2016 NFL Coaching Carousel
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Yeah it will be interesting to see what Wade does. He's a 1-gap 3-4 guy through and through and the Rams are built for a 4-3.
I'm sad to see him leave Denver, but apparently he wanted to be one of the top paid coordinators in the league and the Broncos feel like DBs coach Joe Woods is a rockstar who they need to keep. Having a Wade take the LA job allows them to promote Woods (not official yet, but expected).
Both Vance Joseph and Joe Woods have coached under Wade, so we'll now see if they learned how to succeed.
Mike McCoy will be OC, so Denver's core staff seems set. I'm fine with these moves even though keeping Wade would have been my preference. I like the concept of Joseph as "leader of men" and then letting the coordinators run plays. Head coaches (especially brand new ones) who are also calling plays on one side make me nervous. That would have been a worry for me with Kyle Shanahan.
There isn't really that much difference between a 1-gap 3-4 and a 4-3 though. A 2-gap 3-4 is pretty different from a 4-3, but nobody 2-gaps a lot anymore.
Yeah, the "head coach as playcaller" thing never made a lot of sense to me.
The source of this rumor is, of course, anathema to all of us but the substance is kind of interesting...Kravitz suggests Colts may have approached Gruden about coaching Colts and Peyton as being their 'John Elway' role.
http://www.wthr.com/article/kravitz-its-irsays-turn-at-bat-either-he-hits-it-way-out-of-the-park…or-whiffs-badly
Of course he also says this:
http://www.wthr.com/article/kravitz-its-irsays-turn-at-bat-either-he-hits-it-way-out-of-the-park…or-whiffs-badly
Of course he also says this:
He also says that Gruden "won a Super Bowl in Tampa and would have gone to another except for the Tuck Rule Game." First of all, lots of coaches would have gone to lots of extra Super Bowls if they hadn't lost playoff games. Second of all, either he is apparently 100% sure Oakland would have gone into Pittsburgh and won the AFCCG, or he doesn't know what round the Snow Game was even though he is supposedly a professional professional football writer.
Just heard on TSH that McDaniels has taken his name out of consideration for the SF job per Jason La Canfora.
Also Rob Ryan is interviewing for the Redskins D coordinator job. When will teams learn not to give the keys to a defense to Rob Ryan anymore?
Maybe Josh will be more focused on getting the offense turned in the right direction after last weeks game,
I wonder if BB pulled a Saban and say either take the job with SF and leave or stay here?
Same here. I think its not that complicated.
I have read so much about McD and his family (4? kids) that it's likely that leaving a really good, stable, and really high paying job in a really good, stable, professional situation is better than moving across the country to a putatively "better" job that, while undoubtedly more high-paying, is about 10 billion times harder and involves shifting from Kraft/BB to York/??. Putting his family through a move like that to work for an organization that seems to lack organization seems both personally and professionally risky.
Maybe York learned from his time with Harbaugh like Kraft learned from his time with Parcells, but I doubt it. York is a kid who never had a job. (And unlike Kraft, he's not even the owner.) York needs to hand the keys over to someone who knows football and go on a long vacation. Until then, the 49ers will be a joke.
Pretty likely Jed was too cute with Josh, having Kyle as the hole card; now Kyle will leverage the hell out of this or Jed has f'd it up.
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Maybe during his interview, McDaniels sussed out that he wouldn't have the kind of control that he would need to have to ensure that he'd succeed or fail on his own merits.
Or maybe BB and Kraft came back to him and said "if you're waffling, maybe you'd like a raise?". If the money's closer to being equal, it'd be an even easier decision.
Or maybe BB and Kraft came back to him and said "if you're waffling, maybe you'd like a raise?". If the money's closer to being equal, it'd be an even easier decision.
I was a little surprised McDaniels even took an interview in SF, that's probably the single worst job in the league. (except maybe the Jets).
After dealing with the likes of Kraft, Belichick (and even Bowlen and a touch of Nick Saban) in his coaching career, McDaniels had to come away from a meeting with Jed f'n York decidedly unimpressed.
