Jeff Fisher fired by the Rams, after he tied Dan Reeves for most losses by an NFL coach
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2016 NFL Coaching Carousel
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Jim Harbaugh has 'been there and done that' with the NFL and I would be very surprised if he jumped at the first opportunity to bail on UM after all he has done here. He really seems to be having fun.
Former Dayton Women's Basketball Coach Jim Jabir said it best when he took the UD job after he left a great gig at Marquette and subsequently flamed out at Providence:
"You don't mess with happy."
Former Dayton Women's Basketball Coach Jim Jabir said it best when he took the UD job after he left a great gig at Marquette and subsequently flamed out at Providence:
"You don't mess with happy."
I would think Jim Harbaugh's next landing spot in the NFL would probably be Indianapolis? Maybe if they offered him a job he would leave Michigan (I have no knowledge or any links to support this, only to say that that is a job he might be willing to take).
I don't see him in LA, but the team needs to make some splash next year.
I could see him take the LA job if they give him a BB type role with lots of $$$$$
To be honest, I think the Rams need to be good more than make a splash.
I've said this before, but personally there's no way I give up the job security and lifestyle of a prime college gig for a crappy NFL job. Comfy life in a college town where you're revered as a God and only have to gameplan for maybe 7 genuinely competitive games per season? Oh, and no salary cap?
Anyway, lots of potential candidates. Expect McDaniels to get a lot of attention, given that he was an offensive coordinator here and presumably has a relationship with the organization. Early Christmas gift for Boston talk radio, where folks will speculate endlessly about a McDaniels/Jimmy G joint venture.
There have also been rumors of David Shaw and Kyle Shanahan.
SI runs down the usual suspects
http://www.si.com/nfl/2016/12/12/jeff-fisher-fired-los-angeles-rams-jim-harbaugh-kyle-shanahan
http://www.si.com/nfl/2016/12/12/jeff-fisher-fired-los-angeles-rams-jim-harbaugh-kyle-shanahan
Why would you take the Rams gig if you weren't all-in on Goff? They don't have a first or third next year; what could they possibly have to trade for Garoppolo? This is a bottom-five roster if you don't think the #1 overall pick QB is your guy, and it's not getting any better any time soon without those picks.
I would be stunned if Harbaugh left UM for an NFL job so soon. Harbaugh is already paid more than any NFL coach, his recruiting classes are getting better each year, he has a fraction of the pressure of an NFL gig and he has his son on his staff at UM as an assistant coach. I can't imagine a package that the Rams could throw at him to make him leave UM. Maybe, If he ever beats tOSU, but not now.
So what other jobs are going to open up? Here's my quick rundown; I'm sure others will help fill in the gaps and make corrections
Likely Vacancies
Cleveland -- Historically, most coaches who post winless or 1-win seasons get fired. Hue Jackson has a better chance to beat those odds than most (everyone knew this Browns team was bereft of talent, and the club is still paying Jackson's two predecessors), but if the Browns finish 0-16, I think they'll decide they need a fresh start.
Jacksonville -- I'm surprised Gus Bradley hasn't been fired in-season. The only question is whether the purge stops at Bradley, or if GM David Caldwell gets shown the door as well.
Los Angeles -- Already open.
San Diego -- This is their third straight non-playoff season, which typically gets a coach fired, and ownership pointedly declined to give McCoy a vote of confidence last week.
Possible Vacancies
Arizona -- Arians won't be fired, but he might retire for health reasons.
Buffalo -- An 8-8 season should keep Rex safe; the Bills are 6-7 now. With the Browns and Jets left on the sked, he should get there. It's playoffs or bust next season.
Chicago -- I think John Fox gets another year to show results, but there are rumors about "consultants" being brought in to review the Bears' organization.
Cincinnati -- By objective measures, you would expect Marvin Lewis to be safe; he has led a team without a franchise QB to a playoff berth in each of the past five seasons. But if the Bengals' window has closed and a reboot is needed, is Lewis the guy you want to lead that? And is the Cincy FO's view of Lewis closer to the SoSH consensus than they have led us to believe, such that they will jump at the opportunity to fire him without provoking a public outcry?
Indianapolis -- Most of us would agree that Chuck Pagano needs to go, but none of us would have given Pagano a 4-year extension prior to this season. I'm guessing that extension buys Pagano one more season to right the ship.
