jetsout of the cap mess ha
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If I'm baffled by Chung's transformation, I'm absolutely shocked by Cannon.
Couldn't figure out why he wasn't immediately blasted into space never to be seen again at the end of 2015.
Hard to believe he transformed into a top tackle from what he was, or what the fanbase thought he was.
Couldn't figure out why he wasn't immediately blasted into space never to be seen again at the end of 2015.
Hard to believe he transformed into a top tackle from what he was, or what the fanbase thought he was.
Forgive a dumb question, but... if we're losing the highest pick that we have in the 4th round, why wouldn't we just trade the Seattle 4th, for anything approaching equivalent value, and forfeit #128 instead?
Nothing dumb there, but with only a 6 pick difference between the two picks it probably wouldn't be worth the hassle.
This is a perfect illustration, to me, of the value of continuity and a robust middle class in your roster. There are a couple obvious steps to being a top franchise long term – draft well, find a franchise QB, don’t wreck your cap with high-priced FAs. But probably right after that, and spoken of much more rarely in the general football public, is to fill roster spots 15 to 45 with guys who fit your scheme, be patient and use them wisely. In an ideal world, you’re adding developmental players to the bottom half of your roster all the time with a plan for how they’ll fit in, and filling the gaps with reasonably priced, known-quantity vet FAs and UDFA types. If you look at the Pats’ roster over the last 3-4 years, they’ve put on a clinic in this regard. Having stability in the FO and coaching staff is a pre-requisite for this.
It also makes me think about how arbitrary success is for mid-level guys in the pro game. Get drafted by a lousy franchise, get used in the wrong way, get hurt or get cut, latch on with another team that doesn’t really get it… and boom, you’re in your late 20s, your body is a mess and you’re probably on your way out of the game. Guys with a high draft pedigree will get a few more shots (and, to be fair, a lot of recent BB reclamations are 1st or 2nd round guys who didn’t shine for their first team), and cream will rise to an extent, but you have to believe that, especially for certain positions, for every Malcolm Butler or Julian Edelman, there are probably a dozen guys working in car dealerships or coaching Pee Wee who would have at least had a few productive years if their first NFL team wasn’t the Browns or the Jags or whoever.
Because there is weird language about reducing the force of the punishment.
Also there technically is no "seattle pick" for us to trade as it doesn't officially exist. Our own 4th only exists because the Seattle one exists. It's like Schrodinger's cat for draft picks.
I thought the language of the punishment amounted to, 1) we take the highest pick you have in the round, and 2) you can't trade away or otherwise impair yourself to the point of having no pick in the round we're taking. So if we didn't have the Seattle pick, then it'd be the #128 that they'd take, right?
I mean, winning the super bowl and thus getting the last pick in every round "reduces the force of the punishment", I have to imagine it's fairly specific language. It's been a bit since I saw the actual decision, so if I'm missing some part of this I'd be interested to know. And yeah, I get the point that by round 4, a 6-pick difference doesn't matter too much, but I'm curious even if it's arcana.
I mean, winning the super bowl and thus getting the last pick in every round "reduces the force of the punishment", I have to imagine it's fairly specific language. It's been a bit since I saw the actual decision, so if I'm missing some part of this I'd be interested to know. And yeah, I get the point that by round 4, a 6-pick difference doesn't matter too much, but I'm curious even if it's arcana.
I wonder about this too, even thinking about players like Brady. He gets drafted by the Jets, Steelers, Saints, or whoever else picked QBs that year, how much of the Tom Brady level does he attain somewhere else?
Butler is a great example, he's one workout away from going from #1 CB and two-time Super Bowl champion to training D3 athletes in a gym in Alabama.
Football, more than maybe any of the other major sports, seems to require a great deal of luck to get the opportunity to show you have the skill
so not allowed to trade both our 2017 4th round picks for a 2018 3rd. Goodell/NFL seemed to have over thought this - just take away team's pick, and make BB use assets to get back into the round
They HAD to overthink it. When they robbed the franchise of a first round pick in 2008, the Patriots still had the 7th overall pick due to their trade with the 49ers.
Does anyone know if this "highest of the two picks" stipulation has been employed against other teams who have lost picks to penalty?
I get why they did it for the 1st round pick. Sure, the logic is dumb, but given that the purposes of Deflategate were to 1) satisfy various contingencies of idiots and non-thinkers and 2) rub the Patriots nose in dogshit for being too successful, having the Pats on TV making a first round pick didnt really make sense for the league. Given that no one gives a shit about the 4th round its sort of overkill.
Cannon was playing on one foot in the previous season. That's what was holding him back, not talent.
would've been easier if the 1st and 4th were taken away the same year too...they don't have to worry about different contingencies
anyhow, not trying to throw this thread off topic
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Source: the Patriots have re-signed FB Glenn Gronkowski. Double Gronk life continues in New England.
Source: the Patriots have re-signed FB Glenn Gronkowski. Double Gronk life continues in New England.
I'd seriously consider it. Dillon came to NE when he was 30 coming off a terrible season with Cincinnati after 6 1000 yard seasons. Peterson has had two terrible seasons in the last 3 years but one was for off field issues (Is this something the Pats would be comfortable with?) He would give the Patriots a bruising running back that can also catch the ball out of the backfield and might be motivated to want to win a title.
Dillon 6'1 225
Peterson 6'1 220
Didn't Dillon come with baggage? I would have to assume it depends on the severity of Peterson's transgressions.
There you go tims4wins, beats the shit out of his kids with sticks. Probably not coming to New England.
