2015 Colts: Karma Chameleon

[Dr. Gonzo]

Awful thread title that may certainly be changed by the powers that be.
 
Five-year, $65 million extension for T.Y. Hilton
 

 
Per a league source, Hilton’s contract is a five-year extension, with a total value of $65 million. Also, $39 million is guaranteed. (The amount fully guaranteed at signing is not yet known.)
He was due to earn $1.542 million in 2015, which makes it a six-year, $66.542 million dollar deal.

 
Hilton is now locked up and my guess would be that Anthony Castonzo is next before Luck is taken care of next off season.

 

[pappymojo]

Beyond the Patriots, I am most rooting for the Texans this year.  I hope the Colts never make the playoffs again.
 
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/is-ryan-grigson-holding-the-indianapolis-colts-back/
 

The majority of moves and the draft were on the offensive side of the ball though. The team must learn its lesson. Ryan Grigson, the coaching staff, and front office executives want Super Bowl titles but are going about it the wrong way through free agency. The solution is to procure long-term defensive talent through the draft to help complement a top-tier offense. Until the team embraces this, Super Bowl rings are not in the cards for the Indianapolis Colts.

 

[MuppetAsteriskTalk]

2015 Colts: Stocking the Owners Medicine Cabinet in August.

 

[Hector Salamanca]

2015 Colts: AFC South Participants

 

[thehitcat]

2015 Colts: AFC South Participants

Winner!

 

[Shelterdog]

As a Pats fan I'm reasonably happy with the Hilton signing--I think they're overpaying a good player who has put up great numbers because Andrew Luck is so fantastic (and because they throw the ball so damn much). 

 

[Super Nomario]

Awful thread title that may certainly be changed by the powers that be.
 
Five-year, $65 million extension for T.Y. Hilton
 
 
Hilton is now locked up and my guess would be that Anthony Castonzo is next before Luck is taken care of next off season.

I thought half the point of using their first rounder on Phillip Dorsett was that Hilton was gone after this year. Now they have two really fast short WR that they've heavily invested in.

 

[soxfan121]

I thought half the point of using their first rounder on Phillip Dorsett was that Hilton was gone after this year. Now they have two really fast short WR that they've heavily invested in.

 
The Dorsett pick made little sense at the time and even less now. I don't get it, either.

 

[RedOctober3829]

As I said in another thread, my friend who is a Colts scout came through this week.  He says all the talk about how great they're going to be is overblown.  He doesn't like the TEs.  He also said there is a lack of leadership in the locker room especially on defense.  There's no alpha dog who can go up to someone and get in their face.  He says that they don't know exactly how to create a mentality on defense where they can go up against good to great teams and shut them down in key situations.  Nothing earth shattering here, but thought it was all interesting information.

 

[Shelterdog]

I thought half the point of using their first rounder on Phillip Dorsett was that Hilton was gone after this year. Now they have two really fast short WR that they've heavily invested in.

 
What makes even less sense is that Castanzo,  Fleener and Allen are free agents after this year as well.  I assume they re-sign Fleener and Castonzo and let Allen walk, so you're putting a ton of resources straight into the  passing game when your oline sucks, your running game sucks*, and your defense sucks.
 
* Gore might be ok for a year but he's old so you don't have a long term solution.

 

[Shelterdog]

As I said in another thread, my friend who is a Colts scout came through this week.  He says all the talk about how great they're going to be is overblown.  He doesn't like the TEs.  He also said there is a lack of leadership in the locker room especially on defense.  There's no alpha dog who can go up to someone and get in their face.  He says that they don't know exactly how to create a mentality on defense where they can go up against good to great teams and shut them down in key situations.  Nothing earth shattering here, but thought it was all interesting information.

 
Using high draft picks or decent amounts of money in free agency would be a start.

 

[Granite Sox]

Irsay and Grigson have hung Pagano out to dry. Last year of Pagano's contract and it is Super Bowl or bust in Indianapolis. I just don't think the have the personnel on defense to win the SB. Pagano's a defensive guy, but there isn't a ton to work with. Irsay/Grigson are basically saying: Figure it out or you're gone.

 

[dbn]

As I said in another thread, my friend who is a Colts scout came through this week.  He says all the talk about how great they're going to be is overblown.  He doesn't like the TEs.  He also said there is a lack of leadership in the locker room especially on defense.  There's no alpha dog who can go up to someone and get in their face.  He says that they don't know exactly how to create a mentality on defense where they can go up against good to great teams and shut them down in key situations.  Nothing earth shattering here, but thought it was all interesting information.

 
Too bad for them that Enemkpali is no longer available.

 

[MarcSullivaFan]

I don't usually wish ill on strangers, but I truly hope that Grigson is managing a Sunglasses Hut in 10 years, that imbecile.

 

[SeoulSoxFan]

Sorry for Chandler on a personal level. Football wise, DT Arthur Jones out for a long while. Blount. Gray. Lewis. All Day. 
 
@JasonColeBR
#Colts DT Arthur Jones having ankle surgery today. Source said he'll be lucky if he only misses half the season because of ligament damage

 

[jsinger121]

And Malcolm Brown will likely be a starter for us on opening day.

