Isn't the Chargers job the best one left now?
Good D, and a decent amount of weapons on offense if they can stay healthy.
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Good D, and a decent amount of weapons on offense if they can stay healthy.
If I'm not mistaken, the Chargers haven't interviewed Shanahan. (Or requested to interview him.)
Is there something I am missing about Joseph? He has been a good DB coach but was Miami a good defense this year? The resume seems light but I am willing to give Elway the benefit of the doubt.
I personally think it is a risky hire. I would have waited for Shanahan and kept Wade Phillips for the defense.
I can't shake the feeling that the Chargers are going to blow it up and trade Rivers. They aren't likely to be better than KC or the Raiders in the near future (or if Denver gets the QB situation resolved), so maybe they leverage Rivers into future prospects.
I think there are at least 16, if not 30 GMs who are wondering if they should pick up that phone.
That Elway, who surely knows Shanahan well, didn't want him - or at least wasn't willing to wait for him - is an interesting piece of data
Not sure they can get a lot for Rivers anymore. He's been declining pretty steadily for the past 3-4 seasons and he's pretty much an average quarterback at this point in his career. Now that's a pretty big improvement over what Osweiler, Fitzpatrick, or Siemien gave their teams this year so there would be a market. But he's getting up there and has a full no-trade clause in his contract.
Whoever gets the LA gig probably has the inside track on Wade; his daughter lives there, and it's a nice place to be, especially when you are old. And, the defense is decent.
Wade's son is on the Redskins' staff. No interview here.
Wade's son is on the Redskins' staff. No interview here.
Maybe Elway is a guy that reads his own press clippings and thinks he has more to do with the Bronco's run than he actually does.
We'll find out soon enough.
We'll find out soon enough.
Awesome. He's so quiet, did not know he's on the staff until McVay became potential HC.
As for Elway/Shanahan, Mike left Denver in 2008. Here's the wiki summary of Elway's run:
"On January 5, 2011, Elway was named executive vice president of football operations of the Broncos, with the final say in all football matters. In this capacity, he reports to team president Joe Ellis and is the immediate supervisor for head coach Gary Kubiak and the former head coach John Fox, who left the team in 2015 and currently the head coach for the Chicago Bears. General manager Brian Xanders was retained, but served mostly in an advisory role to Elway.[53] Xanders left the team after the 2011 season, and Elway assumed the role of general manager which gave him complete control over the football side of the Broncos operation.
Under Elway's management, the team signed free agent quarterback Peyton Manning who had just been released by the Indianapolis Colts. In four seasons from 2012 to 2015, the Broncos won four division titles, two AFC Championships, and reached Super Bowl XLVIII where they were crushed 43-8 by the Seattle Seahawks despite holding the regular season's top offense.
Elway responded to the Super Bowl loss by signing defensive end DeMarcus Ware, cornerback Aqib Talib and safety T.J. Ward for the 2014 season. After losing in the divisional playoffs to the Indianapolis Colts, Elway dismissed John Fox, who had won four divisional championships in his four years as Broncos head coach.
Elway hired Gary Kubiak, his former backup quarterback and former Broncos offensive coordinator, as the new head coach for the 2015 season. Elway and Kubiak also brought back Wade Phillips, a former Broncos head coach, for his second stint as the team's defensive coordinator.[54][55] Elway won a third Super Bowl as part of the Broncos franchise, when on February 7, 2016 Denver defeated the Carolina Panthers 24-10 in Super Bowl 50. This gave him his first Super Bowl win as Executive VP/GM, to go along with the two he won as the team's quarterback."
(emphasis added). Now it's wiki so errors may have crept in, but this is generally how I remember it. I think Elway has everything to do with Denver's run.
Joseph reportedly had been thoroughly vetted previously. I'm not shocked they did not wait for Shanahan to end his playoff run, which may not end for some time.
Update on the vacancies (admittedly subjective and subject to correction):
BILLS: Hired Sean McDermott
JAGUARS: Hired Doug Marrone
BRONCOS: Hired Vance Joseph
RAMS: Hired Sean McVay. Lynn, McDaniels, Patricia, Vrabel, Goodwin, Wilks, Austin and Shanahan all under consideration.
49ERS: Josh McDaniels in the lead (?). Shanahan, Cable, Lynn, and McVay under consideration
CHARGERS: Anthony Lynn in the lead (?). Patricia, Toub, Austin and Mike Smith under consideration.
