2015 Dolphins: Fire the Lazor!

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Lamar Miller is a savage. Or a nobody depending on who you ask on this board.
 

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In tonight's game, Tannehill had 5.75 yards per passing attempt while Miller had 7.42 yards per carry, yet the new OC had Tannehill throw 41 times while limiting Miller to 12 carries. The game was close throughout... I just don't get it.
I'm with you. A big part of consistent success is playing to your strengths, and the Dolphins aren't going to win many games with Tannehill airing it out 40-50 times. If your RB/OL situation is dire or you're down a couple scores then sure, but in a close, winnable game with an effective ground game where clock management is key?
 

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It's possible that the staff has determined that figuring out Tannehill is just as important (or more) as winning games.
 

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Lamar Miller is a savage. Or a nobody depending on who you ask on this board.
As always, overstated with a tinge of flinch reflex.

I think the thrust of the Lamar Miller argument was that one shouldn't do something drastic like sign him to AP/Beast Mode dollars or franchise him, because finding another RB that can produce on the cheap via draft or FA would be preferable to locking up one guy, regardless of the season he has when Miami does occasionally involve him in their offense. If MIA was in GFIN mode, maybe you back up the truck.

As a Pats fan I surely hope Lamar Miller gets $40 million over multiple years this winter with 30%-50% guaranteed money.
 

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As always, overstated with a tinge of flinch reflex.

I think the thrust of the Lamar Miller argument was that one shouldn't do something drastic like sign him to AP/Beast Mode dollars or franchise him, because finding another RB that can produce on the cheap via draft or FA would be preferable to locking up one guy, regardless of the season he has when Miami does occasionally involve him in their offense. If MIA was in GFIN mode, maybe you back up the truck.

As a Pats fan I surely hope Lamar Miller gets $40 million over multiple years this winter with 30%-50% guaranteed money.
Right. He's an about average starting NFL running back--which means he's a freaking great player who can do great things and could easily stop being a productive player a year from now and you can also get 90% of his production pretty easily.
 

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As always, overstated with a tinge of flinch reflex.

I think the thrust of the Lamar Miller argument was that one shouldn't do something drastic like sign him to AP/Beast Mode dollars or franchise him, because finding another RB that can produce on the cheap via draft or FA would be preferable to locking up one guy, regardless of the season he has when Miami does occasionally involve him in their offense. If MIA was in GFIN mode, maybe you back up the truck.

As a Pats fan I surely hope Lamar Miller gets $40 million over multiple years this winter with 30%-50% guaranteed money.
No one is "backing up the truck" for Lamar Miller. If you look back, I suggested keeping Miller for 3-4 million, which would be about top 10 for the position. I would never suggest giving him AP or DeMarco Murray money. That would be asinine. If someone wants to give him that kind of money, I'm all for letting him walk. He's also the Dolphins best offensive weapon, and they have no idea how to utilize him.
 

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This team has a lot of holes to fill, as evidenced (again) today. Do some of you still expect the Fins to spend $$ at RB? I don't.
Yesterday they effectively benched Miller and gave Ajayi an extended look as the featured back. In a lost season, I would say that's the smart move. With Miller potentially on the way out, it makes sense to see whether or not Ajayi can handle a larger portion of the carries before heading into the offseason.

Not positive that's a sign that they are moving on from Miller, but if nothing else, it looks like they're preparing for that being a reality.

Dolphins lost Pouncey and Albert in that game and Tannehill was playing behind a bunch of scrubs. Hopefully the Pouncey injury is nothing too serious. Would hate to see him miss any time going into next season.

As bad as the O-Line has been, the defense is somehow even worse than last year. Miami needs an impact player at LB or DB in the worst way in next year's draft. Jaylon Smith and Hargreaves are my two personal favorites.
 

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Not a pretty first offseason in Miami for Tannenbaum. That Parker pick looks dumber by the week in light of the other (many) deficiencies on the team.

I have no faith in him to right this ship.
 

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Not a pretty first offseason in Miami for Tannenbaum. That Parker pick looks dumber by the week in light of the other (many) deficiencies on the team.

I have no faith in him to right this ship.
Looking back at the first round selections, there's no one that immediately jumps out at me that would have been an immediate upgrade over Parker at a position of need. Marcus Peters maybe? After Vontae Davis, I doubt Philbin is signing off on bringing in another talented but troubled cornerback to Miami.

I still like what Parker brings long term.

You can argue that by trading back in the second round, they missed out on Perryman, but he hasn't been great for SD either.
 

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Somehow Reshad Jones isn't a Pro Bowler. I'd love to hear the rationale for that one. I suppose you might as well let the charade that is the game itself infiltrate the selection process.
 