Unless he was going to not do any interviews, he might as well do several. No harm in getting practice and giving him comparison info for his own later use.
This is a Snyder move - has to be. If Gruden can, he tells this guy to F-off. Imagine the season does not start so well and Rob whispers in Snyder's ear "my brother can fix this mess....."
Not an easy search for DC in DC because:
(1) They can't even get interviews with several candidates and were, for example, rebuffed on Vrabel. (It's a misconception that coaches can move to any job that entails a promotion; that is true only if you're talking about HC vacancies).
(2) Gruden has only 2 years left on his contract. Candidates reasonably view that as 1 year if next season does not go well. Here's where the Snyder angst comes into play.
(3) They have some pretty big talent gaps that need to be filled. If not sufficiently addressed, you could be out after a year. See (2).
This is pretty similar to Jets on the OC search. I actually either didn't know or forgot about rule in your first bullet and only became aware when Jets were recently denied permission
Also, the reported Riddick/McDaniels package to SF made a ton of sense for McDaniels. Don't think I'd go there without somebody I really trust as GM. If they weren't open to Riddick, it lessens the attractiveness of the job. Shanahan will probably have his old man involved to a significant degree.
Schefter is reporting Shanahan to SF. If true, two of the four hot coordinator candidates get a gig, with NE's two staying put. Unless a surprise is unearthened someplace else. (Indy would not be a surprise -- anything seems possible there -- not would it be pleasant.)
I'm wondering if McDaniels was waiting out the jobs in Tennessee/Detroit (decent QB situations, both GMs ex-Pats execs) and the circumstances haven't lined up.
Makes sense. Or a situation where he can bring in / be paired with Riddick or Caserio.
I don't get the logic here. If he really wanted to be a head coach more than anything else why would he commit to staying in NE while Detroit and Indy are still up in the air?
I'll guess that he took himself out of the running because he decided he didn't want that job.
The Riddick pairing in SF made sense. Nobody with options is going there as HC w/o iron clad commitments and a strong GM. There are more than a few sad sack tales in the NFL, but nothing more stunning than the criminal dismantling of the Harbaugh 49ers.
Meanwhile, forget the Inauguration. Shanahan > SF, probably with the old man, is going to set off a shitstorm of wild speculation in Washington, which given some of the dynamics here and Danny Synder's track record will not be beyond the pale. Situation here has been curious for a while and gets more so by the day.
Remember when Chip Kelly said he would never leave Oregon? Or when Nick Saban said he had no interest in leaving Miami?
I'm not calling McDaniels out as being as big a wand as those folks, but a press release such as this (on the day when the guy who would get the job was named) always strikes me as:
A) Kind of disingenuous. If Kyle Shanahan's wife runs him over with her Tacoma tomorrow, is McDaniel not taking Jed York's calls? If Jim Irsay gets turned down by Jim Harbaugh next week, do you think he won't call McDaniels' folks if he is interested? If Todd Bowles falls down a mineshaft, do you honestly believe that McDaniels wouldn't run over Kyle Shanahan in his wife's Tacoma on the way to Metlife to become the HC of the NYJ? I'm skeptical.
B) more like PR pieces than policy statements. So McDaniel is now going to focus on the Patriots postseason chances?? Oh. I imagine that is a big change. bill Belichick strikes me as a real laid back boss.
Why would an OC ever say they were staying unless they were staying? Who is he trying to reassure? The fans? Brady? Belichick? Or you think he's really really embarrassed to not get this particular job and is sourgraping? I mean, he's declined to interview for jobs before, and previously interviewed for a job in 2014 and took himself out of the running before the hire (Browns) so this isn't all that weird for McDaniels. I think he recognized he fucked up in Denver and is now being incredibly careful and is incredibly ambivalent but I'm basing that on nothing besides my incredible understanding of the human condition.
Shanahan can now demand whatever McDaniels failed to get in SF, or Jed will look like a buffoon.
