2016 Training Camp -Much Needed Relief
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True, I still wouldn't feel completely better until CT/MR.
If the initial exam included X-ray obviously nothing is displaced so at least that's a good sign.
Edit: Guess he still has the screw in there, so MR is probably not going to help, too much artifact.
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Do you guys think it's as simple as more scar tissue being worked through? It makes sense if this is the first time he's truly let it rip. Knowing him, he's trying to get on the field as quickly as possible and might not be letting on that it still hurts a bit.
Mike Garafolo @MikeGarafolo 17s17 seconds ago
Tests on Patriots WR Julian Edelman showed today's scare was just that - a scare. Sources say he's OK. We'll see if he even misses any time.
Tests on Patriots WR Julian Edelman showed today's scare was just that - a scare. Sources say he's OK. We'll see if he even misses any time.
Was it even the foot that he hurt and not something like an ankle? We all assumed foot for pretty good reasons... Past injury, they took off his shoe, throwing the helmet, etc... But couldn't you see Edelman tossing his helmet after turning an ankle on just his second day back?
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Mike Garofolo has pretty good sources within the Patriots organization. He's been the first to report a lot of Patriot injury news.
Attended my first camp today! Just a great experience. Of course it was amazing to see NFL and Patriots players up close, but there's a special kind of relaxation and insight on display that's rare to see as a fan -- Spring Training games are games, for instance, more than practices.
Highlights of the day included watching Belichick hanging with Bruschi, Bob Kraft spending time with the Patriots charity folks, and Drew Brees and Sean Payton joking around during stretches.
Didn't see the injuries in real time, so can't comment there. Other assorted notes if anyone is interested:
- Overall, I thought Pats looked a little flat today. The offense couldn't do much in drills against the Saints, and the defense had some good moments but occasionally got torched in the hurry up and goal line drills. Should be noted that as usual there were many subs on the field and folks playing out of position -- hopefully Brady's first read in a real game won't be Malcolm Mitchell.
- Brady got a lot of 1st team reps, and looked decent -- a few good deep balls to Gronk that he dropped -- but hardly crisp (especially after Edelman left). He really struggled to connect in the end zone drills, he threw a pick on a screen play, had to take a coverage "sack" on a zone drill, and even drew an intentional grounding flag.
- Jimmy G still looks like a work in progress. Threw a pick over the middle that someone stepped in front of and wrestled away from a WR, had trouble hitting guys right in stride which led to a few drops. Still, he had at least two really nice throws to Hogan and Dobson, and looks pretty comfortable -- nice tight spirals on his throws, stayed with plays even if the line was breaking down.
- Jimmy and Brady spent a lot of time talking between drills, sometimes with McDaniels.
- Brady and Bennett did some 1-on-1 work -- nothing fancy, just quick slants and short routes.
- Brissett throws a lovely deep ball and had a great pass to someone named Devin Lucien. His short range accuracy needs work.
- Edelman looked filthy while he was out there. Made people miss easily, and was explosive on punt return drills.
- Amendola was in shorts and a t-shirt and played catch with Brady at the end of practice.
- Logan Ryan and Chris Hogan were in red non-contact jerseys.
- Malcolm Butler had a tough assignment today, especially 1-on-1 against Brandin Cooks. He got beat a number of times, but did make at least one really wonderful recovery and pass breakup in the end zone that drew loud cheers.
- Harmon had a good practice. He got into the only shoving match of the practice (with #11 of the Saints) and then 10 minutes later made a nice diving interception over the middle, getting a huge response from the defense.
- DB Daryl Roberts (#27, right?) looked bad. Got beat a lot in the 1-on-1 drills.
- DL Geneo Grissom also had a rough practice, getting pancaked in a QB Rush drill and burned for a TD when he tried to cover a RB (although that's a tough assignment for him).
- The run defense looked solid -- Hightower and Branch blew up a number of running drills easily.
- In punt return drills early in practice, I saw Edelman, Harper, Cyrus Jones, DeAndre Carter, and V'Angelo Bentley. Obviously Edelman looked great, but so did Jones, who was fluid and fast. Bentley dropped a ball in front of Belichick, eliciting an "Ooooooh" from the crowd and impassive whistle spinning from BB.
- Alan Branch is a funny dude. Interacted a lot with the crowd, accused people of not knowing who he was, signed a bunch of autographs.