 

[Shelterdog]

And Malcolm Brown will likely be a starter for us on opening day.

 
And he looks like a very good ten year starter in the making. 

 

[Phil Plantier]

Jones injury is also good news for 2014 binky Kelcy Quarles. Here's hoping he makes the team out of camp.

 

[Granite Sox]

There is local worry about Jones, as if he was the only thing standing in the way of a weekly stampede.  
 
The OL is also causing significant anxiety.
 
No concerns about the WRs at present... just whether Luck will be broken in half by the end of the season.
 
And Pagano is coaching for his job with Nick Saban lurking (seriously saw this reported somewhere this morning...)
 
Delicious schadenfreude.

 

[Dr. Gonzo]

Re: Saban
 
Florio had a line about his potential jump to the Colts if Pagano doesn't get it done this year.
 
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/09/02/could-saban-return-to-the-nfl/
 

 
Bob Kravitz of WTHR recently wrote that the pressure is indeed on Colts coach Chuck Pagano in 2015. Adding to the pressure has to be the reality that the presence of quarterback Andrew Luck would allow owner Jim Irsay to lure any coach he wanted to town. If Irsay wanted Saban, would Saban listen?
Saban would want control over the operation, which means that G.M. Ryan Grigson would have to be fired, or at least neutered. An effort by Irsay to hire Saban in 1998 (the year Peyton Manning was drafted) went nowhere because G.M. Bill Polian wouldn’t have given up his authority.
With Luck running the offense and Saban crafting his NFL-style defense, it could work, and it could work well.

 

[lostjumper]

I hope they keep Grigson because he's terrible. How they went into the draft this year and decided their #1 need was another WR is truly baffling. The way to beat the colts this year is the exact same way people did it last year.

 

[GregHarris]

Gotta hand it to at least some of the Colts fans, they were 60-40 against drafting Dorsett and would have preferred Brown.. Remember no swearing!
 
 

 
I want to be a Patriots fan.          

 

 
Of course, the Pats take Brown

 

 
Aaaaand.....that's a kick in the nuts!

 

 

I like to imagine the Patriots war room literally breaking out into laughter at the pick

 
http://forums.colts.com/topic/38038-draft-day-1/page-17
 
 
http://forums.colts.com/topic/38053-building-the-monster-that-is-the-patriots/

 

[RedOctober3829]

There was a reporter with strong Alabama ties who predicted that Saban would jump to the NFL after this year if he won it all. The thinking was that he'd have to go to a team with a young QB capable of winning a SB. Logically the Colts were brought up. That's the jist of this whole rumor. Not too substantial.

 

[sodenj5]

I hope they keep Grigson because he's terrible. How they went into the draft this year and decided their #1 need was another WR is truly baffling. The way to beat the colts this year is the exact same way people did it last year.

 
I thought they made it pretty clear that they drafted in the first round based strictly on BPA. Whether or not that's the smart choice when you have glaring holes in other areas is debatable, but they didn't have WR at the top of their "NEED" list.

 

[lostjumper]

 
I thought they made it pretty clear that they drafted in the first round based strictly on BPA. Whether or not that's the smart choice when you have glaring holes in other areas is debatable, but they didn't have WR at the top of their "NEED" list.

So next year they will take a QB with their first pick if its the best BPA? Are they using a fantasy football draft auto-picker? The entire point of having a gm and scouting staff is to find the players that work in your system and fill holes that you have on your roster. If grigson is simply picking BPA in the first round each year, I stand by my comment. Grigson is an idiot and I want him running the colts draft every year for the rest of his life.

 

[dcmissle]

There was a reporter with strong Alabama ties who predicted that Saban would jump to the NFL after this year if he won it all. The thinking was that he'd have to go to a team with a young QB capable of winning a SB. Logically the Colts were brought up. That's the jist of this whole rumor. Not too substantial.

Worth keeping an eye on IMO. Saban is as wily as they come. If he figures he cannot sustain his pace at Alabama -- and that is an excellent bet, that means he has peaked there. And he'll likely be out of there, just as Carroll bolted USC one step ahead of the law. There is no young QB you'd want to have more than Luck, and QB play, if not everything, means so much.

And who knows, if they disappoint again this year, Saban may be able to demand Grigson exit.

 

[Stitch01]

Grigson is bad, ownership is bad, Pagano isn't as bad but getting destroyed by the Pats like four straight times with the exact same game plan isn't really a good data point. Colts franchise for the last fifteen years has been sort of the NFL version of waking up on third base and thinking you hit a triple from landing at number 1 when generational talents are available at quarterback (see, the one season they didn't have a generational talent at quarterback)

 

[PedroKsBambino]

I get the sense Saban would clear out about half that roster in his first season.  Possibly 3/4 of the defensive players.  And they'd probably be better for it, though it would take a year to work through the cap and replacement elements of it.

 

[m0ckduck]

As I said in another thread, my friend who is a Colts scout came through this week.  He says all the talk about how great they're going to be is overblown.  He doesn't like the TEs.  He also said there is a lack of leadership in the locker room especially on defense.  There's no alpha dog who can go up to someone and get in their face.  He says that they don't know exactly how to create a mentality on defense where they can go up against good to great teams and shut them down in key situations.  Nothing earth shattering here, but thought it was all interesting information.