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Somehow Reshad Jones isn't a Pro Bowler. I'd love to hear the rationale for that one. I suppose you might as well let the charade that is the game itself infiltrate the selection process.
Statistically, he's blowing a guy like Kam Chancellor out of the water. He has two things working against him. Reputation and the team he plays for. A guy like Kam is a household name and a member of the "Legion of Boom." No one knows Reshad Jones like that, although he is starting to become recognized more and more as a playmaker. Miami also flat-out stinks and their defense is particularly bad. That certainly isn't helping Jones at all, even though he has played at a very high level dating back to last year when he returned from his suspension.
 

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Fins currently hold the 6th pick in the draft, and with a loss next week, could end up selecting as high as 3rd. With this and the expected "clean house" of everyone but Tannenbaum, it should be another entertaining off-season.

Anyone ready to start naming coaches off their wish list?
 

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This team is great at being awful. The month of December has unfolded perfectly from a draft pick perspective but I'd love to see these guys fuck up the Pats bid for HFA. Realistic? Not bloody likely considering how they're playing in all three phases, but it sure would be delicious to see them put their best effort of the season together on Sunday.
 

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I'm all for letting some other team f-ck with the Patriots' Super Bowl dreams. I'm much more concerned with Miami being in the best possible position to add talent and attract a capable coach. Having a Top 5 draft selection certainly doesn't hurt with any of those goals.
 

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I'm all for letting some other team f-ck with the Patriots' Super Bowl dreams. I'm much more concerned with Miami being in the best possible position to add talent and attract a capable coach. Having a Top 5 draft selection certainly doesn't hurt with any of those goals.
Its irrelevant because we're not winning this game. But screw draft slotting - it doesn't matter when you're dealing with an inept organization, as evidenced below:

 
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Miko Grimes was back at it Sunday, tweeting harsh criticism of Tannehill after the Dolphins lost 18-12 to the Colts. Her Twitter account has since been protected, but not before a number of media outlets had captured her tweets.
"I knew this qb stunk the minute we signed to this team but I tried to keep quiet so I didn't discourage bae from believing in his team," she tweeted.
Of Tannehill she also tweeted: "I should've known we were gonna lose when I heard we didn't complete a single pass in two minute drills this week against the practice squad defense." She added: "My Column: how many people does Ryan Tannehill have to get fired before you realize he's the problem."
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14449812/miko-grimes-wife-miami-dolphins-cb-brent-grimes-criticizes-qb-ryan-tannehill
 

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but, um, she's right.

there isn't coach or more than 8-9 players that are worth keeping in this organization. I think the best thing to do is go the way of the 76ers, trade everyone or release and take the cap hits in 2016-17, go 0-16 and hope there is a franchise QB to draft. Nothing else matters in today's NFL. Trade anyone that won't be part of what might be a good team in 2018 or release them to accelerate the cap hits next year and 2017 when the team won't win anything anyways.

And I'm dead serious about this. why f around? Tannehill stinks. HE will never win in the NFL. hes dumb and not accurate enough and cannot handle pressure Admit it and move on. The o-line stinks. the d-line stinks, the LBs stink, the DBs stink. There is literally NO HOPE of being good or competitive anytime soon. ditch them all, start over, build up draft picks and flexibility and find a coach who is a leader.
 

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When the Dolphins visited New England in late October, they took extra precautions to guard against potential malfeasance, multiple sources tell the Miami Herald.

Most notably: the organization traveled to New England this year with more equipment staffers than they do for a usual road trip. It wasn't a coincidence. It was a preventative measure.

The extra staffing ensured that no Patriots employee would have any reason to touch (and potentially tamper with) their gear ahead of or during the Thursday night game.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25431573/report-dolphins-took-extra-staff-to-new-england-to-guard-against-malfeasance

In any event, that the Dolphins would be such a team to take this action isn't all that surprising, considering the team's executive vice president of football operations is Mike Tannenbaum, who was the general manager of theNew York Jets at the time of the Spygate revelations.
 

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but, um, she's right.
I would agree that she is, but I do question her methods. It also seems counterproductive for her husband, who grades out rather average/below average for 2015 and carries a 9.5 million salary cap hit for 2016 - I doubt her rant does anything to help convince the Dolphins to keep him even if they believe he can still be their number 1 corner.
 

