2018 NFL Coaching Carousel
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I Know there was a power struggle with O'Brien, but it's pretty damn cold to leak replacements for a GM you haven't fired that is taking time away to be with his cancer-stricken wife
Thanks, it is some of my better work.
I will always think that Packers team was 10 points better than everyone else that season and a terrible matchup for the Pats. A forgotten aspect of the "throwing from the one" debate.
But, it doesn't matter, the Hightower tackle is one of the 3 or 4 greatest plays in NFL history.
Green Bay and playoff Rodgers have always been overrated. That team has always had good receiving options and a few playmakers on defense. As brilliant as Rodgers has been, the fact he has only made it to one SB while being one of the two best QBs in the league for nearly ten years, and always seemed to have a good supporting cast, is a big mark on his resume.
That's true. Of course if the league did the right thing and let the fans vote on what's a catch the Packers aren't even playing the Seahawks in that game.
Here are the Packers' points allowed in Rodgers' playoff losses:
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37
45
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28
26
44
He has a 7.05 ANY/A and a 99.4 QB rating in the playoffs playing a bunch of games in frigid Lambeau. The idea that he's a playoff underperformer is absurd.
Meh.
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It's not like he is lighting up the scoreboard either, especially recently. I don't think he isn't a great player, but I wouldn't be super-afraid of playing him in the playoffs either. I think some dramatic finishes have bolstered his playoff reputation a bit. He's only ever played four career playoff games at home anyway, so it isn't like he has played mostly at Lambeau.
He's played five home games to 11 road/neutral, three of which were in Philadelphia, Chicago and Washington. Again, he has a 7.05 ANY/A in the playoffs. For reference, Brady is at 6.19 and it's a stat that penalizes Rodgers' scrambling ability. I may not be super afraid of a Mike McCarthy-coached team with generally sub-par defenses, but I sure as shit am of Aaron Rodgers.
This would not surprise me at all. In fact, given the BB/Saban connection, there’s a good chance this scenario was already discussed and agreed to.
I don't have a dog in this fight in general but, for the record, those are pretty high score totals for playoff losses. Just for the sake of comparison, in seven of Tom Brady's nine playoff losses the Patriots have scored < 20 points. In 11 of Peyton's 13 playoff losses, his teams scored < 20 points. For Rodgers to have seven losses without his team ever scoring less than 20 is pretty unusual.
Note: I'm not making any kind of argument about Brady v. Manning v. Rodgers and don't want to go there, at all.
Daboll’s previous stints as OC in Cle/MIA/KC weren’t all that impressive, but then again they were all lousy teams.
Come on, it's the annual "Rodgers is overrated because people speak of him in the same breath as Tom Brady but count the RIIIINGZ." Because the point has been made, Rodgers isn't that that good b/c he's only made it to one super bowl.
Rodgers years were wasted with lousy coaching and poor defense. He's done his job and then some and it's constantly absurd that people find a way to mock his resume.
Same. No way they bring Daboll back. He is making 1.2 million at Alabama. Patriots are going to pay him more than that.
I get this if you're talking about the 2011 Packers that went 15-1 and scored 560 points, but the 2014 team? 10 points better than everyone else is clearly hyperbole; they lost to the Seahawks twice, split with Detroit, and barely got out of the divisional round. You could argue the Patriots were better than Green Bay on offense, defense, and special teams that season, though I certainly wasn't looking forward to seeing Rodgers in the playoffs (Seattle was a pretty scary opponent, too, of course).
Smart money is probably on O'Shea but I could also see them running with no OC and Jerry Schuplinski acting as play-caller. Usually the QB coach is the next man up; technically McDaniels is QB coach as well as OC but Schuplinski is the assistant QB coach. He's very inexperienced - only on staff since 2013, in his current role since 2016, but Bill O'Brien was only on staff for two seasons before getting promoted to QB coach / playcaller. BOB had college OC experience, however. I would say that neither O'Shea nor Schuplinski have conventional OC resumes.
I wonder if Belichick will actually "replace" both of them if they both leave. Both McDaniels and Patricia were given the responsibilities but not the title for a year or two when they both got the jobs. I would bet he'd give O'Shea play calling duties, but not the title yet.
And to add to that, in two of his OT losses he never touched the ball. I'm getting way off topic but he's probably the most talented player in history and has performed as such in the playoffs. Degrading his playoff performance shows a severe lack of understanding.
Considering that Brian Flores is getting interest in head coaching jobs and could be a possibility to travel with McD or Patricia as a DC, the Patriots might have to make him the DC if they want to keep him. Flores seems like he would fit the BB mold - he's worked his way up the ladder over 13 years, done scouting, worked with the offense and special teams before being a defense position coach. They also could bring back Patrick Graham. BB had him as the acting DC during the 4th preseason game in 2015. Daboll was also calling plays in that game and it could be considered a test of the suitability of both of them to be coordinators.
I don't have ESPN Insider, but if you do, you can read about how NFL execs rank the current HC job openings.
Quick summary---and, I personally think Insider is reasonable value, though I know many do not.
Detroit first (primarily because of Stafford, though also Ansah and overall youth of team and relatively patient management approach historically); Oakland second (calling Davis "underrated" as an owner and presumably generating a chip to be collected in a future scoop for Mike Sando, the writer?); Indy third (cross fingers on Luck's health, which moves them anywhere from first to fifth); Arizona fourth (old, no QB); Giants fifth (concerns about personnel and weird lockerroom); Bears (Trubisky?)
Personally, no strong quibbles with that list, though Giants are perhaps more interesting given the credibility of ownership.
