2017 College Football Game Thread - Week 13

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If Georgia wins they're in

Not a given SEC gets Auburn in if they win
If Auburn finishes the season 11-2. Beatng Georgia, Bama, Georgia. In a row they are in. Most teams in contention don't have one win of that level, and they'd have 3 in 3 weeks..

Don't thing it will matter as I think the Dawgs beat a depleted Auburn team net week
 

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it's not in a row (ULM cupcake U last week) but yeah, as much as I want to ding them for the LSU, they look great right now.

what could make things interesting is if Cocks beats Clemson, which makes Auburn's loss to Clemson look worse. Do you take two-loss SEC champ Auburn or two-loss ACC Champ Clemson who beat Auburn?
 

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I think if Auburn, Wisconsin, Clemson and Oklahoma all lose next week, the playoff committee might go all Jim Jones, drink the kool aid and call it a day rather than try to figure it out.

And it very well could happen. The ironic thing is the team that might be the most favored next week out of that group is Oklahoma.
 

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SEC champ is in. That’s a certainty

Oklahoma in with a win. That’s a certainty

Wisconsin in with a win. That’s a certainty.

Beyond those there is some grey
 

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SEC champ is in. That’s a certainty

Oklahoma in with a win. That’s a certainty

Wisconsin in with a win. That’s a certainty.

Beyond those there is some grey
You don't think Clemson is in with a win? I keep saying this, but coming into this week, the Playoff committee has them ranked higher than Oklahoma and Wisconsin. You think they are going to jump both of them over Clemson, even if Clemson wins next week and then find another team that has a recent loss and put them in too? I don't see it. If Clemson wins, they will get a chance to defend their title.
 

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Obviously, I'm presuming Clemson beats South Carolina tonight. Frankly, I'm hoping they don't, because if you guys think Jaylen Hurts is overrated, I feel that way about Kelly Bryant.
 
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Playoff seems fairly straightfoward to me:

SEC winner
Oklahoma
Clemson
Wisconsin

If one of OK or Clemson loses:
SEC Winner
Alabama
Clemson
Wisconin

If Wisconsin loses:
SEC winner
Oklahoma
Clemson
tOSU

If one of OK/Clemson loses and Wisconsin loses then:
SEC Winner
OK/Clemson (whoever won)
Ohio State
Alabama

If all three lose then you can start to squint to see some craziness but that's highly unlikely. What am I missing? Seems straightfoward. I feel like I'm missing something.
 

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They just showed McShay's and Griese's top four, and neither of them have Wisconsin. WTF does that team need to do before people recognize them? They are an undefeated Big 10 team. And now they are saying those were their lists last week, but neither of them are still saying Wiscy is missing.
 

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SEC champ is in. That’s a certainty

Oklahoma in with a win. That’s a certainty

Wisconsin in with a win. That’s a certainty.

Beyond those there is some grey
Alabama losing is a big problem for everybody who was hoping to sneak in, since they are better than anyone else. So, for example, the Ohio State path is probably much much narrower than it was a couple hours ago, if it exists at all. So if Oklahoma, Clemson, Wisconsin win then Alabama is out? I wonder.
 

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Playoff seems fairly straightfoward to me:

SEC winner
Oklahoma
Clemson
Wisconsin

If one of OK or Clemson loses:
SEC Winner
Alabama
Clemson
Wisconin

If Wisconsin loses:
SEC winner
Oklahoma
Clemson
tOSU

If one of OK/Clemson loses and Wisconsin loses then:
SEC Winner
OK/Clemson (whoever won)
Ohio State
Alabama

If all three lose then you can start to squint to see some craziness but that's highly unlikely. What am I missing? Seems straightfoward. I feel like I'm missing something.
I feel like that's pretty much dead on. I think if 2-3 of the top 4 lose next week, you may start to see a big groundswell for UCF if they remain undefeated.
 

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Playoff seems fairly straightfoward to me:

SEC winner
Oklahoma
Clemson
Wisconsin

If one of OK or Clemson loses:
SEC Winner
Alabama
Clemson
Wisconin

If Wisconsin loses:
SEC winner
Oklahoma
Clemson
tOSU

If one of OK/Clemson loses and Wisconsin loses then:
SEC Winner
OK/Clemson (whoever won)
Ohio State
Alabama

If all three lose then you can start to squint to see some craziness but that's highly unlikely. What am I missing? Seems straightfoward. I feel like I'm missing something.
If Ohio State gets in over Alabama I'll be shocked (in your scenario 3). I'd bet almost anything that doesn't happen.

