2017 Gronk: Mojo Gronk

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Are other players taking flack for partying off the clock...or for getting into trouble when partying off the clock? I might be wrong, but my impression is it's the latter. I don't think New England / NFL fans would have the same attitude about Gronk's shenanigans if he was arrested for sexual assault, drug charge, or DUI or if someone in his entourage shot somebody outside a nightclub.
 
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Are other players taking flack for partying off the clock...or for getting into trouble when partying off the clock? I might be wrong, but my impression is it's the latter. I don't think New England / NFL fans would have the same attitude about Gronk'a shenanigans if he was arrested for sexual assault, drug charge, or DUI or if someone in his entourage shot somebody outside a nightclub.
Or if he was doing it the week before a playoff game like Beckham or Romo
 

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He took some flack for appearing to enjoy himself too much at a post-SB parties after one of the Giants losses, I don't remember which one.

Why isn't he miserable?? He doesn't care!!
 

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He took some flack for appearing to enjoy himself too much at a post-SB parties after one of the Giants losses, I don't remember which one.

Why isn't he miserable?? He doesn't care!!
He was dancing, possibly on M, after being injured. I didn't have a problem with it, but it wasn't the best look.
 

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He was dancing, possibly on M, after being injured. I didn't have a problem with it, but it wasn't the best look.
Whoa, where is the 'possibly on M' coming from? That's not anything I've heard before. Source or are you just speculating? Because that seems a tad irresponsible (as minor as that may be for an accusation on a private message board).
 

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Whoa, where is the 'possibly on M' coming from? That's not anything I've heard before. Source or are you just speculating? Because that seems a tad irresponsible (as minor as that may be for an accusation on a private message board).
I'll google, but I'm pretty sure it was discussed here at the time given how he was dancing and how sweaty he was.
 

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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2701342-mike-freemans-10-point-stance-players-see-double-standard-with-gronk?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial

MIKE FREEMAN'S 10-POINT STANCE: PLAYERS SEE DOUBLE STANDARD WITH GRONK


My take is that it is a double edged sword. Gronk plays the lovable big dummie. I expect portrayal few players, especially black players would embrace that role. I mean a commercial with Vince Wolfork acting like an illiterate caveman would be seen as racist. Gronk has (unintentionally or other wise, but I believe intentionally) played into the stereotype of the ignorant middle america drunken fool. The article mentions he is one of the hardest workers, and his performance on the field does not show him a fool.
This is true, but what should change isnt people laughing along with Gronk.
 

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I wonder who did the video. Seems to me like Gronk was friends with the artist and did it as a favor. There is no money behind that production.
 

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Here's to hoping he's as present and productive on the field this year as he's been off of it.

I think the team adding incentives to his deal this year was a really, really smart move. Not because his past injuries are his fault, but because perhaps it'll keep him more focused on recovery and football for the rest of 2017 and less focused on public appearances.
 

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I wonder who did the video. Seems to me like Gronk was friends with the artist and did it as a favor. There is no money behind that production.
3LAU is the (pretty bad) DJ who had Gronk twerking on stage at Ultra Music Festival a couple years ago, so yeah, they're friends.

The project came together after Gronkowski met 3LAU – the stage name of Las Vegas-based DJ Justin Blau – earlier this year in the lead-up to Super Bowl LI. As Blau told US Weekly, "I played a show in Houston two nights before this year's Super Bowl, and was hanging with Rob and his brothers beforehand. I've grown close with his whole crew since we first met in a club in Ohio." When Blau played the song "On My Mind" to Gronkowski and his friends off of a Bluetooth speaker, he joked about Gronkowski staring in the music video.

To his surprise, Gronkowski was game, which is why we now have this video in our lives.

The song is off of Blau’s not-for-profit album “BLUME” with all the proceeds going towards his goal of raising $30,000 for the American Civil Liberties Union. This isn’t the first time Blau has used his music to raise money for charities, either, as he explained on YouTube.
http://www.rollingstone.com/sports/rob-gronkowski-mojo-rawley-in-hilarious-3lau-music-video-w484001

That video is embarrassingly awful.
 

