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EDITED on 3/15/17, post Hightower signing.
EDITED on 6/21/17, post Harris signing. Changes/updates in RED


We have threads on Free Agency and on the Draft, but both of those are really dependent on how one feels about the state of the depth chart, so here goes.

Number in parentheses is how we spent the majority of 2016.
Current refers to players who are under Patriot control for 2017.
Names in italics are PS/Futures.
Names underlined are guys who ended on IR.

QB: (3)
Current: Brady, Garoppolo, Brissett
All three are under contract, but has been discussed thoroughly, Garoppolo might be traded. I am guessing that if JG is traded, the Pats sign a veteran FA, rather than drafting another developmental guy. No changes here since end of season although there has been a LOT of speculation about JG -- Should he stay or should he go now???

RB: (5)
Current: Gillislee, White, Lewis, Develin, Burkhead, Bolden, Foster, Baby Gronk
LGBT, Bolden, and Develin are FAs. I think all three will be re-signed, with Bolden the least likely and Develin the most likely. Develin re-signed, Burkhead added from Cinci. The latter seems to put one if not both, of LGBT and Bolden in jeopardy. Gillislee added. White extended. Gaffney cut. Bolden re-signed. LGBT gone. Even recognizing that Bolden is mostly a ST guy, I'm not sure we see 6 RBs on the final 53 when the KC game happens. Reports are that Lewis is looking like he has his early 2015 burst back. Not sure what gives here.

WR: (6)
Current: Edelman, Hogan, Amendola, Mitchell, Slater, Cooks, Lucien. Hollister, Carr, White.
Floyd is a FA; Amendola has a high cap hit. I think one of those two makes it to 2017 (DA only in a restructure). I think a veteran FA is signed and a mid-round pick is used to create some competition.
Adding Cooks was unexpected by most, I think. His addition likely spells the end for Floyd and/or Amendola. The first 6 names seem to be locks, barring injury so presumably everyone else (besides Hawkins) is just looking at PS spots. Removed Hawkins name due to his retirement.

TE: (3)
Current: Gronk, Allen, Lengel. Hollister, Cotton, O'Shaughnessy.
Bennett is a FA. Maybe he gets resigned, maybe he signs big money elsewhere. Either way, I would expect a drat pick (or two) utilized here to bolster depth. I'm not sure Lengel projects even to Hooman levels. Bennet is gone (Green Bay) and Allen is signed. I think we still likely see a draft pick added here, but they could sit tight. I think the last 4 names are fighting to be the 3rd TE and for PS spots.

OL: (9)
Current: Solder, Thuney, Andrews, Mason, Cannon, Karras, Waddle, Fleming, Garcia, McDermott, King, Ferentz, Barker, Farris, Douglas.
I think (?) that Fleming is a FA. Pretty much everyone is slated to return. I bet we see a late round flyer taken on someone, or if an OT falls unexpectedly in the early rounds. Vollmer has been cut, but he could re-appear, especially as a late training camp addition. Auf Wiedersehen SeaBass. Goodbye, Jackson. Fleming is back. Andrews signs an extension. Some new draftees (Garcia and McDermott). It will be interesting to see what Dante can do here as there seem to be some openings for second teasers, while i expect the starting five from Super Bowl LI will be back unless there is an injury.

DL: (7)
Current: Branch, Valentine, Brown, Flowers, Grissom, Ealy, Guy, Hamilton, Kligo, Wise, Rivers, Augusta, Butler.
Long, Branch, and Sheard are all FAs. I expect to see two of those three re-signed. (I bet Sheard goes elsewhere). I also expect both high draft picks and FA signings here. Sheard is gone (Indy) and Long is likely gone, but Branch has re-signed to join the two new pickups in Early and Guy. Seems like this group is pretty well set. Maybe we see a UDFA or very late pick brought in for development/depth. Long is indeed gone. Two new draft picks (Rivers and Wise) and some UDFAs (Augusta, Butler). Removed Nink's name due to his retirement.