Ed: Ohio State has one loss to a great team, but at home, and one horrible loss. Alabama has one road loss to a great team. And if you're going to say anything about champions, remember Ohio State/Penn State last year.
 

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SEC champ is in. That’s a certainty

Oklahoma in with a win. That’s a certainty

Wisconsin in with a win. That’s a certainty.

Beyond those there is some grey
I’d add that the ACC champ is in too, assuming a Clemson win tonight. Miami and Clemson have similar resumes to me (I know Auburn>ND, but not a HUGE difference) so I don’t understand how Clemson would be in for sure with a win but not the U.

So I see SEC and ACC champs in, Oklahoma and Wisconsin in if they win their conference title games, and most likely Alabama in if either of those two lose. If both lose, it gets interesting (Ohio State, TCU, USC assuming they win the PAC 12, UCF????)
 

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Here is a question. Since the FBS playoff started, has any team ever lost their final game before the playoffs and gotten in? I'm asking honestly because I have no idea, but I feel like it's never happened.

I feel like when a team loses this late, like Alabama did today, and they don't have an opportunity to redeem themselves in their conference championship, they don't get in. Shit, I'd like to know the latest regular season loss for any team that has made the playoff. Late season losses are way, way more important to the voters than anything else.
 

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Here is a question. Since the FBS playoff started, has any team ever lost their final game before the playoffs and gotten in? I'm asking honestly because I have no idea, but I feel like it's never happened.

I feel like when a team loses this late, like Alabama did today, and they don't have an opportunity to redeem themselves in their conference championship, they don't get in. Shit, I'd like to know the latest regular season loss for any team that has made the playoff. Late season losses are way, way more important to the voters than anything else.
I can't see Alabama not going in over TCU, Miami, Ohio State or the Pac-12 Champ but I guess we'll see. I'd laugh my ass off if they were left out but I believe they will be in the playoffs and the favorites to win.
 

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I can't see Alabama not going in over TCU, Miami, Ohio State or the Pac-12 Champ but I guess we'll see. I'd laugh my ass off if they were left out but I believe they will be in the playoffs and the favorites to win.
If it comes down to those teams, I totally agree, Alabama is in. In fact, I think Alabama gets in if Oklahoma, Clemson or Wisconsin lose. I think the only way they get left out is if all three of those teams win, and obviously, the winner of Georgia/Auburn gets in with them.
 

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I can't see Alabama not going in over TCU, Miami, Ohio State or the Pac-12 Champ but I guess we'll see. I'd laugh my ass off if they were left out but I believe they will be in the playoffs and the favorites to win.
I think they'd be favorites too. They've had a lot of injuries in November which will be cleared up by Jan 1
 

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Here is a question. Since the FBS playoff started, has any team ever lost their final game before the playoffs and gotten in? I'm asking honestly because I have no idea, but I feel like it's never happened.

I feel like when a team loses this late, like Alabama did today, and they don't have an opportunity to redeem themselves in their conference championship, they don't get in. Shit, I'd like to know the latest regular season loss for any team that has made the playoff. Late season losses are way, way more important to the voters than anything else.
Washington lost to USC on November 12 last year, which it think was the latest loss of the three years for playoff teams.
 

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I think you guys are being a little hard on Hurts. He's certainly not an NFL QB, but he's a pretty fantastic college quarterback, who has been saddled with very few weapons around him, given who Alabama should be able to recruit. Besides Ridley, they didn't have a single above average (or maybe even average) receiver on the team, they have no tight end to speak of, and frankly, their running backs weren't all that impressive either. Their defense has been carrying them for two years, and he was their entire offense this year, after Henry turned pro.
It’s arrogance Saban thinks he win every game with a game manager at QB who doesn’t make mistakes. Run the ball, field position and the occasional deep pass when other team has 8 in the box. It’s like the modern passing game has passed Alabama, and the SEC in general, by

Hurts locks in on first option. If not there he breaks pocket and runs or throws deep. AJ mccarron is his only starting nfl quarterback. And using term loosely.
 

