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Discussion in 'General Sports' started by Koufax, Jan 25, 2016.
That's my plan for a portion of my xmas bonus/tax return money.
Yeah but I mean because you're playing so well. Your swing is probably really consistent right now. Will it be in January?
I got more consistent contact and gained 10-20 yards with every club by leaning over more and activating my core
Im so sad about golf. Life has thrown some curveballs but Ive tried to keep playing, and at some point I got the complete yips off the tee. iron play is great. Putting and chipping is good. But I can't do anything but snaphook balls off the tee. Whether with driver or 3 wood or even 7wood or hybrid at this point. My practice swing is perfect but once I get onto the ball it goes to hell.
Part of me wants to just stop playing for the winter and see if I get it out of my system but I love to play and I got pretty good this year, until this yip thing happened.
Stop taking practice swings.
Or try hitting balls with a tee between your left thumb and the meaty part of your right palm just below the thumb.
I had a similar problem this year. Only got in about seven rounds and couldn’t get off the tee to save my life. Everything was a snap hook and my normal miss is usually a high fade/slice. I realized that for my driver, my stance had become way too wide and closed. I moved my feet closer together, squared up and moved the ball back about an inch and presto. Fairways and hybrids I simply narrowed the stance and moved it back a little, I hadn’t crept into being so closed.
I'm am RIGHT there with you. I was actually just going to post today about how depressed I've gotten with golf.
I'd gotten myself down to an 11.7, had been consistently in the high 80s, including like 10-11 straight orunds in the 80s. Just playing solid, consistent golf. Then about 1.5 months ago something happened and I've fallen apart. I'm either coming from way outside in and cutting across the ball or keeping the club face WIDE open at impact and not releasing the clubhead through. Or both. This is leading to hard slices, super high flared iron shots (I hit an 80 yard 9 iron that felt like I hit perfect the other day), super high ball flight in general, and more often than I'd like to admit - hard shanks. Yesterday I shot a 106 at ButterBrook and it was even worse than the score indicated.
It's all in my head at this point, but I don't know how to fix it. I've tried the range, I've tried drills, I've tried taking a break, and I've tried playing my way out of it. I'll still mix an occasional good round in, especially at my club, but it's made me really not enjoy golf anymore.
Anyway - I know the answer is probably a lesson and practice, combined with a mental break. Just wanted you to know you're not alone.
Sometimes the answer is just that there isn't an answer. None of us are good enough to expect consistency or all of the parts to come together at the same time with any frequency. I play a LOT of golf (well over 100 rounds a year) and for weeks at a time I'll hit the ball perfectly with my driver and then it will go away and I'll hit everything left then everything right and then it will all come back again. The swing shows up and disappears, sometimes from a morning round to an afternoon round. The degree to which it does is generally relative to your level, but rest assured that if you keep playing, something will click and you'll be right back to where you were before.
I've also developed some yips off the tee over the last couple months. My driver was on fire early in the season but all of a sudden it's either a snap hook or a cold top, which is something I rarely ever did. I'm really struggling to find my driver swing, to the point that I've just started using my 3 or 4 iron as a driving iron. I'm long enough for that to be ok most of the time unless it's a 400+ yard par 4, but I'd really love to go back to hitting driver-wedge of driver-9 iron on a lot of par 4s.
I appreciate that. I literally shot 79-97-98-83-94-86-98 the last 7 rounds. I feel like I'm an Alzheimers patient who gains consciousness when my driver is on. And I do appreciate the advice, I'm sure there is a fix in there somewhere.
Haha my last 15 are 87-85-96-96-98-94-88-89-85-86-101-87-98-90-106. Some rounds I keep it in play and let my short game do the work, others I can't make a par to save my life. It's infuriating.
The funny thing is my iron game is wonderful these days. Its just for some reason I can't force myself with driver to actually move my lower body and get through the swing.
You know, I stopped taking serious practice swings with all my woods somewhere along the line this year and it's been a great change. I do a little back and though waggle away from the ball to keep my wrists loose/fluid and then step up and take a quick rip it at.
