2016 NFL Draft: Day 2, Rounds 2-3

[SeoulSoxFan]

That was a crazy first round. Good news is there are a lot of good players available on day 2, where NE has 4 picks in rounds 2 and 3.

Round 2 starts at 7pm ET.

Some potential Patriots left on the board:

OG:
Joe Dahl
Spencer Drango
Joe Haeg
Cody Whitehair

OT:
Willie Beavers
Le'Raven Clark
Kyle Murphy
Jason Spriggs
Zach Sterup

RB:
Devontae Booker
Alex Collins
Kenneth Dixon
Kenyan Drake
Derrick Henry
Paul Perkins
CJ Prosise
Jonathan Williams

FB:
Dan Vitale

WR:
Tyler Boyd
Leonte Carroo
Pharoh Cooper
Rashard Higgins
Braxton Miller
Sterling Shepard

QB:
Kevin Hogan

CB:
Mackensie Alexander
Sean Davis
#60 Cyrus Jones

DE:
Kevin Dodd
Carl Nassib
Noah Spense

DT:
Andrew Billings
Jonathan Bullard
Quinton Jefferson
Austin Johnson
Chris Jones
Victor Ochi
DJ Reader
Jarran Reed
Hassan Ridgeway
A'Shawn Robinson

ILB:
Nick Kwiatkoski

OLB:
Su'a Cravens
Myles Jack
Jaylon Smith
Scooby Wright III

S:
Vonn Bell
Jeremy Cash
Jayron Kearse
Miles Killebrew
Justin Simmons
Darian Thompson

Plus many more. Here are some of the "best available" lists:

• NFL.com: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000656617/article/2016-nfl-draft-best-remaining-prospects
  
• SI: http://www.si.com/nfl/draft/2016/bestavailable
• WaPo: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2016/04/28/the-best-available-players-for-the-2016-nfl-draft/
• SB: http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2016/4/28/11534098/2016-nfl-draft-best-players-available-rounds-two-three

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[Super Nomario]

SSF, add to your list:

OL Cody Whitehair
CB Mackensie Alexander (and some other guys I'm not as high on, like Kendall Fuller and Xavien Howard)
Edge Kevin Dodd
DL A'Shawn Robinson
DL Jarran Reed
DL Andrew Billings
S Darian Thompson

Not sure any of these guys will be there at 60, but there are enough to think someone could be a tradeup target at 50 or so.

 

[tims4wins]

They're gonna draft Duke safety Jeremy Cash with 96 as a Tavon Wilson replacement

 

[RedOctober3829]

They're gonna draft Duke safety Jeremy Cash with 96 as a Tavon Wilson replacement

I love Cash. He's much better than what Tavon Wilson was. First team AA, ACC DPOY. I think he'll fit the Pats very well.

 

[Super Nomario]

I love Cash. He's much better than what Tavon Wilson was. First team AA, ACC DPOY. I think he'll fit the Pats very well.

How would you see his role? He's a great blitzer and run defender but he's a project as a coverage player, in man or zone. He might be a linebacker in some systems. Could he get on the field on third down?

 

[tims4wins]

I love Cash. He's much better than what Tavon Wilson was. First team AA, ACC DPOY. I think he'll fit the Pats very well.

Yeah he's not a cover safety and may have some recognition issues but he is very strong against the run, excellent tackler, would be a ST maven, and a great character guy.

Or, what @Super Nomario said.

 

[RedOctober3829]

How would you see his role? He's a great blitzer and run defender but he's a project as a coverage player, in man or zone. He might be a linebacker in some systems. Could he get on the field on third down?

He is not a cover safety as of right now. But, I see him in the same light as I see Patrick Chung. Chung was not good in coverage out of Oregon but he developed into one. Cash's strengths play to someone who can be used either as a big safety or a small LB and roam around the box and make plays in the run game and short passing game. I see him as a potential Deone Bucannon.

 

[ElcaballitoMVP]

SSF, add to your list:

OL Cody Whitehair
CB Mackensie Alexander (and some other guys I'm not as high on, like Kendall Fuller and Xavien Howard)
Edge Kevin Dodd
DL A'Shawn Robinson
DL Jarran Reed
DL Andrew Billings
S Darian Thompson

Not sure any of these guys will be there at 60, but there are enough to think someone could be a tradeup target at 50 or so.

I would love any of those guys outside of Thompson. Gotta think those Bama linemen are of interest to BB.

Does BB pull the trigger on Myles Jack or Jaylon Smith? Big risk, but a potentially huge reward.

 

[Super Nomario]

I would love any of those guys outside of Thompson. Gotta think those Bama linemen are of interest to BB.

Does BB pull the trigger on Myles Jack or Jaylon Smith? Big risk, but a potentially huge reward.