LB: (6)
Current: Hightower, Harris, Roberts, McClellin, Van Noy, Bates. Freeny, Ellis, Langi,
Donta is the big name FA here. I'd give him about a 50/50 to resign. I also think that Nink, while under contract, might be a cut. In any case, they will need some additional bodies here, and at least one high-level one, be that Donte or someone else. Donta re-signed is the big move here, thought I would not be at all surprised to see Nink cut. Mingo is also gone to join Sheard in Indy. I still think we see another body or two added here, probably in a mid-round draft pick. Hightower and Harris sure seem like a solid 1-2 in the middle, with Roberts and Mcclellan providing solid depth, assuming Harris still has something left in the tank. Can Roberts make the big second-year leap? Langi certainly looks to be in the mix base don some early talk out of camp, plus his high signing bonus (for a UDFA). I wonder if the combo of Nink's retiring and Harris' signing will yield more time with DHT rushing form the edge (like he's ever contributed from that role!).

CB: (6)
Current: Butler, Gilmore, Rowe, C Jones, J Jones, Coleman, Likely, Moore, Thomas.
Butler is a RFA, so he could almost be in the above list. Assuming he's kept. Ryan is an interesting case. With all the money afloat, he could easily see a big deal coming his way from elsewhere. But he's a pretty key player for the Pats, mainly because he is so good against the run, and in tackling in general. I think the Pats need to sign at least one starter-quality player after Butler, and I would rather it be someone who knows the system and vice versa. But I'm not sure if the Pats have any faith in the Brothers Jones (NB: Not really brothers) or Coleman, so I expect some draft capital expended here. That said, I do think J Jones is a lock for his excellence on ST. Gilmore was another unexpected surprise to find under the FA Christmas tree. The Butler saga continues in a push to occupy more bandwidth this off-season than JG. Happy to be able to officially add Butler back to the list of signees. J Jones is getting some good buzz out of OTAs as a cover guy, as is Rowe in a slot role. C Jones continues to be butter-fingers meaning we likely need to find a PR.

S: (6)
Current: DMC, Chung, King, Richards, Ebner, Harmon. D Jones, Thompson, Killings, Travis.
I'd give Harmon about a 30% chance of re-signing. As with Ryan, his role is critical, and I would prefer it filled by someone who knows the system. But I think he will get starter money elsewhere and the Pats probably figure they can groom someone into that position, be that a FA or a draft pick. Count me surprised to see Harmon re-signed, not because of a lack of value, but because I felt sure someone would pay him more than the Pats. I think this group is likely set for 2018. Some UDFA's added here, but no one seems to be making any waves.

Specialists: (3)
Current: Ghost, Allen, Cardona.
I do expect to see a K brought into camp to compete with Ghost. His dead money cap hit if cut before June 1 is too high otherwise. No changes here. Not surprising.
 
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We have threads on Free Agency and on the Draft, but both of those are really dependent on how one feels about the state of the depth chart, so here goes.

Number in parentheses is how we spent the majority of 2016.
Current refers to players who are under Patriot control for 2017.
Names in italics are PS/Futures.

QB: (3)
Current: Brady, Garoppolo, Brissett
All three are under contract, but has been discussed thoroughly, Garoppolo might be traded. I am guessing that if JG is traded, the Pats sign a veteran FA, rather than drafting another developmental guy.
Depends a lot on Brissett and who is avail. They grade QBs differently than most. So if they find themselves in round 3 with their top QB prospect on the board, they probably draft him. Unless they think Brissett is their game ready #2 going forward. In that case, they may not draft or sign anyone.

If they feel ok with Brissett as the 2, unless they are able to draft someone they love, I don't see them wasting cap room on an emergency #3 starter. They'll probably make Edelman that guy and only sign a 3rd one if Brady goes down
 

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OL: (9)
Current: Solder, Thuney, Andrews, Mason, Cannon, Karras, Waddle, Barker, Farris, Douglas.
I think (?) that Fleming is a FA. Pretty much everyone is slated to return. I bet we see a late round flyer taken on someone, or if an OT falls unexpectedly in the early rounds.
What happened to Tre Jackson?
 