New Orleans -- The Saints are likely to miss the playoffs for a third consecutive season, but a coach who won a Super Bowl ring with the club gets a bit more rope. I think Payton gets another year, but it's not certain -- and I wouldn't be shocked if Payton and the Saints mutually part ways, allowing both sides to get a change in scenery.
San Francisco -- This franchise is the biggest tire fire in the NFL (yes, even worse than Cleveland), so they won't get a blue-chip coaching candidate to take the job, but if the Niners lose their final 3 games to finish 1-15, ownership might feel compelled to ditch Chip Kelly after just one season.
My guess is that you'll see six vacancies this winter -- all four of the "likely" ones (CLE is the only one of those that isn't a lock to come open), plus two of the "possible" ones.
Likely Vacancies
Cleveland -- Historically, most coaches who post winless or 1-win seasons get fired. Hue Jackson has a better chance to beat those odds than most (everyone knew this Browns team was bereft of talent, and the club is still paying Jackson's two predecessors), but if the Browns finish 0-16, I think they'll decide they need a fresh start.
Jacksonville -- I'm surprised Gus Bradley hasn't been fired in-season. The only question is whether the purge stops at Bradley, or if GM David Caldwell gets shown the door as well.
Los Angeles -- Already open.
San Diego -- This is their third straight non-playoff season, which typically gets a coach fired, and ownership pointedly declined to give McCoy a vote of confidence last week.
Possible Vacancies
Arizona -- Arians won't be fired, but he might retire for health reasons.
Buffalo -- An 8-8 season should keep Rex safe; the Bills are 6-7 now. With the Browns and Jets left on the sked, he should get there. It's playoffs or bust next season.
Chicago -- I think John Fox gets another year to show results, but there are rumors about "consultants" being brought in to review the Bears' organization.
Cincinnati -- By objective measures, you would expect Marvin Lewis to be safe; he has led a team without a franchise QB to a playoff berth in each of the past five seasons. But if the Bengals' window has closed and a reboot is needed, is Lewis the guy you want to lead that? And is the Cincy FO's view of Lewis closer to the SoSH consensus than they have led us to believe, such that they will jump at the opportunity to fire him without provoking a public outcry?
Indianapolis -- Most of us would agree that Chuck Pagano needs to go, but none of us would have given Pagano a 4-year extension prior to this season. I'm guessing that extension buys Pagano one more season to right the ship.
New Orleans -- The Saints are likely to miss the playoffs for a third consecutive season, but a coach who won a Super Bowl ring with the club gets a bit more rope. I think Payton gets another year, but it's not certain -- and I wouldn't be shocked if Payton and the Saints mutually part ways, allowing both sides to get a change in scenery.
San Francisco -- This franchise is the biggest tire fire in the NFL (yes, even worse than Cleveland), so they won't get a blue-chip coaching candidate to take the job, but if the Niners lose their final 3 games to finish 1-15, ownership might feel compelled to ditch Chip Kelly after just one season.
My guess is that you'll see six vacancies this winter -- all four of the "likely" ones (CLE is the only one of those that isn't a lock to come open), plus two of the "possible" ones.
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Depends how you judge these things.
San Diego is widely acknowledged to be a better team than their record indicates, and Philip Rivers isn't getting any younger. There will be high expectations for the new coach, and I wouldn't expect ownership to give him a ton of rope. You can live with that if you think you're the man to turn it around, but do you really think the talent is there to win 10-11 games in the league's toughest division? If you do, then yeah, it's a chance to vault yourself instantly into the upper ranks of your profession, but there's a lot of downside if it turns out that, for instance, Philip Rivers is washed up. Honestly, if you're looking for instant success, I think Buffalo is a better choice than San Diego if Rex ends up getting sacked -- that was a 9-7 team under Doug Marrone two years ago, and they're probably more talented now.
On the other hand, Jacksonville has a good, young defense, and some interesting pieces on offense (though not a QB), plus the new coach will definitely get the standard three years to show results. And given the franchise's abysmal track record over the past decade, a blue-chip coach could probably bring his own GM with him -- Khan isn't going to let any residual loyalty he has to Caldwell keep him from making the right hire.
That's the rumor but Woody is fickle. I'm fine with it. He's going to end up around .500 over 2 years so I don't see why you fire him. The MNF debacle at home against the Colts could give Woody cover.
SD has good young talent (Bosa, Gordon, Verrett, Allen) and a pretty good GM. They also have a QB, even if only for a few years (which lets you get your next one). Buffalo has no QB and not a ton of young talent.
