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2017 Cowboys: NoMo' Romo

Discussion in 'Blinded by the Lombardis: Patriots Forum' started by Greg29fan, Mar 8, 2017.

  1. Greg29fan

    Greg29fan Member SoSH Member

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    He doesn't say anything if Jerrah or Stephen want to do some meddling, which is the biggest plus a coach in the Jones era can get.
     
  2. Bosoxen

    Bosoxen Bounced back Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    To expand on this, I saw a report yesterday on CBS that suggested he's likely to miss at least the next two games. The short week leading up to Thanksgiving would really cut into his recovery time, meaning we'll get to see Melvin Gordon run roughshod over the defense. The bright side (if there is one) is, those of us who care, will get to eat more after the game because it's unlikely we'll be able to keep anything down watching that "defense".

    Update: Just heard on the radio Rick Gosselin of the Dallas Morning News saying that Lee will likely be out at least three games. Judging by how generally slow he is to recover, it's probably a safe assumption he'll miss somewhere between 3-5 games. In other words, this season is probably toast.
     
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  3. TFisNEXT

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    What's sad is the defense was actually playing pretty respectable this season when Lee was on the field. The difference in numbers with and without him are pretty staggering. So it's a bummer that he's going to miss time again. Just one of those guys who has trouble staying healthy.

    While Lee is an all-pro talent, no team should ever have the type of dropoff based on one player. It does speak poorly against the coaches that they cannot adjust to this. If Zeke was playing the next few games, I'd give them a fighting chance to control the tempo enough to overcome it. They nearly beat Green Bay and the Rams like that...if not for some "questionable" play calling and coaching decisions. But with him out, the running game goes from elite to merely above average.

    The coaches have really been exposed this year. They very well might end up the difference between a playoff spot and sitting at home by January. I say this too while actually liking Garrett as a motivator/locker room type coach. I also like how he is generally aggressive on 4th downs in opponents territory. But the lack of in-game adjustments and questionable clock management seems to be an ongoing theme for the coaching staff.
     
  4. Kenny F'ing Powers

    Kenny F'ing Powers posts 18% useful shit Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Smart guy, that Lombardi.
     
  5. tims4wins

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  6. DanoooME

    DanoooME Well-Known Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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    Damn it! Why couldn't he stall it off one more week??
     
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  8. DennyDoyle'sBoil

    DennyDoyle'sBoil Found no thrill on Blueberry Hill SoSH Member

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    Confirms how crazy the district judge was here. Making him serve the suspension while appealing was always the effective equivalent of denying his appeal. To the point where once he didn't get his emergency stay, there was nothing to fight for except his reputation. Which exactly was his point all along. And he wasn't just saying it. Now, he's walking the walk.

    I think he got a really raw deal here. If he did the things he's accused of, who cares? Screw him. But we'll never know and as a procedural matter, this was awful. Everything got wrapped up in the legalese, but just looking at it from 36,000 feet above this was really unfair and hard to explain to a layperson.
     
  9. edmunddantes

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    "Look at it this way.

    Do you think Elliott got railroaded? Do you think NFL gave him a raw deal with the arbitrator choice? How the arbitrator selectively chose evidence?

    You think 'what kind of moron signs up for that type of kangaroo court, I'd never do it"?

    Guess what? You've signed up for that with almost every agreement with your cable, car, bank, credit card, software, computer, phone, hardware, etc provider too.

    Have fun!

    P.S. Congress just voted to make it so your banks can do this to you do (they were going to be barred from it until Congress overturned the CFPB)."
     
  10. RedOctober3829

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    The rest of the story is behind the paywall but wow.

    The National Football League accused Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones of trying to sabotage its contract negotiations with commissioner Roger Goodell.

    The tension has grown so severe that the topic of removing Mr. Jones has been discussed by at least some owners, according to people familiar with the matter. That type of drastic action would require the league showing conduct detrimental to the league—which is exactly the language the league used in a letter sent to Mr. Jones’s attorney, David Boies, on Wednesday.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/nfl-ac...es-of-damaging-the-league-1510789249?mod=e2tw
     
  11. InstaFace

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    What % of cowboys fans would be in favor?
     
  12. Bosoxen

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    That depends. If the Jones family can retain control with Jerruh being banished, I'd be 100% in favor of it. But if it means a forced sale, then I'm of the mind the league office can go screw. Jerry has his many flaws as a GM but, as an owner, it could certainly very easily get much, much worse. I realize that separating Jerry the GM from Jerry the owner is a fool's errand but I'm more inclined to roll the dice with the devil I know than the one I don't.