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On last night's Sox broadcast, Dave O'Brien said there had been a recent piece on a now-healthy Gronk that recently aired, presumably on NESN. Does anyone know what he was referring to?
 

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Gronk recommits "100%" to working out at, and following the recommendations of, TB12 sports therapy. He throws in an obligatory joke about avocado ice cream, and says "Tom's my chef".

For a guy who's 28 and has trouble staying on the field, some of which are reasons entirely beyond his control (DBs targeting) and some of which he might have some control over (some of the previous back or arm injuries), anything that makes him more resilient in those fleeting moments when his ligaments might or might not break under a hit has to be a plus. The guy takes exactly two things seriously in life: football, and partying, in that order. Good to see that order reasserted by him, even if that means no more pounding beers at nightclubs.
 

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Good news on Gronk:

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Sounds like the Pats escaped serious injury with Gronk. Groin injury not expected to keep him out long. Should be fine
 

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Good news on Gronk:

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Sounds like the Pats escaped serious injury with Gronk. Groin injury not expected to keep him out long. Should be fine
Great news. But it's also concerning. That's two games in a row where he's either looked balky or got tweaked during the game. I'm officially at the point where I have fear every time he's tackled.
 

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I've been at that point for a long time. He is an amazing freak of nature, but graceful he is not. So when he does go down, it always seems like a redwood falling so I always imagine limbs snapping.
I know this is anti-thetical to his Gronkness and what I'm sure BB preaches, but would it make sense for Gronk to try to moderate his game and not fight through every tackle on every play? I'm not suggesting that he pull a full Tony Eason, but catch the ball, catch it in traffic, and go to the ground once you are wrapped up.
 

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I know this is anti-thetical to his Gronkness and what I'm sure BB preaches, but would it make sense for Gronk to try to moderate his game and not fight through every tackle on every play? I'm not suggesting that he pull a full Tony Eason, but catch the ball, catch it in traffic, and go to the ground once you are wrapped up.
At this stage in his career, he should certainly do that. The extra 4-20 yards are awesome and it's cool to watch him Gronk Stomp, but he needs to avoid taking hits. If he doesn't moderate, could he even play two more years?
 

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How does he do this in practice though? Just catch and go to ground?
 

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I get the sentiment, but he didnt really catch the ball in traffic on the play he got hurt on yesterday. He caught the ball on the run in space and then got caught from behind by a relative smurf. I guess he could try to go down as soon as the smurf touches him, but I dont know how easy that is to do in the moment when a guy jumps on him from behind or if he would just end up tweaking something trying to land unnaturally. He could, I guess, just fall down after he catches the ball, but he had a fair bit of open space at full speed before being hit. Maybe there is cumulative wear and tear but, thinking back on his injuries, the only one that really occurred fighting for extra yards was the first injury against the Ravens in 2011. 2012 he got hurt on an extra point, the rest of his injuries have occurred getting blown up on pass routes where there was really no way to give himself up.

Reducing Gronk's injury risk probably involves some combination of reduced playing time, fewer pass routes, and particularly fewer routes where he is running in the middle of the field at full speed more so than Gronk altering how he plays himself. If he's running pass routes across the field at full speed at his size, violent collisions are sort of inevitable, but if he can't attack the middle of the field then he's a much less useful player.
 

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I get the sentiment, but he didnt really catch the ball in traffic on the play he got hurt on yesterday. He caught the ball on the run in space and then got caught from behind by a relative smurf. I guess he could try to go down as soon as the smurf touches him, but I dont know how easy that is to do in the moment when a guy jumps on him from behind or if he would just end up tweaking something trying to land unnaturally. He could, I guess, just fall down after he catches the ball, but he had a fair bit of open space at full speed before being hit. Maybe there is cumulative wear and tear but, thinking back on his injuries, the only one that really occurred fighting for extra yards was the first injury against the Ravens in 2011. 2012 he got hurt on an extra point, the rest of his injuries have occurred getting blown up on pass routes where there was really no way to give himself up.