Oh hey, you know what we forgot about the Rams' job besides a shitty GM, shitty owner and being tied to Goff whether you want him or not?
You don't have a 1st or 3rd round pick this year, because Snead traded them away in the Goff deal.
You don't have a 1st or 3rd round pick this year, because Snead traded them away in the Goff deal.
As far as the Pats coordinators are concerned, you'd think McDaniels would really hold out for an excellent situation with a promising QB scenario and good ownership. Green Bay would be ideal and definitely could be in play if they miss the playoffs...but Rodgers typically great final heave Sunday has them back in good position. Saints, Chargers, Bengals could be on the list if open.
Patricia, on the other hand, is more of an up and comer and could take a less enviable spot for his first HC opportunity -- Jacksonville or San Francisco. Seems like Jets or Bills too, if he's willing to risk BB's wrath by staying in the division.
Patricia, on the other hand, is more of an up and comer and could take a less enviable spot for his first HC opportunity -- Jacksonville or San Francisco. Seems like Jets or Bills too, if he's willing to risk BB's wrath by staying in the division.
Jacksonville has been in a ton of games this year. With an average HC I think they would have 6-7 wins. There is a lot of talent there, they are only tied to Bortles one more year, and the division isn't exactly dominant. Nice situation overall.
Re SF, there's talk about Trent Baalke being fired and maybe even Jed York stepping down and Jed's mother taking over. Not sure who'd want to go in there until things are looking more stable again.
I totally agree on McD. I think GB would be an awesome landing spot for him. He's not going to take a crap job. But McCarthy may be safe if GB wins the division.
Since I expect the architect of the last 4 wildly successful years for the Jags ( Dave Caldwell) to remain, I am hoping that it might mean something to Josh that they went to the same college (and possibly played football together?) and that may bring him (and Jimmy G)to Jacksonville. Yeah, it is a reach but hope is all we have....
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18385313/coach-chip-kelly-gm-trent-baalke-dismissed-san-francisco-49ers
Justified, but even BB would have struggled with that Niners roster.
Chip isn't the problem, it's the least talented roster in the league. Any GM worth a crap is going to want his own coach so Chip has to go, but this shitshow is mostly Baalke, Paraag and Jed's fault.
I wrote this kind of long post about San Diego being a good landing spot for McDaniels. Seems like a perfect fit in terms of player talent and division but then I got to the ownership, and I was like 'I bet it would suck to work for Spanos. Why the hell would he want to work for that asshole?'
Question: do people think Belichick would be upset if McDaniels took the Buffalo HC job? I think if McDaniels was upfront and honest about how he saw the opportunity, Belichick would respect it.
Question: do people think Belichick would be upset if McDaniels took the Buffalo HC job? I think if McDaniels was upfront and honest about how he saw the opportunity, Belichick would respect it.
The SF implosion has been really spectacular. They had perhaps the league's most talented roster in 2012-13 plus a bunch of extra picks in the 2013-2015 drafts. Somehow they now have the league's least talented roster, no GM, and about to hire their fourth head coach in four years.
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ProFootballTalk @ProFootballTalk 32m32 minutes ago
How long until Jeff Fisher tries to position himself for the 49ers job?
How long until Jeff Fisher tries to position himself for the 49ers job?
Good ownership is not sufficient but absolutely essential to success.
Baalke has to go as well, then good things are possible.
Fisher -- that's a joke. A sick joke.
Edit -- another thing: Harbaugh will be coaching for his job next year in Baltimore. He is a master throwing OCs under the bus, but that can last only so long. Bisciotti is no fool.
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I think Jacksonville is also a great destination. Lots of youg talent, owner willing to spend. Only potential drawback is relocation. Only tied to Bortles for one more year. Etc.
I doubt he would want to work for Pagula though. But Buffalo isn't a bad landing spot.
Denver actually would make a ton of sense if not for their history. Wonder if Denver would also be hesitant to hire Patricia given the McDaniels failure.
I'm sure that Spanos deserves his reputation, but it's worth remembering that Robert Kraft was considered to be something of a meddling buffoon until he hired Belichick and had the common sense to get out of the way.
Maybe Kraft really is that smart/lucky and Spanos is truly horrible, but it strikes me that if you want to be a head coach in the NFL, evidence suggests that you're going to have to learn how to succeed with idiot GMs and owners in place.