I started the year with an ugly snap hook and sometime over the summer just clicked off the tee. I'm probably driving the ball better overall than I ever have in my life. There were a couple other changes in there too (slightly further from ball, more upright at the top, and some other tweaks) but I don't feel I lost anything by giving up on serious practice swings.
Anyway, lately I'm poking the ball around 250-270 with some consistency and it feels really really good. If I can carry some momentum into next year I might be dangerous out there.
This sounds like me early in the year. Great, consistent mid-iron play but a game-killing hook off the tee. It's fixable though!
Yeah this can happen to me. When I'm snap hooking the ball it's because I'm making smaller movements with smaller muscles to sort of whip it all the ball. I whip it too soon, the face closes, and every animal in the woods is in danger. To fix it, I set up for a push fade, try to use longer levers and the big muscles, and hit through the ball. One good hard fade gives me enough confidence to go back to my normal draw.
You are dangerous out there. I wouldn't want to stand on an adjacent fairway with you on the tee.
When I miss, I miss big, but it's long! Big shot, baby!
Moved my feet closer together and stood slightly closer to the ball and I smoked some drives right down the pipe this morning which is something I have done in a while. Thank you for the inspiration.
Golf is easy huh? Just listen to some random advice on the internet and there ya go!
Well it didn't seem to help the 3 putt problem...
Thinking about a new set of irons for next year. I’m in a six year old set of TM R11s that I’ve never really loved and I have literally blanked on gift ideas when family has asked me for birthday and Christmas ideas. I’m thinking I’ll have them crowd source and just amass enough gift cards to get a full fitting and set of new sticks. Wondering if anyone is playing something new this season? Thinking the final five will be:
Titleist 718 AP1
Mizuno JPX Hot Metal
Anyone playing any of these? I intend to get fit then use a tracman to narrow it down, but just wondering if anyone plays them or has hit them?
I will be eagerly awaiting any reply to PP as I am thinking of doing exactly the same thing except I hadn't even put in the time to get a list together of potentials so I might as well just use his.
I'd add a ping set to your list to try out. Their irons are rock solid for the type you're looking for.
These are very different iron sets. Ap1s and M1s are very game improvement and 790s are a players iron. Also I don't think much of the Epics and they're like 2 grand.
The 790s are not a players iron. They are a happy middle ground between a game improvement and players iron.
Good point. I've really liked the Ping G woods and hybrids I got this year. I'll have to test drive them.
Yeah, sorry, I meant the Apex, not the Epic. I've been trying to get a good read on the P790s since they were released and my understanding has been what FL4WL3SS says below, that they're middle ground and then the 770s and lower numbers are players irons.
But that's why I intend to do what I did last time and go to the local shop, spend a session with the ones I have an eye on and narrow it down to 3-4 to walk into the fitting with in mind; then let the numbers make the choice. I have a feeling it will be like last time and come down to the AP1s and the newest TM model. Last time I really wanted the AP1s but I promised myself I'd let the tracman make the choice and the numbers were better on the R11s.
Anyway, thanks for the suggestions guys, I'll definitely do some more research on the P790s and make sure Ping is included. I should probably look into Adams too, they had a set I liked last time that was forged, the just came in 3rd place at my fitting.
Edit: and shit, didn’t realize Adams doesn’t exist anymore. Ah well.
They're a players iron according to Taylormade
The Apex are one of my favorite irons and the epic are one of my least favorite, so good stuff. Regardless if I'm right or if Fl4wless is wrong about the 790s, I still think your list is a little too short and diverse. I thought you meant the M2s (the M1s make more sense) but the AP1s are still a bit of an outlier in that list. To bridge the gap and if you like Titleist, I'd add the new AP3s to your list. If money is tight and you don't mind Nike the Vapor Fly Pros are a good option too. I went with them after hitting thousands of balls with similar clubs to the ones on your list, and I couldn't be happier. Shout out to 463 who helped a lot.
Taylormade also claims you'll gain 10 yards with each new club you buy from them.
Not on the website!
The M2s look (admittedly I haven’t seen anything in person, just going off pics online) a little too clunky for my eye.