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Washington lost to USC on November 12 last year, which it think was the latest loss of the three years for playoff teams.
November 12th? So, they had to have won at least 2, if not 3, more games after that, including the PAC 12 championship. That's why I think Alabama is on the outside looking in right now. To lose your last game, and not get a chance to play in a conference championship. That's something the voters just don't overlook..
 

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I thought it was so dumb that the Big 12 added a title game and it will be so funny if Oklahoma losses next week. If they ended their season today, they are in. Now they have to win against a feisty TCU team again. Good luck.
 

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They just showed McShay's and Griese's top four, and neither of them have Wisconsin. WTF does that team need to do before people recognize them? They are an undefeated Big 10 team. And now they are saying those were their lists last week, but neither of them are still saying Wiscy is missing.
Play better opponents
 

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If Ohio State gets in over Alabama I'll be shocked (in your scenario 3). I'd bet almost anything that doesn't happen.

Ed: Ohio State has one loss to a great team, but at home, and one horrible loss. Alabama has one road loss to a great team. And if you're going to say anything about champions, remember Ohio State/Penn State last year.
Ohio State also beat Penn State and will have beaten Wisconsin in this scenario. Alabama’s best win is either Mississippi State or LSU.

Ohio State got in last year despite not being in their CCG because they beat three top-10 teams, two of which were on the road and one in dominating fashion. Alabama doesn’t have anything close to that, and they lost convincingly while OSU lost a close game last year.

It wasn’t for a playoff spot, but in 2015 one-loss non-champion (and non-finalist) Ohio State finished behind two-loss champion Stanford in the final playoff rankings so there is a precedent for this.
 

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Ohio State also beat Penn State and will have beaten Wisconsin in this scenario. Alabama’s best win is either Mississippi State or LSU.

Ohio State got in last year despite not being in their CCG because they beat three top-10 teams, two of which were on the road and one in dominating fashion. Alabama doesn’t have anything close to that, and they lost convincingly while OSU lost a close game last year.

It wasn’t for a playoff spot, but in 2015 one-loss non-champion (and non-finalist) Ohio State finished behind two-loss champion Stanford in the final playoff rankings so there is a precedent for this.
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In case this hasn’t mentioned recently, the FBS desperately needs an 8-team playoff with automatic bids for the Power 5 and a pre-determined methodology for 3 at-large entrants so that people don’t have to twist themselves into dangerous positions justifying any college’s inclusion or exclusion - or can at least save it for the ratios or behind the at-large bids. There’s no precedent for anything other than the explanations consistently serve the argument of the person making it. I wish I could just not watch until it’s corrected, but I’m a complete chicken.
 

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It’s arrogance Saban thinks he win every game with a game manager at QB who doesn’t make mistakes. Run the ball, field position and the occasional deep pass when other team has 8 in the box. It’s like the modern passing game has passed Alabama, and the SEC in general, by

Hurts locks in on first option. If not there he breaks pocket and runs or throws deep. AJ mccarron is his only starting nfl quarterback. And using term loosely.
True but they're essentially the college version of the Patriots, in terms of results. So it's clearly working for them.
 

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Ohio State also beat Penn State and will have beaten Wisconsin in this scenario. Alabama’s best win is either Mississippi State or LSU.

Ohio State got in last year despite not being in their CCG because they beat three top-10 teams, two of which were on the road and one in dominating fashion. Alabama doesn’t have anything close to that, and they lost convincingly while OSU lost a close game last year.

It wasn’t for a playoff spot, but in 2015 one-loss non-champion (and non-finalist) Ohio State finished behind two-loss champion Stanford in the final playoff rankings so there is a precedent for this.
I mean, Alabama really had no way of knowing that FSU would be so shitty. That was a huge game coming into the year. Plus with Francois all year that might be looking like a really big win.
 

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November 12th? So, they had to have won at least 2, if not 3, more games after that, including the PAC 12 championship. That's why I think Alabama is on the outside looking in right now. To lose your last game, and not get a chance to play in a conference championship. That's something the voters just don't overlook..
unless it's a team with cachet like an OSU last year or Alabama
 

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I still can't believe Clemson lost to Syracuse, who was like their 3rd weakest opponent all year. Win that, and they're consensus #1 right now, and would be in even with a loss next week.
 

