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berniecarbo1

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Great great hire. He will win immediately there. Playing in the PAC 12, in LA with his offense??? Every kid out west will want to play there. Watch out Trojans!!! U-C-L-A, fight fight fight.
 

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As a pac 12 fan this sucks. Kelly is a good coach who has no problem running a hopelessly corrupt program. He’ll be very successful. Bummer.
 

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He’s 64 years old and has openly said he doesn’t like to recruit. At Oregon he kept Bellotti’s offense and entire staff and is inheriting a prostyle offense.

I won’t be surprised if he has success,but won’t be surprised if he doesn’t either.
 

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He’s 64 years old and has openly said he doesn’t like to recruit. At Oregon he kept Bellotti’s offense and entire staff and is inheriting a prostyle offense.

I won’t be surprised if he has success,but won’t be surprised if he doesn’t either.
He's only 54.
Most if not all of Bellotti's staff are available, since Taggart has his own staff at Oregon. They are older guys though. He also brought his own offense there from UNH since he was OC for two years. On the recruiting front he'll have far less travel than he had to at Oregon. Everything is in his backyard. He also over achieved at Oregon, his 2010 national finalist is the only finalist in the BCS/CFP era that had fewer blue chips (4/5 stars) than non-blue chips.

I do agree the first season transition from a pro-style offense will probably look clumsy. He had a knack for finding the right QBs at Oregon, Dennis Dixon (who he inherited) Jeremiah Masoli, Darron Thomas and Marcus Mariota was an amazing streak of QB play. If he doesn't have that right away he may struggle. He'll play a freshman if he finds a solid one.
 
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I can always count on Hambone to see the rest of the PAC-12 through ASU cheerleader costume colored glasses :)
It’s like I’m standing outside Sun Devil Stadium and rumors all week were his decision was awaiting outcome of the ASU vs UofA matchup.

There were reports that UCLA’s contract with UnderArmour hurt their chances based on his friendship with Phil Knight.

II fills in the rest. My bad on age misrember/typo.
 

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Todd Graham out at Arizona State. Not sure where they will turn. Maybe Jeff Tedford returns to the PAC 12 after leading Fresno to an 8-3 record this year and MWC championship game appearance. True he was less than successful at Cal at the end but overall had a great run and this season at Fresno shows he can still coach. They could do a lot worse.
 

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Todd Graham out at Arizona State. Not sure where they will turn. Maybe Jeff Tedford returns to the PAC 12 after leading Fresno to an 8-3 record this year and MWC championship game appearance. True he was less than successful at Cal at the end but overall had a great run and this season at Fresno shows he can still coach. They could do a lot worse.
A Texas A&M beat writer says Kevin Sumlin will be the ASU coach.

"Hearing that Kevin Sumlin will be the next Arizona State head coach. Would be surprised if a deal isn't done in very short order."

 

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Texas A&M has fired coach Kevin Sumlin. He was 51-26 in six seasons there.


“@DanWolken: Tennessee is finalizing the deal with Schiano. Hopes to name him later today, per person with direct knowledge.”
 
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Dan Mullen hired as head coach in Gainesville

(He was there as OC during the Leak and Tebow pair of NCAA titles)
 

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Dan Mullen hired as head coach in Gainesville

(He was there as OC during the Leak and Tebow pair of NCAA titles)
On the ESPN Campus convo podcast, Ivan Maisel said Mullin didn't get along with longtime former AD Jeremy Foley when they were both at UF, so that's why he was passed over in favor of Muschamp and McElwain. UF got a new AD last year.
 

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I've talked to a few UT friends and they're irate about this hire. Between his so so record and the Penn State connections they're ready to burn all of their Vols gear.
Well, Schiano to Tennessee is off, so they're probably a lot happier now.
 

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Maybe Pitino can take up college football coaching - the Vols fan base deserves someone like him after the gas lighting of Greg Schiano.
 

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What a ridiculous situation that is with Schiano. The UT fans have such a distorted view of themselves and their program. It hasn't been relevant in 15 years. They have 1 top 10 finish this century. I think a lot of the backlash is not connected to his past at Penn State but that they are pissed that Gruden is not the coach. That was never going to happen. Tennessee is not a destination job and no top coaches are going to consider it in part because of the unrealistic expectations.
 

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What a ridiculous situation that is with Schiano. The UT fans have such a distorted view of themselves and their program. It hasn't been relevant in 15 years. They have 1 top 10 finish this century. I think a lot of the backlash is not connected to his past at Penn State but that they are pissed that Gruden is not the coach. That was never going to happen. Tennessee is not a destination job and no top coaches are going to consider it in part because of the unrealistic expectations.
You nailed it. Delusional fan base. They’ve got their heart set on a guy that hasn’t coached in 10 years. Clay Travis is going to spend all week patting himself on the back as if he has any clue what he’s talking about.
 

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I don't know. I think the Gruden stuff is part of it (the media's narrative), and I think there's something to being put off by Schiano's supposed Sandusky knowledge (the #SchiaNO narrative), but I think what's also driving this is that Schiano just feels way too similar to Butch Jones in terms of personality. It wouldn't feel like a fresh start. I don't think they light the pitchforks for, say, Mike Leach, who FootballScoop believed would have taken it if offered.

