I'm also pursuing LeBron for my rec league team.
That only matters if LeBron wants to play for my team.
2017 NBA offseason thread
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That only matters if LeBron wants to play for my team.
LA can pursue him but LBJ is going to want proven stars on his team. George is one, and then...? He's not going to spend ages 34 on hoping that Ball and Ingram develop quickly. Hell, the Timberwolves might be more ready than LA to compete a year from now...
I'm guessing you guys aren't coached by Brad Stevens either - Lebron's favorite coach.
I like this deal for the Nets too. I think Russell's a good guy to take a chance on.
Gotta think PG shoe is going to drop soon. How much of the future is Magic going to mortgage to lose to the Warriors for the next couple of years?
Goodbye 2018 Lakers pick, hello 2019 Kings. The Nets should still be awful next year, at least.
I really feel like this is a bad day for the Celtics.
Wade picked up his option, which indicates Butler won't be traded. Wade doesn't want to play for a rebuilding team so he must think Butler is staying.
Nets got better, and have a better chance of getting in the playoffs. That lowers the value of their pick next year.
Lakers cleared a bunch of cap space so even if the Cs trade for him he is now more likely to leave for LA.
Gasol opted out to take a lower contract, opening up space for Chris Paul. That means the Clippers are more likely to be in the lottery, meaning the Celtics are not going to get a pick from them.
I hope Danny has something creative in the works because this sucks.
Wade picked up his option, which indicates Butler won't be traded. Wade doesn't want to play for a rebuilding team so he must think Butler is staying.
Nets got better, and have a better chance of getting in the playoffs. That lowers the value of their pick next year.
Lakers cleared a bunch of cap space so even if the Cs trade for him he is now more likely to leave for LA.
Gasol opted out to take a lower contract, opening up space for Chris Paul. That means the Clippers are more likely to be in the lottery, meaning the Celtics are not going to get a pick from them.
I hope Danny has something creative in the works because this sucks.
No way. The Nets just traded their best player for one who is a) unlikely to be as good in 2017-18 as Lopez was this year, and b) is somewhat redundant with their 2nd best player.
It's a good move for them long term, but it doesn't make them better next year.
Wade wants to get $24M, he doesn't care if Butler gets traded as long as he gets paid.
One of the first things that came out that led to the LAL rumor was that LeBron's wife would like the family to live in LA year round. They need to do a lot of work to make it attractive to LeBron, but George has to start him thinking about it.
You honestly don't think that if George goes there that it wouldn't look attractive to him? Ball and Ingram surrounding those two is a start of a very good team.
On the other hand, we know LeBron has a close relationship with new Clippers exec Jerry West, and with Chris Paul. A little LA v. LA battle would be fun
Yep. There's going to be a market for LeBron if he chooses to leave. It's too bad he couldn't be a FA this year as we all know his affinity for Brad Stevens.
It looks like the Lakers are clearing cap space for PG13 next year, not looking to trade for him this year. With Russell traded away, I can't see Indiana biting on any package the Lakers might offer.
I view this trade as good news for the Celtics. It helps both the Nets and Lakers further down the road, but not next year.
I view this trade as good news for the Celtics. It helps both the Nets and Lakers further down the road, but not next year.
The Nets got better but not for 2018. I think this is great for the pick as it's a pretty clear signal they aren't going to make any short sighted FA signings.
Lopez was the only guy on that roster you could count on for 20. Maybe Russ is that guy now but they are now fully in development mode. Worst team in the league trading its best player for a young guy.
Lopez was the only guy on that roster you could count on for 20. Maybe Russ is that guy now but they are now fully in development mode. Worst team in the league trading its best player for a young guy.
I think Lebron can figure out how to make it work with someone with Ball's ball skills. Lonzo is sort of the anti-Kyrie. Ingram has one more year to show some development.
This will allow the Lakers to have bird rights for Lopez, extend him at a reasonable salary and sign two big FAs in summer 2018 if they dump the Deng contract.
You think LeBron, at age 33 will ditch Cleveland, and deal with all of the shit associated with that, for the "start of a pretty good team." He leaves if he can beat Golden State somewhere. He and Paul George, as nice a pairing as they are, don't beat Golden State with Lonzo Ball and Ingram as their three and four. Who guards Curry? Thompson? Who rebounds? Hell, who even makes open shots? Ingram nor Ball has proven they can do so.