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I mean, Alabama really had no way of knowing that FSU would be so shitty. That was a huge game coming into the year. Plus with Francois all year that might be looking like a really big win.
Same with TAMU. That's a tough place to play, even for them.
 

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I mean, Alabama really had no way of knowing that FSU would be so shitty. That was a huge game coming into the year. Plus with Francois all year that might be looking like a really big win.
What does that have to do with anything? It's not a good-faith scheduling competition.
 

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I thought it was so dumb that the Big 12 added a title game and it will be so funny if Oklahoma losses next week. If they ended their season today, they are in. Now they have to win against a feisty TCU team again. Good luck.
They were told by the committee that it was one of the data points, and it most likely kept TCU or Baylor out in 2014. Some years they make it seem like a big deal and some years they don't. Last year it didn't matter for PSU and they didn't get into the playoff even thought they won head to head (tOSU) and the conference championship game.

What if they didn't have the title game and the following happened? UGA wins next week, Clemson wins, and Wisconsin wins. That leaves one spot for either Bama or Oklahoma, and I'm willing to bit Bama would get in over them if they were both idle next week.
 

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What does that have to do with anything? It's not a good-faith scheduling competition.
Hasn't that been used against teams all the time? 'If you want to get in, you shouldn't have scheduled all cupcake out of conference games.' There's nothing Alabama could have done about teams like FSU and LSU being down. Sure they don't have a huge win, but at the time that FSU win looked great.
 

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Hasn't that been used against teams all the time? 'If you want to get in, you shouldn't have scheduled all cupcake out of conference games.' There's nothing Alabama could have done about teams like FSU and LSU being down. Sure they don't have a huge win, but at the time that FSU win looked great.
I suppose it gets used by talking heads when power conference teams in fact schedule all cupcake out of conference games, but that doesn't actually make scheduling per se a determinative factor. And it's still not the same as expecting extra credit for scheduling a game that could have been tough, but wasn't. The harsh reality is that you'll be graded on the schedule you actually played, not the effort your athletic director put in.

And Alabama's other out of conference games were embarassing under both reasoning,
 

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I can't see Alabama not going in over TCU, Miami, Ohio State or the Pac-12 Champ but I guess we'll see. I'd laugh my ass off if they were left out but I believe they will be in the playoffs and the favorites to win.
I basically agree, simply because its Alabama. But, in a just world, I think Miami should be in over Bama if they beat Clemson. Both teams (Miami and Alabama) will have one loss, but Miami will be a major conference champion and have two wins (ND and Clemson) much better than any Alabama win. Miami was just a notch below Alabama in the rankings prior to this week. Beating the new consensus #1 team in the country in a conference championship game should be enough to get in.
 

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Alabama will need one of Clemson, Oklahoma, Auburn, or Wisconsin to lose their conference championship. Otherwise, they’ll be on the outside looking in. I think it’s that simple.
 

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SEC teams normally don't have to play more than 1 quality OOC game a year because their league schedule usually supplies enough opponents to make the schedule tough. This year the SEC happened to be not as deep as in prior years which hurt Alabama along with FSU completely imploding after losing Deandre Francois. As long as it is allowed, SEC teams will buy 1-2 wins a year.

As for the top 4, I think whoever the ACC and SEC champions are will get in no matter what so there's 2 spots taken. That leaves 2 spots for Wisconsin, Oklahoma, Alabama, the ACC/SEC title game losing teams, and Ohio State. I don't think any other teams have a shot. If Wisconsin and Oklahoma win, they clearly get the 2 other spots. If they don't win, then the debate will begin.
 

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Curious question is if the Stanford ND result helps or hurts USC. (if they beat Stanford twice, but lose bad to ND)
 

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I basically agree, simply because its Alabama. But, in a just world, I think Miami should be in over Bama if they beat Clemson. Both teams (Miami and Alabama) will have one loss, but Miami will be a major conference champion and have two wins (ND and Clemson) much better than any Alabama win. Miami was just a notch below Alabama in the rankings prior to this week. Beating the new consensus #1 team in the country in a conference championship game should be enough to get in.
This makes sense.
 

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So, maybe:

ACC Champ
SEC Champ
If Wisconsin and Oklahoma win they are both in.
If one of Wisconsin or Oklahoma lose, Alabama replaces them.
If both Wisconsin and Oklahoma lose, Alabama and Ohio State are in.