He hasn't been a factor in the passing game. He's not Blount level absent, but he's not really a dual threat back.
As always depends on cost, but pretty meh on Peterson given the whole package.
Probably not. But I didn't think it was likely they pick up Floyd either (not comparing their transgressions, just the likelihood of it happening)
Here are Peterson's stats in the passing game
2007 19 rec 268 yds 1 TD
2008 21 rec 125 yds
2009 43 rec 436 yds
2010 36 rec 341 yds 1 TD
2011 18 rec 139 yds 1 TD
2012 40 rec 217 yds 1 TD
2013 29 rec 171 yds 1 TD
2014 2 rec 18 yds (commissioner suspension)
2015 30 rec 222 yds
2016 3 rec 8 yds (hurt all season)
He is clearly a factor in the passing game if used properly and with a real QB throwing to him.
If he's kicking the piss out of his kids why would you expect his market value to be anything other than zero? I mean there was a fairly prominent, recent court case that sprung up over this very issue.
edit - directed at pappymojo.
edit - directed at pappymojo.
If the Pats signed him the base salary would be low with incentives on yards, carries, TD's, etc bringing that money upwards.
You guys can't be serious.
Peterson sucked this year following his injury. He's toast.
37 attempts for 72 yards? For a 32-year old (when the season starts) back coming off of a serious injury? Hard pass. He has benched-by-mid-season written all over him.
Dillon was healthier and about 2 years younger. By the time Dillon was AP's age, he was sharing carries with Maroney and on his way out the door.
If Peterson was a good bet to be half-decent, there's no way the Vikings let him go, they've already borne the troubles of his off-field issues and they have an excellent chance for an NFC run next year. The fact that they have 0 interest speaks volumes.
Peterson sucked this year following his injury. He's toast.
37 attempts for 72 yards? For a 32-year old (when the season starts) back coming off of a serious injury? Hard pass. He has benched-by-mid-season written all over him.
Dillon was healthier and about 2 years younger. By the time Dillon was AP's age, he was sharing carries with Maroney and on his way out the door.
If Peterson was a good bet to be half-decent, there's no way the Vikings let him go, they've already borne the troubles of his off-field issues and they have an excellent chance for an NFC run next year. The fact that they have 0 interest speaks volumes.
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The incident happened in 2014. He got injured early in the season this past year and even before he got hurt, the Vikings offensive line was pretty terrible. I think the injury concerns and his declining production will drive his salary more than the child abuse history.
With all that being said, I don't know how much he will make, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least if he gets a three year deal in the range of $12 million per year. At that price, I think I would want the Patriots to shop elsewhere.
Reception rank among RBs/YPC rank among RBs
2015: 34th/27th
2013: 33rd/30th (if he caught enough balls to qualify)
2012: 15th/25th
2011: 48th/16th (if he caught enough balls to qualify)
So he hasnt been much of a factor in the passing game. '09-'10 he'll look OK in YPC but still didnt catch the ball much.
The Patriots will be shopping elsewhere because of history, period.
For the many reasons you, and others have mentioned, I'd be surprised if his contract ceiling isn't some veteran minimum invite if he's not out of the league all together. We're discussing one of the more fungible positions in the league for a player that's approaching his eleventh professional year. Three years at 12 million per isn't happening.
If the price is low enough on a one-year make-good deal, I'd be happy to try him out. With his legs at 80% or better, Peterson's field vision and cutting are world-class. I agree there is no way he gets an 8-figure deal; probably not even 8 figures of guarantees.
His off-field issues bother me far less than other players for whom that's a concern. There are cultures within the US where his behavior is absolutely the norm and acceptable - and not, like, cults, I'm talking about a majority or near-majority of the population in some areas. ~20 states allow teachers to do spanking in school (with parents' permission), though obviously not to Peterson's degree. I'm a parent and wouldn't discipline my kids that way, but he did it out of love not psychopathy, he pled no contest and did his community service, and has expressed remorse and says he wouldn't do it again. I have way more emotional willingness to say he's learned his lesson than I do for, say, wife-beaters. This isn't Ray Rice, much less the Eagles running Michael Vick out there for 5 years.
His off-field issues bother me far less than other players for whom that's a concern. There are cultures within the US where his behavior is absolutely the norm and acceptable - and not, like, cults, I'm talking about a majority or near-majority of the population in some areas. ~20 states allow teachers to do spanking in school (with parents' permission), though obviously not to Peterson's degree. I'm a parent and wouldn't discipline my kids that way, but he did it out of love not psychopathy, he pled no contest and did his community service, and has expressed remorse and says he wouldn't do it again. I have way more emotional willingness to say he's learned his lesson than I do for, say, wife-beaters. This isn't Ray Rice, much less the Eagles running Michael Vick out there for 5 years.
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I'm sure they'd be very interested in your recommendation.
I'm sure there's a way to finagle the secretary to New England's Director of Player of Pro Personnel office number out there somewhere on the internets. Why don't you spend the rest of the day doing that, instead of gumming up the works here.
I'm sure they'd be very interested in your recommendation.
Petersen was prosecuted for hitting his kids with a stick in a state where spanking is pretty commonplace as a form of child discipline, which I think points to the fact that he probably crossed a line that even people who think spanking is ok normally don't cross.
I'm all for second chances but this isn't just a case of different norms in different areas of the country.
Anyway he's probably toast now anyway so I'd rather they look elsewhere for RB options.
I'm all for second chances but this isn't just a case of different norms in different areas of the country.
Anyway he's probably toast now anyway so I'd rather they look elsewhere for RB options.