If, on the other hand, Ball/Ingram are moved for guys that help them beat GS now, maybe I see it. But even with George aren't there like 5 teams that would give him a better shot of beating GS than a stripped down, young Lakers team?
You missed all the comments earlier, Gilbert is a psycho who is trying to edge LeBron out of town.
At this point the people of Cleveland may not be mad at him if he leaves again... Gilbert is crazy.
Deng + Ingram could possibly LA Jimmy Butler.
How would that fit?
Ball
Butler
PG13
Lebron
Lopez
I don't know if I ever see Lebron signing a 4 year contract.
Deng + Ingram could possibly LA Jimmy Butler.
How would that fit?
Ball
Butler
PG13
Lebron
Lopez
I don't know if I ever see Lebron signing a 4 year contract.
I do, he'll do what he did going to CLE which just had Kyrie and a #1 pick, he'll push the GM to build for now by moving Ball and/or Ingram, he'll talk a bunch of good vets to come for cheap, etc. I also think it's quite possible that both he and his wife want to be in LA for a variety of non-basketball reasons, and if he doesn't see CLE winning he's not putting up with Gilbert (who he hates). I don't think he'll get all that much hate from CLE fans. He won the city's first title in decades, most of the fanbase will respect that.
Well it is a very good core on the surface and can get better if yes you move one of the young guys for something that fits better. They'll move Lopez at the deadline if he's healthy for picks. You know that they'll get 3 and D guys to surround him and PG.
Wasn't part of his Comic Sans Serif rant that he would never allow letting a star like LeBron to ever do something like that to Cleveland again?
Gilbert will absolutely trade him before he let's him walk away again, but his insanity has given LeBron cover to not be the villain this time around.
This is why you don't plan on competing 4-5 years down the road, when you have a good core and future assets, because you're thinking you're not going to beat Lebron. Hard to predict the future in the NBA. I'm not in a win now at all costs, but it seems like we could pick up Butler for the #3+Crowder and filler, still have a potential lottery picks next year and the following, and perhaps be favorites in the East.
It's not really that good on the surface if you're trying to compete now.
And while it's easy enough to say Ball/Ingram will be moved for vets, it's a lot harder to actually move them. I mean, what'd DeAngelo Russell just net?
Ball hasn't even played a game yet. How can we have any idea what he could fetch in a year?
It's floating around in one of the threads.
Cleveland can't compete with the draft pick obviously, so it's possible the Celtics felt no need to include it. They might be able to beat any Cleveland offer without it.
Ah thanks. Sorry, must've missed it. These threads are growing like kudzu, with all the speculation and the draft nearing. Good point -- Celts can probably beat other offers with something else in their treasure chest. Ainge is like the guy who's got all the other kids' marbles at this point.
I saw that too. But as I and several others have pointed out, the Celtics can't trade for Butler and still have cap space for Hayward or Griffin unless they relinquish Crowder and Bradley (or IT). It could never have been Butler for #3 by itself. Doesn't work.
This suggests that the Celtics feel good about their chances with Hayward.
Or they could move those guys for even more future picks. Maybe they REALLY want Tatum or player X. Plus Butler. Plus Haewoulde.
Because he knows LeBron is going to LA in a year? Guessing we'll have a lot of activity and rumors but Celtics will probably just keep Tatum/Jackson and hopefully sign Hayward.
That is a pretty clear signal LeBron is outta there. The Lakers clearing the cap space then this on its heels.
That's all well and good but I think Cleveland still does a deal even without assurances that he'd commit to them long term.
This offseason officially got weird
Marc J. SpearsVerified account @MarcJSpearsESPN 33s34 seconds ago
The Atlanta Hawks have agreed to trade center Dwight Howard to the Charlotte Bobcats, source tell ESPN's The Undefeated.
Marc J. SpearsVerified account @MarcJSpearsESPN 33s34 seconds ago
The Atlanta Hawks have agreed to trade center Dwight Howard to the Charlotte Bobcats, source tell ESPN's The Undefeated.
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Sources: Charlotte is sending Miles Plumlee, Marco Belenelli and 41st pick to Atlanta for Dwight Howard and 31st pick.
Sources: Charlotte is sending Miles Plumlee, Marco Belenelli and 41st pick to Atlanta for Dwight Howard and 31st pick.