As to GI vs player, I’m leaning more towards GI. I don’t get to play as much as I used to and we’re it a few years ago when I was pulling 50-60 rounds a year and was in better condition with my game, I’d look towards something like an AP2 (which probably settles similarly to the p790 as a bridge). As it is, Ive barely played ten rounds this year and my index has jumped to a 19. A friend I play with - who cards an 11 and plays much more often than I and is much more technically sound - got AP2s last year and he’s already replaced his 4 thru 7 with AP1s. I intend to try them I just don’t think my game is consistent enough to handle something with that much workability. I’m much more in a ‘point and shoot’ mindset these days. Marriage/house/work/kids are going to topple on top of me soon and quickly, if I somehow find time to play more and regret going GI as opposed to PI, I’ll consider it a win.
But again, I’ll hit at least 8-10 different ones and narrow it down. I love doing this process, so research will not be lacking! Thanks man.
Here's a thing I've I've never seen on a golf course. On Sunday I was in a foursome with my brother and his friends. We asked the ranger about a beer cart on around the 3rd hole and were told she was out there and we'd see her soon. We get to the end of 9 and there's still no sign of her so we pop into the clubhouse and order some beers to go. The round was moving at a decent clip for a Sunday morning with slight waits on each shot and no on crawling up our asses. We didn't think anything of popping in to grab some beers and it took all of 5 minutes (no longer than had the cart girl pulled up to 10 tee). When we got back to the tee, the group behind us was just getting to 9 green and the group in front was just getting to 10 tee. As we drive up to the tee the ranger is there and starts literally yelling at us that we're not allowed to tee off because we went to the clubhouse and to go drop at the 150 stake and hit from there. We were all pretty shocked and the conversation with the ranger got a little more heated than I think he expected (we've played hundreds of rounds at this course and had never seen anything like this). It was serious bullshit. Whatever, we went to 150, hit our shots and of course the cart girl pulls up right as we're starting to hit. Turns out she's the owners daughter and was pissed about our story. Gave us a free round of beers for the trouble. And of course, we waited to hit our approach shots in on 11 (a par 5) and the group behind us got beers from the cart and never waited a second on us. The ranger accomplished literally nothing but pissing off a group of regulars.
As someone who worked at a golf course for 5 years during high school and college, I can say with confidence that about 80% of rangers I have ever come into contact with are grossly incompetent at their jobs. That said, I cannot wait until I retire and become a ranger and likely one of those 80% because I'll be old and won't care.
I hit the 790s today -- they are great and not players irons
How'd they feel?
due to some unforscene changes, I've had a good bit of free time on my hands the past couple months
on 8/1 my index was 18.6
on 11/1 my index was 15.0
yeah, i've been playing a lot, lol
I entered the year as a 12 something, got down to a nine, hurt my knee, porked my swing, now I am a 14.
Plan is to join Harmon this winter, take lessons, work out more, hit lots of balls, hopefully come back better next year.
Speaking of lessons, does anyone have any tips or experience with them? I think it's time to bite the bullet on lessons because my swing is pretty much a disaster and I need a serious tune up. I just want to make sure I get the most out of them since they're not exactly cheap.
I took indoor lessons at City Golf -- lots of them. I liked having an established relationship with a coach who knew what I was working on and who could seem me progress (or not) from week to week. That it was indoors was not the greatest, but it didn't matter as much as you might think.
I have used Jesse Streubing and have been a big fan of him. He used to be out of MIT but moved to Neponset now. Have only had one lesson with him at the new place and it was before he had the simulator set. Place has a shot tracker and some cool tech to see where you're hitting it and other add ons like your setup, shoulder turn, etc.
Only issue I had was him rescheduling but I think that should be better now he's all set in his new spot. Had to reschedule a few times but got a couple free ones out of it. Got a discount by paying for a package with Venmo, which was nice.
Take a lot of them, stick to working on specific things one at a time and don't get discouraged easily. It takes a lot of reps to change muscle memory to the point of it being reliable. Also, talk to people you are considering if they are more visual teachers or verbal teachers and which kind of learner you are. The most productive lessons will come from a match in styles and their ability to convey through that style. I'll give you an example.
