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PedroKsBambino

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That's going to suck to lose Josh (let alone both).

As for Daboll, isn't he making $1 million per year in Alabama?

Moving a family (again) might be a bit much given the stability he could have with Saban.
Given Saban’s age I doubt he’d view that as more than a few years of security. Guy grew up in Upstate NY and spent majority of his career in Boston...whether he like the environment in AL feels a much more likely factor than stability.
 

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Given Saban’s age I doubt he’d view that as more than a few years of security. Guy grew up in Upstate NY and spent majority of his career in Boston...whether he like the environment in AL feels a much more likely factor than stability.
ok - seems reasonable.

But the other side of the argument could present Saban as a healthy 66 year-old with no intention(s) to slow-down.

He has an onslaught of great talent joining his program each year and this success could last another 5-7 years --- which is a lifetime for a guy like Daboll.
 

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As a Bama fan, I’m not sorry to see Daboll go. He obviously had constraints in Tuscaloosa that he won’t in the NFL, but I thought he was a pronounced step down from Kiffin/Sarkisian. Can’t say I’m sorry he landed in Buffalo instead of New England.
 

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I think " the Eli situation" complicates the coach selection process for the Giants as it holds the potential to be messy, particularly for a 1st time HC. Maybe they should hire Mr. Wolfe
 

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Yup - McDaniels in Tenn makes way too much sense. Like Patricia, I'm rooting for him to get it, he's clearly earned it.
 

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Whoa---heard a report last night that they were possibly going to extend him.

Josh might like working with Mariotta and Henry.
And Jon Robinson who used to be the front office in New England so he would be familiar with the GM.
 

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lol they told Mularkey last night they wanted to extend him. Josh must have called last night and said “I will take it.”
 

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It would be amazing if the NYG get shut out here. McD, Patricia, Shurmur, Vrabel fill Ten, Det, Indy, Ari. And Mularkey goes to NYG.
 

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lol they told Mularkey last night they wanted to extend him. Josh must have called last night and said “I will take it.”
#LaneKiffentoTEN

More seriously, that would seem to be a red flag, no?
 

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Whoa---heard a report last night that they were possibly going to extend him.

Josh might like working with Mariotta and Henry.
The only drawback(s) though:

Watson is returning to the Texans.

Luck is coming back to the Colts.

And the Jags ain't going away.

That's a damn tough division to be an habitual winner.

But could be a very good personal situation for him. GM will be on same page and it's a solid place to live (Josh has a wife and young children).
 
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It would be amazing if the NYG get shut out here. McD, Patricia, Shurmur, Vrabel fill Ten, Det, Indy, Ari. And Mularkey goes to NYG.
There is zero chance anyone would prefer the Cardinals job over the Giants job unless they're an asthmatic golf fiend. You want to go west and compete with the Rams, Seahawks, and the resurgent Niners, or head east and only have to worry about the Eagles and two teams whose fortunes are often affected by the tinkering of Jerry Jones and Daniel Snyder? And I'd much rather follow the despised Ben McAdoo than try to succeed the beloved Bruce Arians.
 

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Whether the Titans’ HC job is an attractive one turns almost entirely on your opinion of Marcus Mariota. He’s going to get expensive in a year or two; if he’s not a distinctly above-average QB by then, the next coach will fail. If he is an above-average QB, however, then it’s an excellent job — even though @Buck Showalter is absolutely correct that the AFC South figures to be one of the league’s toughest divisions over the next few seasons.

Anyone know what the Cardinals’ cap situation looks like? They have some attractive pieces; if you can bring in Kirk Cousins or Alex Smith without gutting the current roster, that might be a sneaky-good situation — at least relative to the other openings, which are not an attractive bunch.
 

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Daboll is the new Buffalo OC.

Just an FYi, I don't remember who but one of the beat writers on the radio over the weekend said the word around Foxboro the last couple years was O'Shea was the incumbent if/ when Josh left.
He thought that might have been one if the reasons Daboll left.
 

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There is zero chance anyone would prefer the Cardinals job over the Giants job unless they're an asthmatic golf fiend. You want to go west and compete with the Rams, Seahawks, and the resurgent Niners, or head east and only have to worry about the Eagles and two teams whose fortunes are often affected by the tinkering of Jerry Jones and Daniel Snyder? And I'd much rather follow the despised Ben McAdoo than try to succeed the beloved Bruce Arians.
The new Giants’ head coach is likely to have less input on personnel decisions than most of his counterparts — the Maras seem attached to Gettleman, from what I’ve read. He seems like a competent guy, but if you’re the head coach, would you comfortable with them making the call on an OBJ extension? If you’re convinced that trading the 2nd overall pick is the right choice, will they go along? And while the situations in Dallas and Washington must be sub-optimal for those working there, the on-field results haven’t been bad for the past few years, particularly in Dallas — it’s not the toughest division in the NFL, but it’s not exceptionally easy either.

If the Giants were located in a random mid-sized city, we’d recognize the opening there as the bad situation it is. But because it’s New York, someone who has other options will take that job. Good luck to whomever that is — it’s going to be a long, cold winter for the Giants and their fans, and their next coach likely won’t still be around when spring finally comes.
 