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My bad. I totally forgot about IR guys. I'll update the OP.
Amazing to realize how little the Pats had injury wise. Gronk and Vollmer are the big names on there. But otherwise not too much lost. Gronk, Vollmer, Jackson, and Freeny are all under contract for 2017. I'm not sure what the deal is with some of the lesser names.

If Vollmer can return to good health, he would be a big upgrade as the #3 tackle as he has proven the ability to play both LT and RT. His salary is pretty reasonable for 2017 at $2,225,000
 

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I read they did sign Baby Gronk.

Amazing to realize how little the Pats had injury wise. Gronk and Vollmer are the big names on there. But otherwise not too much lost. Gronk, Vollmer, Jackson, and Freeny are all under contract for 2017. I'm not sure what the deal is with some of the lesser names.

If Vollmer can return to good health, he would be a big upgrade as the #3 tackle as he has proven the ability to play both LT and RT. His salary is pretty reasonable for 2017 at $2,225,000


Yeah, I know they changed some of their conditioning and injury prevention approach last offseason, but probably due for some regression in '17 just from worse health. Gronk was a big loss, obviously, but the Pats were real healthy this year. When they arent ravaged by injury they tend to win the Super Bowl.
 

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From a developmental perspective, the three names I'm most curious about on that list are: DJ Foster, Cyrus Jones, and Jordan Richards

One of Foster and Jones needs to step up as a KR/PR... Edelman and Amendola need to be retired.

Hopefully its Jones, since he had some success in that role at AL. Jones acknowledged on his social media page that he disappointed and embarrassed himself through his individual performance... since DB is a position that uniquely relies on confidence, let's hope he works hard this offseason to put himself in position to contribute on S/T and as a nickel/dime.

Foster's skill set is a great fit in McDaniel's system..I think he's got a future as a contributor in the passing game, with the ability to cause same sort of match up problems that Lewis and White create. Assuming the Pats resign LGBT or pick up another short yardage back, its tough to see him getting on the field unless there's an injury.

Richards needs to take a step forward this year. His play in S/T was impressive at times, and he should be read to play that Patrick Chung type of role when called upon.
 

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One BB maxim is that a player makes the largest jump between his first year and second year. With that in mind, here's a review of last year's draft, relative to those who are still on the team at some level:
  • Cyrus Jones. CB. The Pats highest draft pick a year ago did not do a lot of positive things to endear himself to Pats fans. Maybe an off-season of holding a ball everywhere he goes will help. But he also made a lot of mental errors, maybe from trying too hard to offset his fumblitis.
  • Joe Thuney, LG. a 16 game starter as a rookie is certainly a nice starting point for 2nd-year improvement. But he was not without fault. Hopefully Scar is around for another year as I'm sure Thuney could be helped by another year of mentoring.
  • Jacoby Brissett. QB. The first rookie QB starter for NE since Bledsoe. I think his 2nd year improvement could be huge. Let's hope we never need to find out.
  • Vincent Valentine. DL. Established himself as a pretty useful rotation guy. If Branch goes elsewhere, he may be asked to step up his game.
  • Malcolm Mitchell. WR. The best rookie WR in the BB/TB era since David Givens? Does anyone else remember how ugly his pre-season elbow injury looked. Pretty impressive coming back from that to contribute the way he did. I think we could see big things out of him next year.
  • Elandon Roberts. LB. Seemed to have a huge variance in his play. Can he raise the lows to be a more consistent player? If the Pats don't re-sign Donte, he may need to fill a much larger role in 2017.
  • Ted Karras. OL. A lot of time on the active roster but not much time on the field. Hard to gauge what we might have here.
  • Devin Lucien. WR. Never heard much about him. I tend to doubt he ever makes it off the PS.
 

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I edited the OP to reflect the changes over the last few weeks. Other than CB, pending Butler's ultimate landing spot, it sure seems as though the Pats can draft BPA pretty much every pick. Their depth entering camp also seems to allow for the drafting of some projects -- be they due to inexperience or health.
 