I could see Smith depending on the medicals. You never say never with Belichick, but Jack doesn't have the size they usually like in their linebackers. I'd be surprised if they picked him. I forgot Reggie Ragland, too. He wouldn't help much this year but then they could potentially let Hightower go after the season.

 

[MillarTime]

I want to see them grab another WR. Preferably Shepard or Miller (or Michael Thomas, but he will likely be gone).

Official prediction is that the Pats make both picks and take WR Sterling Shepard at #60 and CB/S Sean Davis at #61.

 

[soxhop411]

Hey, Roger thinks watching a young kid suffer and lose millions because someone he knows has an axe to grind against him in exiting!!!!

what an ass

 

[PaulinMyrBch]

I hope Alexander slips. He should be gone by now, dude can flat out cover.

 

[soxhop411]

countdown to Goodell retracting his comments by saying that "he didn't see the video"

 

[RedOctober3829]

I hope Alexander slips. He should be gone by now, dude can flat out cover.

I'd love Alexander at 60 and Cash at 61.

 

[PaulinMyrBch]

That'd be a dream 2nd round.

 

[H78]

Anyone wonder if there's that evil genius part of Belichick that likes not having the costly 1st round pick and instead multiple 2's?

When they took the first round pick away I could just picture him sitting back thinking, "Thanks - didn't want to pay for that anyways and I'd rather have the more-likely-to-be "coachable" players who don't have first round egos."

He probably looks at it as an opportunity to show why he's the coach that he is - he'll make second round talent look better than first round talent.

 

[luckiestman]

Anyone wonder if there's that evil genius part of Belichick that likes not having the costly 1st round pick and instead multiple 2's?

When they took the first round pick away I could just picture him sitting back thinking, "Thanks - didn't want to pay for that anyways and I'd rather have the more-likely-to-be "coachable" players who don't have first round egos."

No, because he could just trade it

 

[Jed Zeppelin]

I think he'd rather have the talent + 5th year option.

 

[( . ) ( . ) and (_!_)]

yes, he could have traded it and there were reports of multiple teams trying to trade back into late in the first round to grab a QB. Opportunity to trade would have been there.

 

[DJnVa]

When they took the first round pick away I could just picture him sitting back thinking, "Thanks - didn't want to pay for that anyways and I'd rather have the more-likely-to-be "coachable" players who don't have first round egos."

Eh, if no one is breaking the bank being picked at the end of the round--plus you get extra year of control. And if there is this ego thing out there or some money issue, you can trade that pick. Just having it taken away? There's no way he said "Thanks".

 

[SeoulSoxFan]

SSF, add to your list:
Not sure any of these guys will be there at 60, but there are enough to think someone could be a tradeup target at 50 or so.

List added. I'd be shocked if Mackensie Alexander is there at #60, but one can hope.

A thought on a potential RB: I'm just not as high on backs like Kenneth Dixon or Devontae Booker, who has been pegged to NE often.

Someone like CJ Prosise or the elusive Paul Perkins (who can cut and accelerate like a bigger Dion Lewis) seems like a better fit. Perkins has NFL bloodlines too -- his uncle was Don Perkins, the former Dallas FB.

If NE stays with all four picks, I'd love to get these four out of day 2:

• OT: Le'Raven Clark (if Jason Spriggs doesn't fall)
• RB: Paul Perkins (or CJ Prosise)
• CB: Cyrus Jones (if Mackenzie doesn't fall)
• WR: Pharoh Cooper (if Shepard doesn't fall)

Say no to Dixon, Booker, Henry. Would be ecstatic if someone like Andrew Billings fall to #60.

 

[SeoulSoxFan]

I love Cash. He's much better than what Tavon Wilson was. First team AA, ACC DPOY. I think he'll fit the Pats very well.

Cash added. Do we need to spend a day 2 pick on another safety though? Seems to be fairly stacked there.

 

[SoxJox]

It's interesting that over on the Draft Tracker on nfl.com, 20 of the top-rated 25 players were picked in the 1st round. Not surprising. But of the 5 not selected, 3 were from Alabama: ILB Reggie Ragland, DT A'Shawn Robinson, and DT Darren Reed (DT). Also, the #2-rated player overall - UCLA OLB Jack Myles - was not selected.

 

[SeoulSoxFan]

It's interesting that over on the Draft Tracker on nfl.com, 20 of the top-rated 25 players were picked in the 1st round. Not surprising. But of the 5 not selected, 3 were from Alabama: ILB Reggie Ragland, DT A'Shawn Robinson, and DT Darren Reed (DT). Also, the #2-rated player overall - UCLA OLB Jack Myles - was not selected.