It will be interesting to see the reaction of the fan base when they move on to Plan D. It will also be interesting to see if Schiano lands somewhere else, or if this reaction poisons him for other schools too. I think both Tennessee and Schiano are worse off today than they were 24 hours ago.
 

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I doubt this does a whole lot to Schiano. The guy was vetted by the NFL and Ohio state well after the Sandusky case. If he was so damaged because of that, he never would have landed those jobs.

This is far far worse and more embarrassing for Tennessee. They look spineless and clueless.
 

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I don’t see why Jimbo is going to leave the best school in America to move to Texas. Sounds like bullshit.
 

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Yeah, I'm not saying Schiano should be disqualified. And I'm not saying that the fan base doesn't have unrealistic expectations. I'm just saying that the fact Schiano and Butch Jones look like they're cut from the exact same cloth played a big role. I sort of doubt the pitchforks come out for Art Briles with the same ferocity. The reaction to the next coach, who will almost assuredly be no higher profile, will be interesting.
 

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There is absolutely nothing to the Sandusky allegations - McQueary said that Bradley told him that he heard Schiano knew about the abuse - double hearsay about a rumor is about as unreliable as you get.

https://sports.yahoo.com/tennessee-fans-proof-attack-greg-schianos-reputation-mob-anger-015951492.html

It was clearly just an excuse to try to bully the school because the delusional and insane fans wants someone else they will never hire.
doesn't make it not true.

Knowing what we know about Sandusky, is it that hard to imagine that Schiano saw something in the locker room that would make him pale? And if so, that he would tell Bradley? And that Bradley would remember it?

Is it hearsay? Of course. But this isn't a criminal trial and just because something is hearsay doesn't make it true. I prosecute child abuse and neglect cases (non criminal court) and I win cases based on exactly those kinds of statements all the time.

I have a hard time believing that Schiano, as an assistant coach at the time under Sandusky, didn't know about what was happening. I have no idea what the delusions of the Tennessee fanbase are or whether or not this is a smoke screen, but so far as I'm concerned, there should be an outcry over Schiano. I'm glad Tennessee seems to be willing to do what Republicans and Democrats seem unable to do.
 

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doesn't make it not true.

Knowing what we know about Sandusky, is it that hard to imagine that Schiano saw something in the locker room that would make him pale? And if so, that he would tell Bradley? And that Bradley would remember it?

Is it hearsay? Of course. But this isn't a criminal trial and just because something is hearsay doesn't make it true. I prosecute child abuse and neglect cases (non criminal court) and I win cases based on exactly those kinds of statements all the time.

I have a hard time believing that Schiano, as an assistant coach at the time under Sandusky, didn't know about what was happening. I have no idea what the delusions of the Tennessee fanbase are or whether or not this is a smoke screen, but so far as I'm concerned, there should be an outcry over Schiano. I'm glad Tennessee seems to be willing to do what Republicans and Democrats seem unable to do.
You win civil child abuse and neglect cases over double hearsay, with that type of story?Do the rules of evidence not apply in your state? It’s unfathomable this would be sufficient in the eyes of some to convict Schiano, especially since McQueary wasn’t even at Penn State when Schiano was and Bradley denied ever making that statement. I personally don’t like anything Penn State or have any feelings for Schiano, but this is crazy.

I’m glad I don’t practice in that area wherever you are - I’d give my bar cards back if that was the standard.
 

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admin law with a preponderance standard. Both sides all kinds of hearsay into the record. It would definitely not be admissible to convict in criminal court. That being said, UT hiring a coach isn't a criminal trial bound by rules of evidence and the admissibility of hearsay. You simply cannot say "there is absolutely nothing to the Sandusky allegations" just because something wouldn't be admissible in a trial. It is absolutely true that it isn't an ironclad smoking gun kind of statement, and reasonable minds can differ as to whether or not to believe such a statement. But as I said initially, just because it is hearsay doesn't mean it is false.
 

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The Penn St stuff is a convenient excuse for a guy who couldn't move a needle with an industrial electromagnet.

Vol fans are delusional in their expectations, but they aren't delusional in wanting a more exciting coach. Outside of one year with Kiffin, they've been handed milquetoast coaches for a decade. How their admin didn't recognize that and offered Schiano instead of Leach is beyond me. They should have hired Leach when Fulmer left in 2008.
 

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Why would McQueary lie?

The Penn State episode is so noxious that anyone even tangentially involved is going to stink.

I don't blame Tennessee fans at all. Do I believe the Schiano outrage is 100% because of Penn State? No, but I do believe a lot of their rejection stems from it.

I'm not going to cry for Greg Schiano in this situation. He's landed on his feet, is making a tidy sum at OSU and it may be more than he deserves.
 

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I wonder why the Vol fans didn't have this type of outrage when the whole Manning/trainer saga was being played out recently. They trashed her and chose to side with Archie and Peyton when there was more evidence than there is with Schiano.