Wild cards: Bill O'Brien still potentially in play. Sean Payton apparently staying put in New Orleans.
Edits: Updated McVay and Mike Smith
BILLS: Hired Sean McDermott
JAGUARS: Hired Doug Marrone
BRONCOS: Hired Vance Joseph
RAMS: Hired Sean McVay. Lynn, McDaniels, Patricia, Vrabel, Goodwin, Wilks, Austin and Shanahan all under consideration.
49ERS: Josh McDaniels in the lead (?). Shanahan, Cable, Lynn, and McVay under consideration
CHARGERS: Anthony Lynn in the lead (?). Patricia, Toub, Austin and Mike Smith under consideration.
Wild cards: Bill O'Brien still potentially in play. Sean Payton apparently staying put in New Orleans.
Edits: Updated McVay and Mike Smith
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Michael Silver @MikeSilver 1m1 minute ago
Sean McVay will be named the next coach of the LA Rams, according to a source familiar with the search @nflnetwork
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 17s17 seconds ago
Rams are now making former Washington OC Sean McVay the youngest HC in NFL history, per source. McVay turns 31 years old on Jan. 24.
Sean McVay will be named the next coach of the LA Rams, according to a source familiar with the search @nflnetwork
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 17s17 seconds ago
Rams are now making former Washington OC Sean McVay the youngest HC in NFL history, per source. McVay turns 31 years old on Jan. 24.
Beyond his being a young offensive coordinator, what about McVay makes you say that. Are their personalities the same?
McVay will be the next HC of the LAR, per Jason LaCanfora.
Edit: Rams have officially announced McVay.
Edit: Rams have officially announced McVay.
I'm not sure McDaniels is a slam dunk. Kyle Shanahan is still available and he'd be just as good of a fit.
Actually he does seem kind of fiery, I just think 31 is too young for this type of job
Yup, and again, a long playoff run could hurt him among impatient ownerships
No doubt. And McVay won't be the GM like McDaniels was, so that gives him more of a chance to succeed.
Lynn and Patricia are reportedly the two favorites for the Chargers. Both would reportedly retain OC Ken Whisenhunt. Lynn is reportedly on site and therefore would have to be considered the favorite right now.
Doug Marrone better have thick skin:
Almost 30 minutes into the Jacksonville Jaguars’ introductory news conference for Tom Coughlin and Doug Marrone, Coughlin had a mini-meltdown when asked if there would be more focus on winning.
"Is that going to be the focus?" Coughlin asked while leaning forward in his chair. "What else is there? What the hell would you be doing this for if you’re not going to win games? We’re trying to win today. Who’s going to get the better lunch?
"Let’s not make any misunderstandings about why we’re here. This is all nice and dandy, but winning is what this thing is all about."
http://www.espn.com/blog/jacksonville-jaguars/post/_/id/20699/jaguars-mindset-change-begins-with-hire-of-tom-coughlin
Almost 30 minutes into the Jacksonville Jaguars’ introductory news conference for Tom Coughlin and Doug Marrone, Coughlin had a mini-meltdown when asked if there would be more focus on winning.
"Is that going to be the focus?" Coughlin asked while leaning forward in his chair. "What else is there? What the hell would you be doing this for if you’re not going to win games? We’re trying to win today. Who’s going to get the better lunch?
"Let’s not make any misunderstandings about why we’re here. This is all nice and dandy, but winning is what this thing is all about."
http://www.espn.com/blog/jacksonville-jaguars/post/_/id/20699/jaguars-mindset-change-begins-with-hire-of-tom-coughlin
I didn't see it, but is that a meltdown at all, mini or otherwise. Seems like a perfect response to a stupid-ish question; but also allows the coach to be not-hostile with the press corpse while Coughlin takes the heat.
My point was that one of the reasons Marrone walked away from Buffalo was meddling and such from the front office. Coutghlin already has shown that he'll be proactive; so Marrone better have learned a lesson from the Bills experience, or this could be a clash of egos pretty quickly
Yeah if McVay can get Wade to join him in LA, that is a coup. Wade will get that D to play even better than it has, and McVay can focus on Goff & the offense. I think Arizona is on the decline and SF is a trainwreck, 2nd place in that division is up for grabs.