Myles Jack (not Jack Myles -- I also mistakenly had Le'Raven Clark as Clark Le'Raven ) has the often-discussed knee issue. I think he's gone sometime today.

I love Ragland but the knock on him is that he lacks the lateral speed in coverage. Teams must not be sure that he can be an effective 3-down LB.

For the two DTs, it seems everyone's waiting for a run, knowing that there's still significant depth at the position.

 

[SoxJox]

Blame I on it dyslexia acute..

 

[H78]

Eh, if no one is breaking the bank being picked at the end of the round--plus you get extra year of control. And if there is this ego thing out there or some money issue, you can trade that pick. Just having it taken away? There's no way he said "Thanks".

I understand he wouldn't prefer to lose the first - absolutely not for a bunch of reasons - I'm more pointing out that given that it was taken away (unjustly, at that), I could see him kicking back and thinking "This doesn't bother me nearly as much as you think it does."

 

[soxfan121]

Myles Jack (not Jack Myles -- I also mistakenly had Le'Raven Clark as Clark Le'Raven ) has the often-discussed knee issue. I think he's gone sometime today.

I love Ragland but the knock on him is that he lacks the lateral speed in coverage. Teams must not be sure that he can be an effective 3-down LB.

For the two DTs, it seems everyone's waiting for a run, knowing that there's still significant depth at the position.

Dude, I lost the draft contest a few years back because of Ryan Logan, that bastard.

RE: Ragland - Alabama used him as a pass rusher on passing downs, much the way they used Hightower, and there's a (good) assumption that he's poor in coverage. I've seen few opinions on him that suggest he can play 3 downs. He's not nearly DH's size, or physicality, so I doubt he can do the same things as DH, hence the lower grade.

 

[E5 Yaz]

Myles Jack (not Jack Myles -- I also mistakenly had Le'Raven Clark as Clark Le'Raven ) has the often-discussed knee issue.

Kinetkitch?

 

[Super Nomario]

List added. I'd be shocked if Mackensie Alexander is there at #60, but one can hope.

Alexander would be too much value to pass up at 60, but he's kind of a funny fit with the Pats because he's similar to what they have - not real tall, not a super athlete, smart, versatile. Maybe that makes him a good fit. I think ideally we'd get somebody bigger or somebody with elite change-of-direction skills to match up on those kinds of receivers, but I guess everyone wants those guys, which is why Alexander is falling.

A thought on a potential RB: I'm just not as high on backs like Kenneth Dixon or Devontae Booker, who has been pegged to NE often.

Someone like CJ Prosise or the elusive Paul Perkins (who can cut and accelerate like a bigger Dion Lewis) seems like a better fit. Perkins has NFL bloodlines too -- his uncle was Don Perkins, the former Dallas FB.

I think a lot of it depends on the kind of back. In my mind, they're pretty much set with receiving back types between Lewis and White - what they need is an upgrade / replacement / heir to Blount. I don't know if he'll get to 60, but I think Henry would be a monster for them, just a sledgehammer that would help them run effectively and keep defenses honest for passing game. Teams just didn't have to respect the run game last year and the Patriots didn't even try to run many weeks. They don't need to be the Lombardi Packers but they need to be able to run when teams put a DB on Gronk, which happened with increasing frequency in 2015. They've added a lot of pieces that should help the running game (Mason / Jackson / Cooper, Williams / Bennett) and need the power back to complete the puzzle.

 

[E5 Yaz]

Day 2 Mock predictions

USA Today

60. New England Patriots – Kamalei Correa, OLB, Boise State: He’s got a nose for quarterbacks, and the Patriots need to reload on the edge after shipping leading sacker Chandler Jones to Arizona.
61. Patriots (from Arizona Cardinals) – Jaylon Smith, LB, Notre Dame: If any team can afford to redshirt Smith for a year as he recovers from nerve and ligament damage and in his knee, it’s New England, which would ultimately emerge stronger with this ultra-talented, scheme-diverse and highly intelligent player. A year from now, Smith could be manning the middle retired Jerod Mayo used to patrol so well while showing everyone why he just might be this draft's premier talent.

SI
60. Kenneth Dixon, RB, Louisiana Tech
61. Javon Hargrave, DT, South Carolina State
New England’s first foray into the 2016 draft sees Bill Belichick land a couple of high-upside impact players: Dixon, maybe the best three-down back in this class outside of Elliott, and Hargrave, a nimble playmaker up front.

91. Jordan Jenkins, LB, Georgia
96. Jaylon Smith, LB, Notre Dame

NFL.com
60. Derrick Henry, RB, Alabama
61. Maliek Collins, DT, Nebraska
91. Jordan Jenkins, LB, Georgia
96. Cyrus Jones, CB, Alabama

 

[ElcaballitoMVP]

Cash added. Do we need to spend a day 2 pick on another safety though? Seems to be fairly stacked there.

