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bosox79 said:
So is it a given they take Ball at 2? If they are willing to trade down to 5, they must not want Ball that much.
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Russell was traded for Ball to be drafted.....but not at the expense of losing out on George this week. Let's not overthink this....once the lottery was in place D'Angelo had one foot out the door and even if a deal was made Russell wasn't Magic's guy and he wants to put his stamp on these Lakers as HIS team.....Randle and Clarkson are next to go. Russell's value wasn't as low as an expiring contract and a low 1st round pick.....the Lakers had to give up more value on the floor for the Nets to be stuck with Mozgov's deal so they could open up cap space to pursue LeBron next summer after they trade for George this week or to move Deng while going after both George and LeBron next summer.

The desire to trade down to 5 and 10 was to be able to include one of these picks in a deal right now for George while still retaining a lottery pick this year. It really was that simple. I can't believe Sacramento would pass on that deal.
 
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Then why are you reading this thread and bothering to post? Delusions of moral superiority or abject boredom??
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Oh, complete boredom. Definitely.

I find the team/path building very interesting and entertaining. But all the speculation and everyone's trade scenarios are a little much.

Take my clipps for instance, no assets or leverage yet ESPN drops a meaningless story about them shopping DJ. Even though the article states they were basically laughed at. It's a non-story just to add to the frenzy
 
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HomeRunBaker said:
Russell was traded for Ball to be drafted.....but not at the expense of losing out on George this week. Let's not overthink this....once the lottery was in place D'Angelo had one foot out the door and even if a deal was made Russell wasn't Magic's guy and he wants to put his stamp on these Lakers as HIS team.....Randle and Clarkson are next to go. Russell's value wasn't as low as an expiring contract and a low 1st round pick.....the Lakers had to give up more value on the floor for the Nets to be stuck with Mozgov's deal so they could open up cap space to pursue LeBron next summer after they trade for George this week or to move Deng while going after both George and LeBron next summer.

The desire to trade down to 5 and 10 was to be able to include one of these picks in a deal right now for George while still retaining a lottery pick this year. It really was that simple. I can't believe Sacramento would pass on that deal.
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I'm not that shocked and I never thought the Celtics would be able (nor did I think they should try) to do 3 for 5/10. Sacramento needs multiple players and they can use as many lottery picks as they can get, imo. Nothing coming from either of those trades was turning their franchise around. The only thing I can't believe is it seems they may be smartening up a bit. They can sit where they are, draft some solid guys and listen on other proposals if someone tumbles. I think that's the right move for them, but reasonable minds can differ.
 
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DisgruntledSoxFan77 said:
I thought he was referring to this past season as it was in reference to the dominance of the Warriors he was responding, hence my thinking he made a mistake and meant the Bulls. Piss off with the snark.
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He was talking about this year, and the Wizards, who used to be called the Bullets.
 
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HomeRunBaker said:
Russell was traded for Ball to be drafted.....but not at the expense of losing out on George this week. Let's not overthink this....once the lottery was in place D'Angelo had one foot out the door and even if a deal was made Russell wasn't Magic's guy and he wants to put his stamp on these Lakers as HIS team.....Randle and Clarkson are next to go. Russell's value wasn't as low as an expiring contract and a low 1st round pick.....the Lakers had to give up more value on the floor for the Nets to be stuck with Mozgov's deal so they could open up cap space to pursue LeBron next summer after they trade for George this week or to move Deng while going after both George and LeBron next summer.

The desire to trade down to 5 and 10 was to be able to include one of these picks in a deal right now for George while still retaining a lottery pick this year. It really was that simple. I can't believe Sacramento would pass on that deal.
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Sacramento is smart for once. They need talent, and there is a good possibility that they can get a better PG at 5 than Ball.
 
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Okay, it's almost 10 am on the east coast, let's get today's rumors flying, I'm bored here.
 
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With all these trade rumors, I still wonder why Danny had to pull the trigger on the trade so early. Doubtful that Philly would've traded the #3 pick for a veteran player. If he waited it out, Philly might have dropped the protections.
 
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I think that he was afraid that the sixers would realize that Ball might fall to them with the third pick. If that happened, the Sixers might void the deal and then any secondary deals that Ainge sets up with the pick he gets in this deal would fall apart. This is less likely since the Lakers-Nets trade, but was a real possibility then.
 
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As a fan I actually don't really like the endless speculation because that is all that it is...speculation. While actual trades and moves are fine, the two biggest stories today are LA possibly getting LeBron in 2018 and the Knicks listening to trade offers to Porzingis, two things that are unlikely to happen. If you are the Knicks OF COURSE you are going to listen to offers for Porzingis, what if some team goes ape shit and offers the house and all the furniture for him? It's unlikely to happen, but that doesn't stop the NBA media circus from going bananas with fake trades and wondering what Porzingis would look like on their team and talking endlessly about something unlikely to happen. It's the 24 hour news cycle and social media at it's finest but to me it is all just noise that clogs up my feed.
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Normally I'm with you, but there have already been multiple significant trades in the last 24 hours...
 
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bosox79 said:
Atlanta is apparently looking to do an S&T with Millsap with Phx, Kings and Nuggets as potential suitors.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/246374/Hawks-Seeking-Paul-Millsap-Sign-And-Trade-Interest-From-Suns-Kings-Nuggets

Source is Brian Windhorst.
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I can't fathom why Milsap would agree to that. Sign and trades don't work the way they used to-- you don't get the full max after being traded (yearly increases of 5%, not 8%), so there's much less incentive to the player. In exchange, he's going to give up choosing his spot, and then weaken the team he goes to?
 