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According to Overthecap Tennessee has $52 mil in cap space. I assume that's a little artificially high (Mariotta extension looming, etc.) But speaks to the situation being a pretty favorable one cap-wise, as you'd expect with the Patriot influence.

Put together a talented QB (albeit one who hasn't truly proven he can do it), a strong Pats connection at GM, and a reasonably solid roster (Casey, good line, Ryan/Orakpo as quality veterans who contribute) and that's a nice combo. Needs a real offensive system and some better WR (or better usage of what's there) but it's a pretty good situation. Remember, coming into this year they were viewed as a breakout candidate pretty widely.

I was surprised they'd bring back the at-best-mediocre Mularkey. Clearly, they weren't actually committed to that.
 

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Whether the Titans’ HC job is an attractive one turns almost entirely on your opinion of Marcus Mariota. He’s going to get expensive in a year or two; if he’s not a distinctly above-average QB by then, the next coach will fail. If he is an above-average QB, however, then it’s an excellent job — even though @Buck Showalter is absolutely correct that the AFC South figures to be one of the league’s toughest divisions over the next few seasons.

Anyone know what the Cardinals’ cap situation looks like? They have some attractive pieces; if you can bring in Kirk Cousins or Alex Smith without gutting the current roster, that might be a sneaky-good situation — at least relative to the other openings, which are not an attractive bunch.
According to Over the Cap, they have around $10.6M, but that doesn't reflect Palmer retiring, so figure $24.6M before other moves. I think that rules out Cousins, but I'm not privy to what other moves they might make. They could most certainly afford Smith.

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/arizona-cardinals/
 

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Rap also says Josh expected to take Colts job:

Edit - Rapshit deleted the Tweet
 

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That's the Colts leaking to try and pressure him into taking it/not looking to TN, isn't it?

Shocked the leak wasn't to Mortensen, though...
 

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So. Flores is all that’s left for Arizona? Or do they go for someone else?
 

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So. Flores is all that’s left for Arizona? Or do they go for someone else?
At what point is it reasonable for a team to say "no thanks, we've lost enough coaching talent this year"? You can't interview him because we know we've lost X and Y already.
 

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At what point is it reasonable for a team to say "no thanks, we've lost enough coaching talent this year"? You can't interview him because we know we've lost X and Y already.
Someone said upthread that teams are required by league rule to allow interviews when the new role would be a promotion. Besides, even if no such rule existed, BB would struggle to attract coaching talent if he blocked his subordinates from interviewing for head-coaching jobs.
 

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and when word gets back to your coach that you whined to block his potential career progression, how do you expect him to react?

It's easy: you be happy for your guys, give advice when they call you next year, and what goes around comes around. Especially when it's as small a tribe as the NFL coaching ranks.
 

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Fair responses both - then maybe there should be a league rule in place like the expansion drafts for players... You can only lost so many (2?) coaches involuntarily per off season. It just seems like a high burden to have the coaches leave - then knowing they have their favorites under them they might want to take. It could literally gut a team overnight if it played that way. Edit: Especially with all the movement this year - when the music DOES stop there might not be much for the Patriots to pick from to replace the outgoing coaches, promoting from within would be harder still if they lose Flores and others at his level.

But as you've just said, even with a league rule - you don't want to be seen as preventing advancement. This could get intense if McD and Patricia take other staff with them when they go - and/or if Flores also gets a HC shot.
 

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So. Flores is all that’s left for Arizona? Or do they go for someone else?
The list of candidates the Cardinals have interviewed, all according to multiple reports, include Cardinals defensive coordinator James Bettcher, Vikings offensive coordinator Pat Shurmur, Eagles quarterbacks coach John DeFilippo, Eagles defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz, Patriots defensive coordinator Matt Patricia, Patriots linebackers coach Brian Flores, Steelers offensive line coach Mike Munchak, Falcons special teams coordinator Keith Armstrong and Panthers defensive coordinator Steve Wilks.

http://www.azcardinals.com/news-and-events/article-2/Cardinals-Not-Trying-To-Copycat-In-Coach-Search/ba199b67-e8d2-466c-a053-d0ac553fb507
 

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Speaking of Buffalo, I wonder if Mularkey is “selling high” on the Titans the way Doug Marrone did on the Bills a few years ago. Marrone looked good when his successor floundered, and he eventually got another head-coaching gig; had he stayed in Buffalo another year, he might have been perceived very differently. Mularkey’s stock figures to appreciate similarly if the Titans take a step back in 2018.
 

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Speaking of Buffalo, I wonder if Mularkey is “selling high” on the Titans the way Doug Marrone did on the Bills a few years ago. Marrone looked good when his successor floundered, and he eventually got another head-coaching gig; had he stayed in Buffalo another year, he might have been perceived very differently. Mularkey’s stock figures to appreciate similarly if the Titans take a step back in 2018.
Mularkey is also a twice-failed head coach where Marrone wasn’t, and his franchise QB taking a big step back doesn’t reflect too well on him either. He’s not getting another job.
 

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Don't sell him short. He's a THREE time failed head coach.
I was giving him the benefit of the doubt with this job, although they only made the playoffs on the backs of a ton of luck and an easy schedule. That combined with Mariota's regression means you're probably right.