Please add Darian Thompson (S, Boise St), Vonn Bell (S, OSU) and Myles Killebrew (So Utah). It appears we do want to spend a day 2 pick on the position.

Edit- looks like you've got Thompson on there.

 

[SeoulSoxFan]

Please add Darian Thompson (S, Boise St), Vonn Bell (S, OSU) and Myles Killebrew (So Utah). It appears we do want to spend a day 2 pick on the position.

Edit- looks like you've got Thompson on there.

Added. Miles Killebrew is really fun to watch. What a missile.

 

[tims4wins]

FYI Cash isn't a DE, he is a S...

 

[SeoulSoxFan]

FYI Cash isn't a DE, he is a S...

Tx, t4w.

 

[E5 Yaz]

 

[Shelterdog]

Please add Darian Thompson (S, Boise St), Vonn Bell (S, OSU) and Myles Killebrew (So Utah). It appears we do want to spend a day 2 pick on the position.

Edit- looks like you've got Thompson on there.

Any other names to look out for?

 

[dcmissle]

What round Kevin Hogan? Have a feeling he's headed our way.

 

[RedOctober3829]

Mike Loyko ‏@NEPD_Loyko 2m2 minutes ago
Per @tomecurran #Patriots would be willing to roll the dice on Myles Jack if he fell, but there's a lot more concern about Jaylon Smith

 

[Shelterdog]

What round Kevin Hogan? Have a feeling he's headed our way.

I take it you haven't seen his throwing motion? It's ugly. Other than that he'd be great.

I think somebody picks him in the fourth; I doubt the pats would pick up a second back up QB (particularly one with crappy mechanics) that early.

 

[tims4wins]

I take it you haven't seen his throwing motion? It's ugly. Other than that he'd be great.

I think somebody picks him in the fourth; I doubt the pats would pick up a second back up QB (particularly one with crappy mechanics) that early.

They picked a "2nd backup QB" in the 2nd round in 2014

Edit: but I think they are more likely to take a Jake Rudock type in the 6th round than use a day 2 pick on Hogan

 

[Shelterdog]

They picked a "2nd backup QB" in the 2nd round in 2014

Edit: but I think they are more likely to take a Jake Rudock type in the 6th round than use a day 2 pick on Hogan

I'd argued that they picked their primary backup QB in 2014, we just didn't know it because they hadn't traded Mallet for peanuts yet. Now if Jimmy G sucks they might draft his replacement in which case I would almost expect to see them pick someone in round two or three.

 

[E5 Yaz]

Nick Wagoner ESPN Staff Writer
Former Rams quarterbacks Vince Ferragamo and Jim Everett welcomed new quarterback Jared Goff to Los Angeles on Friday.

***

They were the skycap and taxi driver available when he landed

 

[E5 Yaz]

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 1h1 hour ago
#Browns at 32, #Titans at 33 and #Cowboys at 34 are getting plenty of phone calls about trades.

 

[ElcaballitoMVP]

Any other names to look out for?

Nope. I'll let you guys know if that changes. Hoping to get more once the draft gets rolling again.

 

[Steve Dillard]

Hey, Roger thinks watching a young kid suffer and lose millions because someone he knows has an axe to grind against him in exiting!!!!

what an ass

Umm, didn't he suspend the Ohio State QB Tyrelle Pryor for his tattoo violations in college? If so, should he not be measuring the punishment for Tunsil violating the NCAA rules.
In announcing Pryor's eligibility and suspension Thursday, the league said NFL teams "were informed that Pryor made decisions that undermine the integrity of the eligibility rules for the NFL Draft."

Teaff applauded the NFL's decision to carry over Pryor's suspension, noting that the college coaching fraternity felt very strongly about the issue and has reached out specifically on the idea of having NCAA suspensions carry over to the NFL.

"They've held true with what we asked them to do," Teaff said. "The NFL has indicated that they will honor the penalties imposed on any student-athlete."

Count former University of Florida coach Urban Meyer among those in favor of the NFL's decision.

"I'm not an expert on exactly what happened at Ohio State, but I agree with the NFL that we have to be careful about people involved in NCAA issues having the ability to just leave and jump to the NFL with no recourse," Meyer said.

 

[RedOctober3829]

Would anybody trade up for Noah Spence?

 

[shoosh77]

Why is this ahole back on my TV?

 

[Sportsbstn]

Why is this ahole back on my TV?

He is protecting the integrity of the draft

 

[shoosh77]

And please, members of the Twitterverse, you can spoil picks

 

[BigSoxFan]

Wow - way too early for Jaylon Smith