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bosox79 said:
Atlanta is apparently looking to do an S&T with Millsap with Phx, Kings and Nuggets as potential suitors.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/246374/Hawks-Seeking-Paul-Millsap-Sign-And-Trade-Interest-From-Suns-Kings-Nuggets

Source is Brian Windhorst.
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Nice fit for Phoenix or Denver.

As a side note, Windy is going to earn his pay over the next year as the LeBron to whomever rumors heat up, a deal actually happens and then the rationalization, finger pointing and recriminations follow.
 
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Apparently Houston is going hard after CP3, maybe Blake

Edit: not sure I see the fit with CP3 and Harden - both are primary ball handlers, no?
 
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DeJesus Built My Hotrod said:
As a side note, Windy is going to earn his pay over the next year as the LeBron to whomever rumors heat up, a deal actually happens and then the rationalization, finger pointing and recriminations follow.
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I was thinking about this the other day as he made the rounds of non-ESPN places to talk about LeBron. The most famous "pair" in this vein has to be Cosell-Ali, but are there other examples of a media-type whose career is so linked to a single athlete or sports figure?
 
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bosox79 said:
Atlanta is apparently looking to do an S&T with Millsap with Phx, Kings and Nuggets as potential suitors.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/246374/Hawks-Seeking-Paul-Millsap-Sign-And-Trade-Interest-From-Suns-Kings-Nuggets

Source is Brian Windhorst.
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I saw that, too and it makes zero sense since any of those teams can open cap space and sign those guys outright. Not sure what a sign and trade brings Millsap in that scenario unless I missed something in the new CBA that brings back the benefit of sign and trade deals.

It's quite clear with the Howard purge and Millsap dangling that Travis Schlenk is envisioning a full rebuild in Atlanta.
 
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E5 Yaz said:
I was thinking about this the other day as he made the rounds of non-ESPN places to talk about LeBron. The most famous "pair" in this vein has to be Cosell-Ali, but are there other examples of a media-type whose career is so linked to a single athlete or sports figure?
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Bledsoe-Borges?

Edit: Obviously, I kid, but Ronny hitched his wagon to Bledsoe and it absolutely enraged him that he went from being completely plugged in to persona non grata, to detriment of his career.
 
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cheech13 said:
I saw that, too and it makes zero sense since any of those teams can open cap space and sign those guys outright. Not sure what a sign and trade brings Millsap in that scenario unless I missed something in the new CBA that brings back the benefit of sign and trade deals.

It's quite clear with the Howard purge and Millsap dangling that Travis Schlenk is envisioning a full rebuild in Atlanta.
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Maybe those teams would prefer to actually move some contracts? Just not sure why Atlanta would want to be taking back contracts like Chandler and/or Dudley. Phoenix was rumored to be moving Bledsoe but that seems like an asset you could actually get value back for. Maybe Denver could package Darrell Arthur, Wilson Chandler and like a 2018 protected 1st or something. No idea.
 
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finnVT said:
I can't fathom why Milsap would agree to that. Sign and trades don't work the way they used to-- you don't get the full max after being traded (yearly increases of 5%, not 8%), so there's much less incentive to the player. In exchange, he's going to give up choosing his spot, and then weaken the team he goes to?
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The agents are heavily involved in the sign-n-trade process as they are the ones negotiating the deal. If a sign-n-trade gets done with Millsap, or any other player for that matter, it is because they are agreeing to the signing terms.
 
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Is there a reason Denver isn't in on Butler? He seems like he'd be a perfect fit for them and they have the pieces.Although now Butler is apparently committed to Chicago with Wade opting in.
 
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And we have the first Fake Woj Twitter trade of the week!

edit: Not 79s, one under a Fake Woj account that I didn't post. Just giving everyone a head's up
 
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"A pre-draft or draft-day trade is still possible, but I'm told the Pacers are now willing to wait this out and seek better offers for PG."

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This makes sense to me. The Celtics can probably push in a more competitive offer once they know how FA shakes out. Zarren tweeted something to that effect earlier today. I'm not sure how much I'd deal for a year of PG though... Crowder and our (Celtics) 18 first?
 
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A top 5 pick may be a stretch but someone like Minnesota should definitely consider moving their pick for a player like Aldridge. He hasn't fit well in San Antonio but he's still a very good player.
 
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Yeah, I wouldn't trade a top 5 pick for him, but LaMarcus' deal is old cap max, 20M a year is pretty reasonable for him.
 
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Only signed for 1 more year plus a player option so that hurts his value even more. Also turns 32 next month so he's definitely on the back 9. Still pretty solid though so he could absolutely help someone.
 
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Grin&MartyBarret said:

I wonder if the Spurs would move him for #10. That's right about where the draft thins out, so I could see Sacramento doing that. Would be bad news for the LAL/SAC pic.
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Not if he opts out after the season anyway. Would maybe depend on if they're able to bring in anybody else.
 
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RedOctober3829 said:
Source: New Orleans Pelicans guard Tim Frazier has been traded to the Washington Wizards in exchange for the No. 52 pick.

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Nice upgrade from Brandon Jennings for them to back up Wall.

Eh, looking at it now, it's a stretch to call him an upgrade. Probably just my recency bias from seeing Jennings in the playoffs.
 
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E5 Yaz said:
I was thinking about this the other day as he made the rounds of non-ESPN places to talk about LeBron. The most famous "pair" in this vein has to be Cosell-Ali, but are there other examples of a media-type whose career is so linked to a single athlete or sports figure?
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Pedro Gomez - Barry Bonds?
 
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No, it doesn't really have any new news. Probably what you should expect when you get your basketball news from a defunct oil company.
 
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