I tend to cast and have an outside to in swing path. I can control it with my irons, but when I get to my driver, it's a high slice. I took a few driver lessons and the pro started by showing me what I was doing wrong and trying to get me to replicate his swing. I was having trouble with it. He finally asked me "did you ever play baseball?" I said yes. He asked "ok, runner on second, no outs, what are you trying to do?" I said hit it to the right side. He said "exactly; now I want you to hit that golf ball into the hole between the 1B and 2B." And it clicked for me. He was able to relate it and translate the mechanics into a thought process. Find someone that can do that and you're gold.
100X this. I don't learn visually at all. I have to feel things, watching video is worthless to me, anything besides actually feeling it. A lot of pros cant teach that way.
So I was out in Phoenix for a work event and got a chance to play a round at Grayhawk Golf Club (Raptor Course). I liked the course quite a bit for scenery and for being fun to play without being super easy - if the greens were fast, I could see it being fairly challenging, but they were pretty slow after recent overseeding. I don't have any other experience with Arizona golf, so can't really say it is better than any of the other well-regarded options out there, but would at least say it is worth checking out if you are playing a few courses on a trip.
More notable to me were the rental clubs - Ping G400 woods and irons plus some type of Anser putter. The setup definitely cost me a few strokes, as I had no feel with the wedges and putter, and was especially poor the first few times in a greenside bunker, but I also hit the mid-irons quite well and really loved the woods, especially the 3 and 5 woods (driver was also good, but I lost distance due to loft and started pulling it as I got loose - possible that a different shaft/loft adjustment would be better).
Those fairway woods were a revelation to me, likely because I have never invested in them and I currently only carry a fairly ancient (late 90's?) steel-shafted Taylor Burner Tour Spoon that I almost never use - my longest club I actually use aside from the driver is a 3 hybrid. Now I really want to upgrade my fairway woods and I am giving strong consideration to the Ping clubs, but wondering if I am going to see a big difference if I look for a deal on the previous G models as opposed to paying full freight for the new G400 series.
Check 3balls.com. I just upgraded all my woods to the most recent G (previous to G400) series this summer. They have a used section where you can get clubs for less and they usually are doing sales on those on top of it. If you go with the "awesome" condition, you generally get clubs that you couldn't even tell have ever been hit - usually store models, that may have been hit with tape on them. I've had some come with the shrink wrap still on. And they almost always offer 115% trade in value on your old ones. I think I got a 3W for like $120 and hybrids for about $105 and none of them had a scratch on them.
I have a G driver and 3-wood. I have also spent some time with the new G400 versions of each (similar setup) several times now and didn’t notice much of a difference. The new 3-wood head shape/profile is slightly different and IMO better but that might be the most major difference. The new G400 driver should be longer but we’re talking a yard or two and the type of thing that you don’t need to jump on if you’re budgeting. Definitely feel good about the previous versions if you want to save a few dollars. They’re tremendously great woods fwiw. The driver in particular is stupid easy to hit. I love them.
I like the previous G model more. Try the tour shafts too -- I like them better.
Finally broke 80. 79 from the blues at my club (71/135 rating/slope). Was good w the putter (33), hit 9 greens but scrambled decently enough to save it.
Congrats! You'll find it's easier now that you did it.
Yeah, I got the driver with the tour shaft but the 3W, 3H and 4H with the stock Alta shaft and I really didn't like how whippy and light they were. I found pulled tour shafts on ebay for like $10 a piece and plan to reshaft them before next season. Unfortunately since we have gone from 65 directly to 40 degrees up here, I don't think I'll get another round in this season.
I assure you it's more my playing partners being pansies. I've got layers, hand warmers and winter hats. I've literally played in the snow before, I just don't particularly feel like playing alone and everyone is coming up crying. It's supposed to warm up again next week I think, hopefully we can get another round or two in. Either way, I'll probably get them reshafted over the winter.
Temp isn't shit. Problem is it's dark out right about now.