I agree, O'Shea was also calling plays in Preseason game 4. BB likes to promote from within.
+1. Given BB's age, I think he almost has to promote from within or risk losing assistants down the ladder too. They have to figure his years as HC are drawing to a close and might only have 1 shot as a OC or DC under him. If they don't get it now, then it's a good bet - given the length of McD's and MP's tenures - that they never will here. A new coach comes in and it's all uncertainty. If they're passed over now, they might think a better bet is a younger coach elsewhere.
Adam SchefterVerified account @AdamSchefter 7m7 minutes ago
Packers have given HC Mike McCarthy a one-year extension through 2019 season, per @RobDemovsky.
Maybe Rodgers will finally win in 2020... in New England, when he is a UFA, HA
Packers have given HC Mike McCarthy a one-year extension through 2019 season, per @RobDemovsky.
Maybe Rodgers will finally win in 2020... in New England, when he is a UFA, HA
@pauldehnerjr 4m4 minutes ago
#Bengals announce Marvin Lewis has signed a two-year contract to return to Cincinnati.
Even for this organization, I'm pretty speechless.
Marvin Lewis has incriminating photos of all the family members of the Bengals ownership. No other explanation.
The Ravens have missed the playoffs three years in a row and four of the last five, largely because they gave a bottom-10 QB a huge deal. If they're acting rationally, it isn't working.
The fine print they omitted from the last 2 points would be:
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Hue Jackson, Vance Joseph
Like Mike Tomlin, it's easy to underrate Marvin Lewis because he isn't Bill Belichick. By the standards of nearly every fanbase besides New England, Seattle and maybe Pittsburgh and Indy, Marvin Lewis has presided over a consistent and impressive run, fielding competitive and winning teams year after year. They would doubtless do far worse rolling the dice on someone else.
Making the playoffs five years in a row in the salary-cap-era NFL is a coaching achievement; doing it with Andy fucking Dalton at QB is a goddamn miracle.
edit: someone please name five NFL coaches indisputably better than Marvin Lewis. I'll spot you BB and Carroll. McVay's been on the job one year. Some people think Payton is the 2nd best coach in the league, others think he's worthless and needs to be fired out of a cannon. Likewise Tomlin. Nobody can agree on who the best coaches are, other than one guy so good they might rename the trophy after him. Many coaches are hot one year, panned (or shitcanned) the next. Del Rio? Rex Ryan? John Harbaugh? Bruce Arians? Gase? Nobody, save one, looks good year after year after year. Marvin Lewis's consistency is nearly as good as you could ask for.
Making the playoffs five years in a row in the salary-cap-era NFL is a coaching achievement; doing it with Andy fucking Dalton at QB is a goddamn miracle.
edit: someone please name five NFL coaches indisputably better than Marvin Lewis. I'll spot you BB and Carroll. McVay's been on the job one year. Some people think Payton is the 2nd best coach in the league, others think he's worthless and needs to be fired out of a cannon. Likewise Tomlin. Nobody can agree on who the best coaches are, other than one guy so good they might rename the trophy after him. Many coaches are hot one year, panned (or shitcanned) the next. Del Rio? Rex Ryan? John Harbaugh? Bruce Arians? Gase? Nobody, save one, looks good year after year after year. Marvin Lewis's consistency is nearly as good as you could ask for.
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Agree on Davis being underrated. He handed the LA/Oakland/Vegas situation very well; hired a solid GM in Mackenzie; and now will hit a homerun with the Gruden hire. Regardless of how elite Gruden is/isn't as a coach, he's an upgrade over Del Rio and will help with the fan base as they finish in Oakland and move to Vegas.
Mark has done a great job after inheriting an absolute mess from his dad. I'm starting to think he keeps that silly haircut just so people will continually underestimate him.
I think a majority of takes here about Lewis are clueless, but even this one is too optimistic. I was fine bringing him back after the disaster of 2010 because that was Mike Brown's roster - he made it his roster and got results, although obviously not enough. This is largely his roster and the results the last two years have been bad. It's true that the ceiling is limited no matter how good the roster is because of the QB, but it doesn't help that he's Dalton's biggest enabler.
He’s never won a playoff game in 7 tries. Yes, he was handed a terrible situation and made it relevant. I joke about him, but he did do a good job in Cincinnati to get the team back to respectability. But there comes a time for change and this is it.
Marvin Lewis is hamstrung by the Bengals organization disinterest in procuring talent. The depth of the roster is a joke, which almost certainly is attributable to the manner in which they scout and draft.
Now, can he be held accountable for the emotional recklessness of some of his players? Sure. And coaching decisions undoubtedly have something to do with the Bengals flopping in the second half of games and in the playoffs. But the guy is playing with the cards dealt him -- by a front-office that just doesn't care. Hell, even the Bidwell family eventually got it.
Now, can he be held accountable for the emotional recklessness of some of his players? Sure. And coaching decisions undoubtedly have something to do with the Bengals flopping in the second half of games and in the playoffs. But the guy is playing with the cards dealt him -- by a front-office that just doesn't care. Hell, even the Bidwell family eventually got it.
I am torn about Lewis. Brown gives him some good players but there are a lot of headcases on that team. Brown has never spent enough to make them better especially in a division with the Steelers and Ravens.
Lewis is an above-average coach, so the next coach Cincy hires will probably be worse ... but if your goal as an organization is to win a championship, you can't keep rolling out Lewis / Dalton. Maybe the Bengals just care about kind of competing, in which case standing pat is probably the right move. But they aren't serious contenders without a change.