I won't answer for tims4wins, but I'll say the same thing that has been all over L.A. talk radio today: only 30 year olds (and Rams' management -- but then they thought Fisher was worth an extension) think a 30 year old can be a good executive. One of the things you realize as you get older is how much you didn't know when you thought you knew everything. I know squat about McVay and don't doubt he must have awesome qualities to have received this job. But being a HC is an executive position. If McVay is an OC genius that's great -- that's not age dependent and totally see how the Rams, especially, need someone on the cutting edge there (though even at that could be tough to learn how to work with another OC).
But does he know how to delegate, manage, and get respect from defense, special teams, scouting etc etc etc -- i.e., all the various jobs he'll be overseeing? I assume that's what the reference to McDaniels meant. Sure there are lots of older bad and mediocre coaches out there, but there are NO top rate 30 year old head coaches. This is a real shot in the dark. I love the balls behind it, so kudos there -- it brings some real excitement. My recommendation, though, is not just that they bring in Wade P. as DC, but also as a sort of Assistant/Deputy Head Coach type -- maybe that combo could work.
And get the hell off my lawn!
Marrone walked away from Buffalo because he had the clause in his contract that made it profitable to do so when ownership changed. He has no such clause now. I think he won't have a problem working with Coughlin.
Plus with them all getting three year contracts, why would he want Coughlin to play this off as rebuilding years? They need to win now, and they should stand a decent chance of having at least a small turn around.
Jokes aside:
Shula was 33 (when hired in 1963)
Bill Cowher was 35 (in 1992)
Landry was 36 (in 1960)
Chuck Noll was 37 (in 1969)
Paul Brown was 38 (in 1946... in the AAFC)
Bill Belichick was 39 (in 1991)
Andy Reid was 41 (in 1999)
Bill Parcells was 42 (in 1983)
...and Eric Mangini was 35 (in 2006). Halas and Lambeau were in their mid-20s, but they were basically present for the founding of the NFL and were player-coaches in the early days.
David Shula was 32 before 1992 with the Bengals (failure, 19-52), Raheem Morris was 32 in 2009 with the Bucs (failure, 17-31), John Michelson was 32 in 1948 with Pittsburgh (failure, 20-26-2), and Harland Svare was 31 in 1962 with the LA Rams (failure, 14-31-3, later going to the Chargers and going a mere 7-17-2 in 1971-73).
What tonyc said is spot on. I think there is even a big difference between 31-35. But if I were an owner I'd be very hesitant to hire anyone under 40.
Mike Smith has withdrawn from consideration for the LAC job. He will sign an extension to remain as TB DC.
Mike "Cheerleader" Tomlin was 34.
Tom Coughlin's comments weren't a rant. The lack of focus on winning is why he's back in the building and as the new voice, it's important for him to change the tone. This is especially important when the new head coach has been on the staff of the worst head coach in NFL history for the past two seasons. The Dave and Gus "process" didn't work. You don't gut the roster and hand rookies starting jobs. Gus is gone and Dave has some much needed oversight. I'd imagine the Jaguars locker room ping pong table is in the dumpster.
Tom Coughlin's comments weren't a rant. The lack of focus on winning is why he's back in the building and as the new voice, it's important for him to change the tone. This is especially important when the new head coach has been on the staff of the worst head coach in NFL history for the past two seasons. The Dave and Gus "process" didn't work. You don't gut the roster and hand rookies starting jobs. Gus is gone and Dave has some much needed oversight. I'd imagine the Jaguars locker room ping pong table is in the dumpster.
Coughlin already blocked Marrone's choice of Donnie Henderson due to Coughlin and him getting into a fight in TC years ago.
Mike Smith extends as DC of the Bucs, so pull his name from consideration in SD.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/01/12/buccaneers-extend-contract-of-defensive-coordinator-mike-smith/
Edit: And by SD, I mean Chargers. I will get adjusted to this in 20-25 years.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/01/12/buccaneers-extend-contract-of-defensive-coordinator-mike-smith/
Edit: And by SD, I mean Chargers. I will get adjusted to this in 20-25 years.
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If Lynn does indeed sign with the Chargers, looks like it's down to McDaniels, Shanahan or Cable in San Francisco. All three are coaching this weekend.
The Chargers are in contract negotiations to make former Bills interim head coach Anthony Lynn their next head coach, a team source tells ESPN's Adam Schefter.
A deal is "unofficial, but in the works," a source tells ESPN's Josina Anderson.