    I look at it this way: the days of dealing with Jerry are mercifully numbered but a new owner could potentially lead the team to become the new Browns. No fucking thanks.
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  13. BigSoxFan

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    I feel like the Jerrah stuff has kind of died down. There was the Manziel stuff a few years ago but the Cowboys have really been a pretty well-run organization for a while now. The league is more fun with Jerry around. I’d hate to see him go.
     
  14. Hoya81

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    I wonder if Cuban would submit a bid.
     
  15. InstaFace

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    Not after everything he's said about the NFL being a titanic approaching its iceberg. Plus, everyone now knows how outspoken he is, you think the conformist / militaristic NFL would really consider him as an owner for a second?
     
  16. Super Nomario

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    I'm disturbed by the whole sequence. The NFL lost in Peterson, they lost in Ray Rice, they lost (initially) in Brady, and then they won the appeal (by split decision) in Brady and now it seems like they can use that to get rubber-stamped on everything forever. They can have Goodell hear the appeal on his own ruling. If they suspect an appeal is coming, they can preemptively file for confirmation in New York. As long as they frame the decision in terms of "conduct detrimental" and don't explicitly contradict anything bargained for, the league can do whatever it wants. Will players even bother appealing from now on?

    I wouldn't worry about it. My reading is that the league is about as likely to sue for this as Jerry is to sue the league; i.e., they're not. It's a proportional hollow threat.
     
  17. DennyDoyle'sBoil

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    Yup -- I think the only chance to avoid the problem would be to litigate all the way to conclusion in the Second Circuit and then seek review from the Supreme Court of the Second Circuit's apparent decision that "fundamental fairness" is not a requirement in LMRA arbitrations. But that would take at least 3 years and if the Second Circuit isn't going to grant injunctive relief, why bother -- unless maybe you're a player making $20 million and six paychecks is worth fighting for.

    The only other way to do it would be to somehow outmaneuver the league by having someone literally waiting in the clerk's office of the 5th Circuit or some other circuit ready to file the moment the arbitration decision gets announced and hope that the league takes an extra hour two, so that you can have the first filed petition while their New York lawyers are stuck in a cab. Of this entire thing, that is what bothers me most about the NFL's tactics here. And it was what bothered me most in Brady. The NFL does not even bother to make a pretense of trying to be fair. The NFL gets the benefit of the doubt on suspensions in every circuit just some not as strongly as CA2. If it's correct, it shouldn't be afraid of review. The part where it gets its lacky arbitrators (or Goddell himself) to tell them exactly when they should be ready to run to the SDNY is really repulsive and too much gamesmanship for me. Maybe those kind of tactics are ok when you're in civil litigation and two companies have highly priced litigators trying to squeeze every advantage out of the rules of civil procedure. But when you're supposedly wearing the white hat to root out domestic violence or unfair competition or bounties, that's just really unseemly to me. But of course it's not really about domestic violence or underinflated balls or even bounties. It's about naked power and always has been. I guess the only happy thing here is that it is apparently exposing Jerry Jones' obvious hypocrisy.
     
  18. InstaFace

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    I thought there was an existing circuit split that the Brady ruling created. 2nd circuit vs 5th (Texas) or 8th (Minnesota / Katz) or something. No? Or was his the first COA ruling?
     
  19. DennyDoyle'sBoil

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    There is arguably a circuit split. But to get the supreme court to resolve a circuit split, you need a case. How do you get a case ripe for them now? If you get suspended the NFL will rubber stamp it and run to SDNY where you can't get relief and won't get a stay and have to serve your suspension any way. Unless you're prepared to litigate to the end -- even though it won't keep you from being suspended and you'll almost certainly lose in the 2d Circuit and also the chance of the Supreme Court taking any case is very low to start with -- it's very hard to see how this will even get to them.
     
  20. Bosoxen

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    Oh I'm not worried about it. I was merely answering the hypothetical.
     
  21. InstaFace

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    A fair point, and why your remedy of "have someone waiting at the courthouse" may be something we see the NFLPA try.

    But a player would have issues that are ripe even if they are denied a stay and made to serve the suspension. They lost paychecks, not to mention reputation, from the suspension, and relief would give them both back. I guess that's your "litigate to the end" angle.

    Then there's the matter of the composition of SCOTUS and when the timing is right for that, which could easily change a lot between now and the next CBA.
     
  22. DennyDoyle'sBoil

    DennyDoyle'sBoil Found no thrill on Blueberry Hill SoSH Member

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    Yes, you could get to the Supreme Court and lose. Very possible.

    Right -- you have to have a player that is going to let it be part of his life for at least 3 years even though he's served his suspension. Probably would have to be a very highly paid player who loses a big number of games.
     

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