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Dennis Hickey fired. Ross/Tannenbaum 2016

So the coach, OC, DC, GM all fired in separate moves. Seems like there is a plan.

they are seriously going after worst organization in the league. Ross sent a letter to season ticket holders saying coaching search ongoing and several fine candidates. who???? you trust Mister T to make a call? He is power hungry himself

Serious question: who would you actually want to keep on this roster going forward (salary included)?
Ajayi, Landry, Parker, Matthews, Sims, JJames, Pouncey (if healthy), Suh (restructured), Phillips, Jenkins, R Jones, Darr and the placekicker

I don't think anyone else is actually worth what they are due going forward. Most of the guys are simply flotsam or overpriced veterans
 

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Dennis Hickey fired. Ross/Tannenbaum 2016

So the coach, OC, DC, GM all fired in separate moves. Seems like there is a plan.

they are seriously going after worst organization in the league. Ross sent a letter to season ticket holders saying coaching search ongoing and several fine candidates. who???? you trust Mister T to make a call? He is power hungry himself

Serious question: who would you actually want to keep on this roster going forward (salary included)?
Ajayi, Landry, Parker, Matthews, Sims, JJames, Pouncey (if healthy), Suh (restructured), Phillips, Jenkins, R Jones, Darr and the placekicker

I don't think anyone else is actually worth what they are due going forward. Most of the guys are simply flotsam or overpriced veterans
Dolphins next GM will most likely be an “in house” hire.. Which I assume means a “YES-man"

Adam SchefterVerified account ‏@AdamSchefter 49m49 minutes ago
Dolphins director of college scouting Chris Grier is the leading candidate to replace Dennis Hickey as Miami's GM, per league sources.
 

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Dolphins next GM will most likely be an “in house” hire.. Which I assume means a “YES-man"

Adam SchefterVerified account ‏@AdamSchefter 49m49 minutes ago
Dolphins director of college scouting Chris Grier is the leading candidate to replace Dennis Hickey as Miami's GM, per league sources.
Chris Grier begins his 15th season with the Dolphins and his eighth as the team's Director of College Scouting. He served as an area scout with the club from 2000-02 before being promoted to National Scout/Assistant Director of College Scouting in 2003. He joined the club after spending the previous five years in the personnel department with the New England Patriots.
Grier started with the Patriots as an intern in 1994. He joined the club on a full-time basis the following year, and served as a regional scout until joining the Dolphins in 2000.
Grier is the son of Bobby Grier, the former Vice President-Player Personnel with the New England Patriots who currently is the Associate Director of Pro Scouting with the Houston Texans.

http://dolphins.studiotigaapps.net/front-office-bios/football-operations/player-personnel-and-team-support/chris-grier/MiamiDolphins_front_office_bio_iPhone.aspx
 

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deep inside Guido territory

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well regarded based on what? his college drafts? obviously we can't know who he recommended and who he didn't, but the Dolphins drafting the last 8 years has not been good obviously
 

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So Bobby Grier has been with the Texans since Casserly brought him there 15 years ago. Did not know that.
 

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WTF, Tom? Can we get a TD drive here, please? I really had my hopes up for a Top-5 draft pick.

But, anyway, I really came here to post the following: I feel a little bit better about the Parker pick today.
 

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SMFH....they can't even lose correctly. I know Pats were not trying but you have to find a way to lose that game. I love that the announcers on TV and radio were calling out Tannehill for not audibling out of bad running plays.

agree on Parker
 

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Whatever, I loved every minute of this. This team needs competent coaching way more than they need a top 10 draft pick.

Loved watching that defensive line get after Brady. Also, Hewitt showed very well during his time replacing Jelani.

Nice to go into the offseason on a high note. Hope Denver follows through this afternoon to ensure it doesn't go to waste.
 

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Whatever, I loved every minute of this. This team needs competent coaching way more than they need a top 10 draft pick.

Loved watching that defensive line get after Brady. Also, Hewitt showed very well during his time replacing Jelani.

Nice to go into the offseason on a high note. Hope Denver follows through this afternoon to ensure it doesn't go to waste.
I caught myself smiling when Brady got absolutely swallowed close to his own goal line late in the 2nd half, but I still contend that when a team like the Ravens takes "our guy" in the draft, we'll lament this win.

For all those interested in the NFL Draft tie-breaker rules:

http://www.draftsite.com/nfl/rules/

- Overall ties are then broken by strength of schedule, which is a calculation of the combined record of all of a team's opponents in that year, with divisional opponents counting twice.
- The next tie breaker would be record against conference opponents and then divisional opponents.
- Coin flip will occur if tie still exists

At quick glance, we may win the tie-breaker over NYG and Chicago.
 

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well regarded based on what? his college drafts? obviously we can't know who he recommended and who he didn't, but the Dolphins drafting the last 8 years has not been good obviously
“@ProFootballTalk: Chris Grier unofficially is the new G.M. of the Dolphins, per source with knowledge of the move. Should be official on Monday.”
 

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That might be one of the best quotes I've ever seen. Dude might get real estate but he sucks ass at sports ownership.