I have no doubt that there are a lot of UT fans that didn't want him purely because of the PSU baggage. However, I also believe there is a big segment of the fanbase that used it as a convenient excuse to go ballistic over a so so hire. Replace Schiano's name with Gruden or Mullen and most of their fans would've overlooked any past incidents.
 

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What a ridiculous situation that is with Schiano. The UT fans have such a distorted view of themselves and their program. It hasn't been relevant in 15 years. They have 1 top 10 finish this century. I think a lot of the backlash is not connected to his past at Penn State but that they are pissed that Gruden is not the coach. That was never going to happen. Tennessee is not a destination job and no top coaches are going to consider it in part because of the unrealistic expectations.
Nick Saban makes people crazy. Not only by setting an impossibly high bar but also by being, literally, the savior.

More than a few SEC people probably remember well the disaster that was Alabama under Mike Shula. They probably figure that if Alabama can recover from that, we too can become relevant to the national title hunt and beat Alabama every once in a while.

Good luck with that, but that's what driving the expectations -- all we need is the next Saban.
 

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To piggyback, Bruce Feldman of SI is saying Tee Martin has a lot of support for that reason
 

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Nick Saban makes people crazy. Not only by setting an impossibly high bar but also by being, literally, the savior.

More than a few SEC people probably remember well the disaster that was Alabama under Mike Shula. They probably figure that if Alabama can recover from that, we too can become relevant to the national title hunt and beat Alabama every once in a while.

Good luck with that, but that's what driving the expectations -- all we need is the next Saban.
That's why it's going to be hard going forward for other SEC schools to get top candidates to go to their program. Why go to a place where 10-2 and 9-3 isn't good enough and in 4 years you're fired because of no national title?
 

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Joel Klatt‏Verified account @joelklatt 39m39 minutes ago
Tennessee is now having to focus on coaches with "Tennessee ties" because no one else will touch that job with a ten foot pole...You were led by emotional hypocrites with a severe lack of football knowledge that incited an internet mob...you made your bed, now go to sleep!
Is Tee Martin ready? If he is, he should have been at the top of the list to begin with.

Edit: I'm piggybacking on Ale's piggyback. Probably not the best thing to do after the Thanksgiving weekend gorging.
 

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Bruce Feldman‏Verified account @BruceFeldmanCFB 2h2 hours ago
Am told there's increasing pressure now from big-money #Vols boosters to force #Tennessee AD John Currie out in the wake of Sunday's news. UT source told me: "This is such a hot mess. Just when you think they’ve gotten out of the ditch. They’ve fallen into a much bigger one.”


Michael McCann added on to this.

Michael McCann‏Verified account @McCannSportsLaw 2h2 hours ago
Michael McCann Retweeted Bruce Feldman

John Currie would be a key witness if Greg Schiano sues Tennessee. It would likely be better for UT if Currie is employed by UT in the event Schiano sues. Currie could have much to tell & share. If UT fires Currie, the school better negotiate a non-disclosure agreement with him.
 

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Michael McCann‏Verified account @McCannSportsLaw 2h2 hours ago
Michael McCann Retweeted Bruce Feldman

John Currie would be a key witness if Greg Schiano sues Tennessee. It would likely be better for UT if Currie is employed by UT in the event Schiano sues. Currie could have much to tell & share. If UT fires Currie, the school better negotiate a non-disclosure agreement with him.
A non-disclosure agreement won't mean anything if Schiano sues. NDAs don't prevent someone from having his deposition taken, and a fired employee tends to speak like a fired employee once he gets under oath.
 

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Joel Klatt‏Verified account @joelklatt 39m39 minutes ago
Tennessee is now having to focus on coaches with "Tennessee ties" because no one else will touch that job with a ten foot pole...You were led by emotional hypocrites with a severe lack of football knowledge that incited an internet mob...you made your bed, now go to sleep!
This is terrific. Joel Klatt is an articulate man and has become my favorite analyst in the past year or two. Too bad he's paired with Gus Johnson.
 

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If college coaching changes were a big game of musical chairs, when the music stops you’d have about 6-8 empty chairs. There simply isn’t enough coaching cache to go around.

Teams need to get creative. Find a Dabo if he’s on your staff. Make sure you fill the assistant staff with guys who are top level recruiters. There aren’t enough name brand guys to go around, and even if there were, you might end up hiring Charlie Weis.
 

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Nick Saban makes people crazy. Not only by setting an impossibly high bar but also by being, literally, the savior.

More than a few SEC people probably remember well the disaster that was Alabama under Mike Shula. They probably figure that if Alabama can recover from that, we too can become relevant to the national title hunt and beat Alabama every once in a while.

Good luck with that, but that's what driving the expectations -- all we need is the next Saban.
Saban and Alabama have done to the SEC what BB and Brady have done to the AFC East. Teams will keep wrecking themselves trying to find the guy(s) to beat them.

Shouldn't they hire Manning first and let him get them close to but not all the way to a national championship for a few years before going to Tee Martin?
I’ve said for years that Simmons blew it with the “Ewing Theory”. It should have been the Manning Theory from day 1. Team loses 4 year starter/savior/#1 pick, and with a freshman QB and same rest of team wins the national championship the next year.