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Another way to look at the changes:
QB: (3)
No change from the end of 2016.

RB: (5)
+ Burkhead, Gillislee
- LGBT, Bolden
Maybe a net negative, maybe positive, but hard to gauge. I'm now leaning net positive with Gillislee in the fold.

WR: (6)
+ Cooks
- Floyd
Definitely a BIG net positive.

TE: (3)
+ Allen
- Bennett
Probably a net negative.

OL: (9)
- Vollmer
No change from the end of 2016 really as Vollmer never played a single snap last year.

DL: (7)
+ Ealy, Guy,
- Sheard, Long, Nink
Pretty likely to be a big net positive, especially with Nink now gone, unless one of the new guys shines with more playing time.

LB: (6)
- Mingo
More of a net negative for ST impact rather than actual defensive contributions.

CB: (6)
+ Gilmore
- Ryan
A Net positive for sure.

S: (6)
No change from the end of 2016

Specialists: (3)
No change from the end of 2016

EDIT: Added Long to the DL minus list as Lose noted.

EDIT -- 7/31, post Nink retirement to make a few other updates.
 
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Great work in this thread Saints Rest. This roster is just stacked. I can't remember an off-season when the roster was so solidified, with so few glaring needs at this stage. We'll still obviously look to add better depth and competition in FA and the draft.

I think the biggest "needs" at this point are the following:

RB - While Burkhead may carry part of the load, he isn't a like-for-like Blount replacement. I think we still add an RB, probably one on the larger side that can carry the ball between the tackles and will be useful in short yardage situations.

EDGE - We are still a little thin here, with not much beyond Flowers, Ealy, and Nink in terms of pass rushers. Grissom hasn't shown that he is much more than a ST guy and emergency backup. Guy is more of a 3-4 DE or interior player. I would like to see us look at this position with one of the 3rd rounders in the draft and maybe also bring in an established NFL player for camp competition too.

OL - The depth in this unit seems a bit shaky, although its hard to tell what the coaching staff thinks of some of these guys who have never seen much time. In any case, I'd like to see us bring in some competition, especially in the draft, to see if we can't improve over guys like Waddle, Karras, Jackson, etc.

S - McCourty and Chung are both about to hit 30 and I haven't seen anything from the ST-focused trio of Richards, King, and Ebner to suggest that any of them are candidates to eventually become critical defensive cogs. So I'd like to see us add a safety with a little bit more upside as a defensive player to replace one of Richards, King, or Ebner.
 

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MMS:

Couldn't the 'physical running back' role be taken up by Develin with a bit more distribution between him, Burkhead, and Lewis? If so, they could just go with 'best running back available' as they want.

Otherwise, I agree - I also expect another TE taken.
 

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Couldn't the 'physical running back' role be taken up by Develin with a bit more distribution between him, Burkhead, and Lewis? If so, they could just go with 'best running back available' as they want.
This is where I suspect they're going - they may have determined that having a traditional "goal line" style RB is a waste of a roster spot when you can use one of the other RB (or Develin) depending on the situation, especially given that, from all accounts, Burkhead is very solid in short yardage situations despite not being a traditional LGBT/Eddie Lacy type.
 

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EDGE - We are still a little thin here, with not much beyond Flowers, Ealy, and Nink in terms of pass rushers. Grissom hasn't shown that he is much more than a ST guy and emergency backup. Guy is more of a 3-4 DE or interior player. I would like to see us look at this position with one of the 3rd rounders in the draft and maybe also bring in an established NFL player for camp competition too.
Would Connor Barwin be a fit?
 

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Couldn't the 'physical running back' role be taken up by Develin with a bit more distribution between him, Burkhead, and Lewis? If so, they could just go with 'best running back available' as they want.
Develin only has 7 career carries - and none since 2014. I don't think this is a realistic option.