Reducing Gronk's injury risk probably involves some combination of reduced playing time, fewer pass routes, and particularly fewer routes where he is running in the middle of the field at full speed more so than Gronk altering how he plays himself. If he's running pass routes across the field at full speed at his size, violent collisions are sort of inevitable, but if he can't attack the middle of the field then he's a much less useful player.
There really isn't anything he can do with his style of play to lessen the risk of injury. It would be a disservice to him and his teammates if he were intentionally going away from things out of fear he may get injured. As BB says, football players play football. In fact, the risk of injury may be greater if he was consciously doing something out of the ordinary in order to avoid injury.
 

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I think a large part of why/how Gronk gets hurt is that he is so big that the only way for DB's to tackle him is to try to take him out below the waist. Add in the fact that when he does fall, it's a long way, with a lot of mass behind it, to fall. Didn't he re-break his arm back in 2012 by simply falling on a pass he didn't catch?
 

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There really isn't anything he can do with his style of play to lessen the risk of injury. It would be a disservice to him and his teammates if he were intentionally going away from things out of fear he may get injured. As BB says, football players play football. In fact, the risk of injury may be greater if he was consciously doing something out of the ordinary in order to avoid injury.
That's sort of my point, its a logical thought but doesnt really seem practical to implement. It seems to me like the main way to reduce Gronk's chances of getting injured is to reduce his role attacking the middle of the field in the passing game. So maybe he sits the fourth quarter when the Pats are winning and maybe he runs fewer routes against the Jets or w/e when one of the scrub squads comes to town, but basically there's just not a lot to be done.
 

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I think a large part of why/how Gronk gets hurt is that he is so big that the only way for DB's to tackle him is to try to take him out below the waist. Add in the fact that when he does fall, it's a long way, with a lot of mass behind it, to fall. Didn't he re-break his arm back in 2012 by simply falling on a pass he didn't catch?
He re-broke the arm in part because it wasn't fully healed yet. Yes, he fell on it trying to make a catch on the sideline but the arm was not fully healed.
 

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He actually has started to use techniques to lower his injury risk, in particular leaning forward and bending low once he catches a ball, but there's only so much he can do.
 

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Great news. But it's also concerning. That's two games in a row where he's either looked balky or got tweaked during the game. I'm officially at the point where I have fear every time he's tackled.
I'm with you. Every time he goes down I hold my breath, waiting for him to pop back up. When he gets up even just a little bit slowly, I think... oh crappppppppppppp...
 

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It was pretty clear early on that Gronk wouldn't be enjoying a Tony Gonzalez/Jason Witten career. I'm very grateful he didn't have a Bo Jackson career. I'm enjoying every second, and just hope he'll be available for the games that count the most.
 

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Thinking about it, I think/agree that limiting his use is probably the better way to manage this than for him to do something that is not natural just to avoid injury. He should be in the game on all red zone snaps, and pick and choose his usage between the 20s.
 

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There's also the complication that the Pats just handed Gronk $5MM or something in potential playing time and performance incentives. He didnt really trade anything for those incentives, but adds a complication to ramping down Gronk's playing time.

On an unrelated topic, this contract also might explain some of the Pats "extra" carry over money we have discussed in other threads, particularly the QB discussion threads.. I think, those incentives would be NLTBE incentives that count against the '18 cap if Gronk hits them.
 

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Thinking about it, I think/agree that limiting his use is probably the better way to manage this than for him to do something that is not natural just to avoid injury. He should be in the game on all red zone snaps, and pick and choose his usage between the 20s.
The problem with that is that he's such a good blocker in the run game. Sure, Allen is too but the 2 TE sets are an advantage the coaching staff wants to use. You theoretically could take him out of the game when it's a blowout to limit risk or rotate him through certain series similar to what they do with the RBs and have him on a "pitch count." However, BB's philosophy is that if the doctor clears the player he's going to play a full role. He may have to re-think that with Gronk.