Here's Brady and Jimmy G playing catch on the sidelines.
Highlights of the day included watching Belichick hanging with Bruschi, Bob Kraft spending time with the Patriots charity folks, and Drew Brees and Sean Payton joking around during stretches.
Didn't see the injuries in real time, so can't comment there. Other assorted notes if anyone is interested:
- Overall, I thought Pats looked a little flat today. The offense couldn't do much in drills against the Saints, and the defense had some good moments but occasionally got torched in the hurry up and goal line drills. Should be noted that as usual there were many subs on the field and folks playing out of position -- hopefully Brady's first read in a real game won't be Malcolm Mitchell.
- Brady got a lot of 1st team reps, and looked decent -- a few good deep balls to Gronk that he dropped -- but hardly crisp (especially after Edelman left). He really struggled to connect in the end zone drills, he threw a pick on a screen play, had to take a coverage "sack" on a zone drill, and even drew an intentional grounding flag.
- Jimmy G still looks like a work in progress. Threw a pick over the middle that someone stepped in front of and wrestled away from a WR, had trouble hitting guys right in stride which led to a few drops. Still, he had at least two really nice throws to Hogan and Dobson, and looks pretty comfortable -- nice tight spirals on his throws, stayed with plays even if the line was breaking down.
- Jimmy and Brady spent a lot of time talking between drills, sometimes with McDaniels.
- Brady and Bennett did some 1-on-1 work -- nothing fancy, just quick slants and short routes.
- Brissett throws a lovely deep ball and had a great pass to someone named Devin Lucien. His short range accuracy needs work.
- Edelman looked filthy while he was out there. Made people miss easily, and was explosive on punt return drills.
- Amendola was in shorts and a t-shirt and played catch with Brady at the end of practice.
- Logan Ryan and Chris Hogan were in red non-contact jerseys.
- Malcolm Butler had a tough assignment today, especially 1-on-1 against Brandin Cooks. He got beat a number of times, but did make at least one really wonderful recovery and pass breakup in the end zone that drew loud cheers.
- Harmon had a good practice. He got into the only shoving match of the practice (with #11 of the Saints) and then 10 minutes later made a nice diving interception over the middle, getting a huge response from the defense.
- DB Daryl Roberts (#27, right?) looked bad. Got beat a lot in the 1-on-1 drills.
- DL Geneo Grissom also had a rough practice, getting pancaked in a QB Rush drill and burned for a TD when he tried to cover a RB (although that's a tough assignment for him).
- The run defense looked solid -- Hightower and Branch blew up a number of running drills easily.
- In punt return drills early in practice, I saw Edelman, Harper, Cyrus Jones, DeAndre Carter, and V'Angelo Bentley. Obviously Edelman looked great, but so did Jones, who was fluid and fast. Bentley dropped a ball in front of Belichick, eliciting an "Ooooooh" from the crowd and impassive whistle spinning from BB.
- Alan Branch is a funny dude. Interacted a lot with the crowd, accused people of not knowing who he was, signed a bunch of autographs.
Here's Brady and Jimmy G playing catch on the sidelines.
dynomite, thanks for the detailed report. that's way better than anything i'd get from the globe or herald.
agree - great report bro! I'm fine with Edelman and Brady taking time off for whatever. As great as he's been, Brady is old for an NFLer and the 4 games off will help him this year. Edelman is small and injury prone. We love him too but a month or so off would improve his chances of making it through the season, and also give some other talented receivers a chance to show out
Michael GiardiVerified account@MikeGiardi 28m28 minutes ago
Edelman running routes with the rest of the receivers. Just planted hard off the surgically repaired foot in wet, sloppy conditions
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Edelman running routes with the rest of the receivers. Just planted hard off the surgically repaired foot in wet, sloppy conditions
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Per Roche, Jules was on the field with the team for 30 minutes then went to the conditioning field.
Mason is such an absolute joy to watch in the run game; I hope he can get the rest of his play to a level where he can be the starter.
Absolutely agree with what you have said. He is a mauler in the run game. A beast that reminds me a lot of Neal when he first started. If they can just teach him pass blocking they will really be set at guard for years.
Of course, that's like saying "he's so good at 30% of his job...now all they have to do is teach him to be good at the other 70%"...
Absolutely. The positive thing is that the reasons he's so good at 30% of his job (balance, strength, coordination, flexibility) should help him with the 70%.