This is where I suspect they're going - they may have determined that having a traditional "goal line" style RB is a waste of a roster spot when you can use one of the other RB (or Develin) depending on the situation, especially given that, from all accounts, Burkhead is very solid in short yardage situations despite not being a traditional LGBT/Eddie Lacy type.
If it was just about goal line, I agree you could skate by. But I think having a hammer like Blount is valuable. Some teams have good pass defenses and terrible run defenses, like the Colts in '14-'15. Sometimes weather or other circumstances (like Jacoby Brissett having to start a game) mean you want a run-heavy approach. And if you get a two-three score lead, you want to be able to salt the game away with a power run game. Blount was a test of the other team's will at times last year - does the 190-pound defensive back really want to tackle a 250-pound RB with a head of steam? The Patriots like to have a lot of different ways to beat you so they can gameplan, and not having a power back would take away one of the ways they like to play, in gameplan strategy and in situational strategy.

That said, I could definitely see that power back role being scaled back in 2017, from the 18-19 carries per game Blount got in 2016 to 12-13 or something. I don't think they'll dial it down to like just a handful of plays on a consistent basis (though we might see that occasionally based on game plan).
 

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I guess the question is whether you need a traditional "power back" to execute a "power run game" scheme. If Burkhead is good enough in short- and medium-yard situations to be the primary back for run-heavy situations, that would seem to make Blount expendable.

(I should note I haven't seen nearly enough of Burkhead to know whether or not he really can handle that responsibility - just thinking, given the relatively big contract the Patriots gave him, that they may think he can. Of course, that wouldn't stop them drafting a bigger RB in the lower rounds (or signing a very cheap veteran) and sorting it out during training camp.)
 

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I guess the question is whether you need a traditional "power back" to execute a "power run game" scheme. If Burkhead is good enough in short- and medium-yard situations to be the primary back for run-heavy situations, that would seem to make Blount expendable.
I think it depends. I think to some extent you're running because you like the OL / DL matchup, and to some extent because you like the RB / would-be tackler matchup. The physicality of the back adds another dimension there. Last year they had a lot of success running outside with Blount, crackblocking with the WR on LB / S and making cornerbacks have to (try to) tackle Blount. LGBT is pretty uniquely terrifying in that regard.

(I should note I haven't seen nearly enough of Burkhead to know whether or not he really can handle that responsibility - just thinking, given the relatively big contract the Patriots gave him, that they may think he can. Of course, that wouldn't stop them drafting a bigger RB in the lower rounds (or signing a very cheap veteran) and sorting it out during training camp.)
No one they have on the roster is going to prevent anything they might do in the draft. Burkhead's deal is one year, and White and Lewis' contracts are also up after the season. The only RB signed through 2018 is D.J. Foster.
 

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I know they cant count on Lewis being healthy....but if Lewis is the guy we saw in 2015 he should be getting the early down work rather than a traditional "power back"
 

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I know they cant count on Lewis being healthy....but if Lewis is the guy we saw in 2015 he should be getting the early down work rather than a traditional "power back"
I don't think it's a case where the same thing happens game to game with any regularity. Lewis getting early down work was the game plan in Denver this year with success. The next game might be a Rex + Develin game or a game with White in a spread hurry up. I just don't think there will be regular carries for anyone and have no issue with that in the name of great game plans.
 

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Lewis didnt have quite the same quickness this year and. If he's back to where he was in 2015 in the 2nd year after his ACL injury, its going to be counterproductive to scale back his work outside of workload/injury protection. Obviously a huge if.
 

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Another way to look at the changes:
QB: (3)
No change from the end of 2016.

RB: (5)
+ Burkhead
- LGBT, Bolden
Maybe a net negative, maybe positive, but hard to gauge.

WR: (6)
+ Cooks
- Floyd
Definitely a BIG net positive.

TE: (3)
+ Allen
- Bennett
Probably a net negative.

OL: (9)
- Vollmer
No change from the end of 2016 really as Vollmer never played a single snap last year.

DL: (7)
+ Ealy, Guy,
- Sheard, Long
Pretty likely to be a bug net positive.

LB: (6)
- Mingo
More of a net negative for ST impact rather than actual defensive contributions.

CB: (6)
+ Gilmore
- Ryan
A Net positive for now, until we know how the Butler situation resolves.