I think Yammers points are generally true. And it is a hell of a coincidence that all this happened the same day.
But your points are really potent too. If the next MCDaniels HC experience is a high profile failure, he is probably done as a HC in the NFL -- and there is no such thing as a low profile failure in SF. In this respect he and kid Shanahan are not similarly situated.
It is a great city with a great tradition and a great fan base. It's also a very high risk situation and someone in Josh's position should be very disciplined in mitigating that risk, or just walk away.
Kind of interesting to imagine the negotiating advice from BB and Shanahan, Sr--guys who've been around the block.
So Yam was "generally true" but I was "really potent"? I'll take that. Thank you.
Per sources, the Texans are promoting LBs coach Mike Vrabel to defensive coordinator. Romeo Crennel expected to stay, likely as ass't HC.
That's a demotion for Crennel, whatever the title. Assistant HC is a title, not a job description.
It's a demotion in a vacuum. What likely is the case is that Houston wanted to reward Vrabel with a raise and a new title. Crennel is getting old and probably didn't want to commit long-term.
Tim Kawakami with some information regarding the 49ers and McDaniels.
Tim Kawakami @timkawakami 3h3 hours ago
I can sense these from a mile away: The 49ers' hiring presser (Shanahan or whoever) will turn into an unofficial Bash McDaniels event.
Tim Kawakami @timkawakami 2h2 hours ago
Sounds like there was at least one major problem when McDaniels and Riddick started negotiations with the 49ers. That'd be: Paraag Marathe.
Tim Kawakami @timkawakami 2h2 hours ago
And yes, there were some negotiations between the 49ers and McDaniels, who was Jed's guy from the outset.
Tim Kawakami @timkawakami 2h2 hours ago
As discussed last week, McDaniels proved to be the best 49ers candidate by understanding exactly what's wrong with the 49ers. And exiting.
Tim Kawakami @timkawakami 2h2 hours ago
Three questions: 1) Is Kyle Shanahan more comfortable w/Marathe's role than McDaniels was? 2) If he isn't, will he threaten to walk? And...
Tim Kawakami @timkawakami 2h2 hours ago
3) And if Shanahan demands power over Marathe, in writing, or that Marathe can't negotiate the deal, what does Jed do then?
This is from the team website
Tim Kawakami @timkawakami 3h3 hours ago
I can sense these from a mile away: The 49ers' hiring presser (Shanahan or whoever) will turn into an unofficial Bash McDaniels event.
Tim Kawakami @timkawakami 2h2 hours ago
Sounds like there was at least one major problem when McDaniels and Riddick started negotiations with the 49ers. That'd be: Paraag Marathe.
Tim Kawakami @timkawakami 2h2 hours ago
And yes, there were some negotiations between the 49ers and McDaniels, who was Jed's guy from the outset.
Tim Kawakami @timkawakami 2h2 hours ago
As discussed last week, McDaniels proved to be the best 49ers candidate by understanding exactly what's wrong with the 49ers. And exiting.
Tim Kawakami @timkawakami 2h2 hours ago
Three questions: 1) Is Kyle Shanahan more comfortable w/Marathe's role than McDaniels was? 2) If he isn't, will he threaten to walk? And...
Tim Kawakami @timkawakami 2h2 hours ago
3) And if Shanahan demands power over Marathe, in writing, or that Marathe can't negotiate the deal, what does Jed do then?
This is from the team website
Apparently Paraag Marathe is Jed York's right hand man. He has been in the organization since 2001 was team president for 2014 and 2015 until he was reassigned by choice. It sounds like the coach and the GM have to report to Marathe and McD/Riddick weren't having any of that. Good job by those two to not put up with some bean counter that thinks he's a football guy. No wonder that organization is a joke. It coincides with Marathe taking a bigger role in football operations.
How the hell did Paraag Marathe become Jerry Jones without the equity stake? What a bizarre thing to happen to a professional sports team.
Unless the owner is the GM (Jerry Jones, Al Davis, Mike Brown), ultimately every organization features a football guy reporting to a non-football guy.