Mark Daniels @MarkDanielsPJ 25s26 seconds ago
Patriots have added a third day of public joint practices with the Bears next week. The two teams will now practice together Mon through Wed
Patriots have added a third day of public joint practices with the Bears next week. The two teams will now practice together Mon through Wed
Mark Daniels @MarkDanielsPJ 1h1 hour ago
Absent: Malcolm Mitchell, Dion Lewis, Nate Ebner, Bryce Williams, Tre Jackson, Jonathan Cooper, Sebastian Vollmer, and Jabaal Sheard.
Absent: Malcolm Mitchell, Dion Lewis, Nate Ebner, Bryce Williams, Tre Jackson, Jonathan Cooper, Sebastian Vollmer, and Jabaal Sheard.
Some key nuggets from today's practice. Nink was back and Edelman was a full participant. I wonder if Nink is going to try to play through the tricep injury. That would be pretty ballsy.
The biggest surprise of the day came with the return of defensive end Rob Ninkovich in shorts and shells with his helmet on. After stretching, Ninkovich made his way down to the lower field to get individual work in, along with running back Donald Brown. Ninkovich reportedly suffered a torn triceps muscle in practice last Tuesday but did not injure his triceps tendon, which would have likely ended his season.
While Ninkovich was getting his work in, another edge rusher, Jabaal Sheard was not spotted Sunday on the field.
Chris Hogan was out of his red non-contact jersey.
Julian Edelman returned to full participation, an indication that his left foot tweak of last Tuesday is a distant memory and nothing more than a scare at this point. Edelman even spent time with Cyrus Jones and V’Angelo Bentley, mostly observing them returning punts. He returned a couple himself, eliciting big cheers from the fans.
http://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports/newengland/football/patriots/2016/08/14/sunday-practice-report-rob-ninkovich-returns-jabaal-sheard-absent-julian-edelman-full-go/
The biggest surprise of the day came with the return of defensive end Rob Ninkovich in shorts and shells with his helmet on. After stretching, Ninkovich made his way down to the lower field to get individual work in, along with running back Donald Brown. Ninkovich reportedly suffered a torn triceps muscle in practice last Tuesday but did not injure his triceps tendon, which would have likely ended his season.
While Ninkovich was getting his work in, another edge rusher, Jabaal Sheard was not spotted Sunday on the field.
Chris Hogan was out of his red non-contact jersey.
Julian Edelman returned to full participation, an indication that his left foot tweak of last Tuesday is a distant memory and nothing more than a scare at this point. Edelman even spent time with Cyrus Jones and V’Angelo Bentley, mostly observing them returning punts. He returned a couple himself, eliciting big cheers from the fans.
http://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports/newengland/football/patriots/2016/08/14/sunday-practice-report-rob-ninkovich-returns-jabaal-sheard-absent-julian-edelman-full-go/
“@Trags: Gronk was running an out to sideline and pulled up limping on a Brady pass that fell incomplete.”
“@MarkDanielsPJ: Tough to tell what happened. Brady threw Gronk a pass, but Gronk kind of hopped up instead of trying to catch the pass”
“@jeffphowe: Gronk pulled up on the first 7-on-7 route of practice. Now leaving the field with trainer Jim Whalen.”
“@MarkDanielsPJ: Tough to tell what happened. Brady threw Gronk a pass, but Gronk kind of hopped up instead of trying to catch the pass”
“@jeffphowe: Gronk pulled up on the first 7-on-7 route of practice. Now leaving the field with trainer Jim Whalen.”
Butler tossed from practice after fight with Alshon Jeffrey.
http://nesn.com/2016/08/malcolm-butler-alshon-jeffery-start-near-brawl-in-patriots-bears-practice/
http://nesn.com/2016/08/malcolm-butler-alshon-jeffery-start-near-brawl-in-patriots-bears-practice/
Cramp caused by hot weather and vodka red bull hangover after friday/saturdays off?
I know you're kidding, but I posted about this a couple of years ago and I think it's worth repeating now: Gronk is on the backside of his 20's now. I really hope he starts to take it easy with the boozing and partying, because 27/28 is about the age where if you don't start really committing to staying properly hydrated and rested, you're going to see muscle (or, God forbid, tendon) related injuries occur more often.