S: (6)
No change from the end of 2016

Specialists: (3)
No change from the end of 2016

EDIT: Added Long to the DL minus list as Lose noted.
If you're comparing the 2017 team to the roster at the end of 2016, you've also got + Gronkowski at TE. So that position is way ahead of where it was most weeks last year.
 

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Lewis didnt have quite the same quickness this year and. If he's back to where he was in 2015 in the 2nd year after his ACL injury, its going to be counterproductive to scale back his work outside of workload/injury protection. Obviously a huge if.
Interestingly, the closest he's gotten to feature back usage was down the stretch this year. He set a career high for carries and yards in 2016, believe it or not. He had all of two career games with double-digit carries entering this season, but from Week 14 on he carried18 (@DEN), 16 (NYJ), 11 (@MIA), 13 (HOU playoff game) times. (Before that, he had 12 carries in a Week 17 game for the Eagles back in 2012, and he had 15 in Week 1 of 2015 when Blount was suspended.) So maybe they do think he can be a feature guy. Then again, Blount got the rock against Pittsburgh (16 carries) and Atlanta (11). Was Blount dinged up / worn down and they were giving him a blow by riding Lewis? Was it matchup related? Were they scared off by Lewis' fumbles vs Houston and went back to Blount? Were they testing Lewis to help plan their offseason? I have no idea. He could be their feature back in 2017, but at the same time he might not even be a lock to make the roster.
 

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The phrase "power back" can mean two distinct things:
1) The Clock Killin Corey Dillon that we all know and love, game is over 5 minutes into the 3rd quarter but you need to, well, kill the clock. Of course, this situation rarely happens.
2) The Important Down and Game Clock Time and you Need 1 Yard, which is not at all equivalent to scenario #1. By far, the best all time for the Pats in this situation has been... Tom Brady, with the QB sneak.

My point is, there are power backs and there are people who can get you 1.25 yards when you need 1.0, and those aren't the same thing. But, I think when we say we want #1 what we actually want is #2. If Burkhead (or White, as he showed on one play in OT of SB51) are of the #2 type, I don't think we need a #1 type.
 

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Forgetting whether it's the right move or not, how do people think Adrian Peterson would do in this offense?
 

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2) The Important Down and Game Clock Time and you Need 1 Yard, which is not at all equivalent to scenario #1. By far, the best all time for the Pats in this situation has been... Tom Brady, with the QB sneak.
I guess I'm going to have to concede that's affirmed, but the Pats did have the most famous one-yard runner in football history...

 

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Interestingly, the closest he's gotten to feature back usage was down the stretch this year. He set a career high for carries and yards in 2016, believe it or not. He had all of two career games with double-digit carries entering this season, but from Week 14 on he carried18 (@DEN), 16 (NYJ), 11 (@MIA), 13 (HOU playoff game) times. (Before that, he had 12 carries in a Week 17 game for the Eagles back in 2012, and he had 15 in Week 1 of 2015 when Blount was suspended.) So maybe they do think he can be a feature guy. Then again, Blount got the rock against Pittsburgh (16 carries) and Atlanta (11). Was Blount dinged up / worn down and they were giving him a blow by riding Lewis? Was it matchup related? Were they scared off by Lewis' fumbles vs Houston and went back to Blount? Were they testing Lewis to help plan their offseason? I have no idea. He could be their feature back in 2017, but at the same time he might not even be a lock to make the roster.
At the same time he was much less of a factor in the passing game.

So, Im with you, no idea
 

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At the same time he was much less of a factor in the passing game.

So, Im with you, no idea
I think Belichick distinguishes Lewis' role from White's. From when White was drafted:

Q: Are there certain routes that White runs that are similar to what maybe Danny Woodhead and Kevin Faulk ran in the past?