You can get away with it a lot more in your early-to-mid 20's, but as you start to approach 30, rest and hydration start to become a lot more important. We all know drinking too much leads to hydration issues, but it also leads to issues with getting into the REM stage of sleep, meaning his body won't be given enough time to recover properly from his previous day's workout/practice/game. Over time, the lack of rest and proper hydration combined with the continuous grind that comes with working out and playing a high-intensity sport leads to overuse and subsequent muscle/tendon injuries.
This is, of course, assuming he isn't on some kind of amazing recovery-focused banned substance(s). That may help for a while, but I sure hope he starts to prioritize to the next level (in other words, thinking beyond just carbs and protein and more about water and rest) and maybe save the boozing for the bye week and then the offseason.
That must be a somewhat recent lifestyle change. If so, good for him for recognizing the importance of laying off come training camp/regular season. In the past, I've had friends that've gone to events he's been at that have commented on him being hammered (I remember at least one of these being an in-season event), but admittedly that was 2+ years ago.
Is Mike Reiss from Chicago? Heard his voice for the first time on the radio today, he sounds like John Belushi.
It was a bit jarring because I always assumed he was a local.
It was a bit jarring because I always assumed he was a local.
http://www.12up.com/posts/3625728-patriots-finally-release-update-on-gronk-s-injury?a_aid=40396
Minor and no worries from the team or Gronk. You may, once again, leave this silly narrative behind.
This doesn't speak to partying/booze but it does that Gronk used a different pre-camp weight strategy (although it also says it wasn't intentional):
http://www.patspulpit.com/2016/8/9/12414532/rob-gronkowski-has-a-very-gronk-approach-to-nutrition-this-year
From ESPN Boston:
" If Patriots tight endRob Gronkowskiadds an extra late-night snack to his daily routine this year, we'll know why. For the first time in his seven-year career, Gronkowski arrived for training camp at his playing weight (listed at 265 pounds); his usual approach was to come in heavier knowing that he would shed weight with all the running the team does in camp. "It wasn't anything intentional. It was probably because I was running a lot before coming to camp," Gronkowski told me. "Now it's about maintaining it, so you eat, baby! You eat that extra steak, you eat those extra potatoes, all that extra stuff." Gronkowski, who has been dominant at times through eight practices, added that he plans to take a similar approach in the future because he's pleased with how it has gone so far in training camp."
Just seeing this now. I actually wasn't really kidding; Gronk's by all accounts a pretty well conditioned athlete and it's just a wee bit suspicious that he was cramping (albeit at a very hot practice) on a monday after having friday/saturday off. You're of course right that he should watch what he does with his body- particularly as he gets older-the avocado icre cream and the 9 hours of sleep seems to be working just fine for Brady and I hope Gronk does something like that.
Kevin Duffy @KevinRDuffy now
No Gronk for 2nd straight day. Jabaal Sheard absent for 4th straight practice. Also no Shea McClellin for 3rd straight day.
No Gronk for 2nd straight day. Jabaal Sheard absent for 4th straight practice. Also no Shea McClellin for 3rd straight day.
There you go--the early reports that I saw said cramping.
Anywho, Gronk's party lifestyle is a theoretical concern but until he actually stops being, you know, the best TE in the game it is hard to criticize him for potentially not taking his job seriously.
Interesting note that former ST coach Scott O'Brien was at camp the last day or two. There were a lot of calls for Joe Judge's head last year, between the Denver game, Philly game, etc. Wonder if O'Brien will pull a Dante and return at some point.
Mike Reiss @MikeReiss 15m15 minutes ago
Mike Reiss Retweeted Doug Kyed
I'm told this is a team-based issue, not with the NFL. More details needed to learn complete context of situation.
Doug Kyed Verified account @DougKyed
Patriots DT Alan Branch has notified teammates he's been suspended, according to sources informed of the situation. Awaiting more details.
Kyed tweeted that DT Branch told team mates he's been suspended. a few minutes later Reiss tweets that he is hearing it's a team issue, not NFL.
Mike Reiss Retweeted Doug Kyed
I'm told this is a team-based issue, not with the NFL. More details needed to learn complete context of situation.
Doug Kyed Verified account @DougKyed Patriots DT Alan Branch has notified teammates he's been suspended, according to sources informed of the situation. Awaiting more details.
Kyed tweeted that DT Branch told team mates he's been suspended. a few minutes later Reiss tweets that he is hearing it's a team issue, not NFL.