BB: Well, I'd say more similarities with Kevin and Shane [Vereen]. Danny was really more of a runner. Not that he didn't catch some passes, but I'd say his pass catching was more screens and checkdowns as opposed to elusive-type routes. Smaller guys that maybe play a little bigger than their size in space – that's common.
And he has recently lumped Lewis in with Woodhead and White in with Vereen / Faulk (/ Meggett). They seemed to use Lewis in more of a pass-catching role early in 2015, but White kind of Wally Pipp'd him there. Not sure whether that was trust / familiarity, route-running, blitz pickup / protection, or just "if it ain't broke."

Burkhead, I would think, would be more of a Lewis / Woodhead tape - a runner first who can also catch passes. Having two guys like that might mean they want to move to that kind of mentality on early downs rather than a pure runner like Blount (/ Ridley / BJGE / Dillon / Antowain Smith). Or maybe Blount's going to sign next week or they draft Samaje Perine and this speculation looks silly.
 

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Wonder if it is more about giving him a chance to land elsewhere before OTAs, given timing.
 

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Does anyone else (besides me) think that Edelman might be the "key veteran" who gets cut or traded this year before Opening Day? According to patscap.com, there would be a $4.5M savings if cut or traded before 6/2/17 or a $3.75M savings if that cut/trade happened after 6/2. Considering 2017 is the last year of his contract, there is no dead money into 2018 in either case.

Could Cooks be expected to take Edelman's space?

Could such a move be partially the reason for keeping Amendola around, presumably post-restructuring?

What could Edelman bring back in a trade?
 

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Eh with their cap space and ability to move on next year, I think he is back for 2017. He wasn't quite as awesome this year but he did have surgery last year. There is a chance he is better in 2017 than 2016. Plus Brady absolutely loves him, he is as tough a competitor as there is, takes his craft extremely seriously... he's a perfect Patriot.
 

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Fair points all. But ones that I think could have been said for any of the three whose departures probably were the most shocking to Pats fans: Milloy, Seymour, and Mankins. We know that Bill is not amiss to setting someone loose early. And I think I would re-word my prior post, to be TRADE, not CUT, as I don't see them cutting JE for cap savings only. But if JE could bring back some decent picks (and I have no idea what the comps for someone like JE would be)?
 

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Does anyone else (besides me) think that Edelman might be the "key veteran" who gets cut or traded this year before Opening Day? According to patscap.com, there would be a $4.5M savings if cut or traded before 6/2/17 or a $3.75M savings if that cut/trade happened after 6/2. Considering 2017 is the last year of his contract, there is no dead money into 2018 in either case.

Could Cooks be expected to take Edelman's space?

Could such a move be partially the reason for keeping Amendola around, presumably post-restructuring?

What could Edelman bring back in a trade?
No. He is the biggest key to this offense, has great rapport with Brady, and is regarded as a team leader. Sure, the same things could have been said about Wes Welker and Bill let him walk out the door. However, he wasn't cut or traded and the same thing with Edelman. I can't envision a scenario in which Edelman is willingly let go while under contract.
 

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Fair points all. But ones that I think could have been said for any of the three whose departures probably were the most shocking to Pats fans: Milloy, Seymour, and Mankins. We know that Bill is not amiss to setting someone loose early. And I think I would re-word my prior post, to be TRADE, not CUT, as I don't see them cutting JE for cap savings only. But if JE could bring back some decent picks (and I have no idea what the comps for someone like JE would be)?
I highly doubt he would return much in draft pick value. His foray into FA a couple years ago kind of showed the league sees him at least somewhat a product of the system, he's getting older and with only one year left, has little control. He's had injuries and WRs don't fetch much when they hit his age. I'd be surprised if they could get more than a fourth for him. Not to mention the points made by those before me.
 

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I highly doubt he would return much in draft pick value. His foray into FA a couple years ago kind of showed the league sees him at least somewhat a product of the system, he's getting older and with only one year left, has little control. He's had injuries and WRs don't fetch much when they hit his age. I'd be surprised if they could get more than a fourth for him. Not to mention the points made by those before me.
Agree with this. BB got rid of those other guys when their contracts or future demands exceeded their level of play. Edelman, with a $4.5M savings, does not fall into that category. I bet he retires as a Pat, and only plays another 2-3 years. I see him on something like a 2 year / $15M contract after this year.