 
Colts are the current NFL counterpart to the Denver Nuggets teams of the 1980s. It's too much fun to crank the offense and win a bunch of home games to worry about little things like losing cold-weather playoff games by 3 TDs. I'll take this team seriously the moment they have new ownership. 

 

[singaporesoxfan]

Would love to have Saban come because of Luck, only for the Colts to somehow screw up the negotiations and have Luck become the first QB of his caliber in a long time to test free agency.

 

[GregHarris]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/09/03/three-injured-after-bolt-falls-at-lucas-oil-stadium/
 
Must be from the weight of all those participant banners.

 

[PayrodsFirstClutchHit]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/09/03/three-injured-after-bolt-falls-at-lucas-oil-stadium/
 
Must be from the weight of all those participant banners.

 
Colts Bolts Jolt Dolts

 

[Granite Sox]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2558172-arthur-jones-injury-updates-on-colts-dts-leg-and-return?utm_campaign=tsiphone&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=twitter.com

Arthur Jones possibly out for the year. This is bad for the Colts.

 

[SeoulSoxFan]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2558172-arthur-jones-injury-updates-on-colts-dts-leg-and-return?utm_campaign=tsiphone&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=twitter.com

Arthur Jones possibly out for the year. This is bad for the Colts.

 
Only if they had a chance to draft a first-round talent who can play in the middle and anchor the DL. Just unfortunate, really.

 

[BannedbyNYYFans.com]

Mike Loyko ‏@NEPD_Loyko  3m3 minutes ago
Colts traded for Sio Moore.
 
 
Colts just traded for Sio Moore.  Isn't he good friends with SoSH's HomeRunBaker?

 

[SeoulSoxFan]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2558172-arthur-jones-injury-updates-on-colts-dts-leg-and-return?utm_campaign=tsiphone&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=twitter.com

Arthur Jones possibly out for the year. This is bad for the Colts.

 
It's tough to grade on FA signings w/o fully calculating the dead cap $, but "Genius" Grigson had his share of misses (full credit to a Coltfreaks.com poster):
 
2013 free agents who signed multi-year contracts:
5-year / $35m / OT / Gosden Cherilus --- Cut after 2 years
4-year / $24m / SS / LaRon Landry --- Cut after 2 years
4-year / $22m / DE / Ricky Jean Francois --- Cut after 2 years
4-year / $16m / OLB / Erik Walden --- Still starting and appears to be improving
4-year / $14m / OG / Donald Thomas --- Cut after 2 years
2-year / $07m / QB / Matt Hasselhoff --- Signed to a 3rd year as backup QB at age 86
 
2014 free agents who signed multi-year contracts:
4-year / $36m / CB / Vontae Davis --- Pro-bowler and arguable top ten CB in league
5-year / $33m / DE / Arthur Jones --- Injury prone and missed 1/2 of first year; probably going on IR for all of 2nd year
2-year / $01m / OT / Matt Hall --- Who?

 

[Ed Hillel]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2558172-arthur-jones-injury-updates-on-colts-dts-leg-and-return?utm_campaign=tsiphone&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=twitter.com

Arthur Jones possibly out for the year. This is bad for the Colts.

The Deflategate Karma Train rolls on.

Chugga chugga CHOO CHOOOOOO.

 

[amarshal2]

Jones to season ending IR

https://twitter.com/rapsheet/status/640164816343158784

https://twitter.com/rapsheet/status/640164816343158784

link to tweet

 

[dcmissle]

Updating.

So Saban goes just a little bit out of his way to say that if the the Dolphins MD had not killed the Brees signing, he, Saban, might still be in Miami.

Florio says this is a message to the entire NFL. I think Florio is right.

 

[soxfan121]

Updating.

So Saban goes just a little bit out of his way to say that if the the Dolphins MD had not killed the Brees signing, he, Saban, might still be in Miami.

Florio says this is a message to the entire NFL. I think Florio is right.

 
I have mixed feelings. First, Chuck Pagano is a good guy and a better than average football coach. He's been asked to make bricks without straw on defense for several seasons running, and is clearly on notice that the (shitbag) owner wants to hang another banner after this season, or CP is out of a job. 

Second, Ryan Grigson is clearly incompetent, in addition to being an asshole. The Trent Richardson trade is one of the stupidest moves in NFL history, he has wasted so much money on so many marginal talents in free agency, and he is incapable of building anything resembling a competent defense. 

Third, Nick Saban is a self-centered tinpot dictator who believes he shits rose petals. But he's also a damned good football coach, who absolutely could put together a competent defense to compliment the best young QB in the game, which would make Indy much, much more dangerous than they are under the management of Irsay/Grigson/Pagano. 

If Saban ends up with the Colts, they are better off because it means they shitcanned Grigson, who's a moron. And if they keep Grigson, the chances of Luck eventually testing free agency go up - and that would be great theater for NFL offseason fans. 

So...conflicted. The Colts would be better without stupid Grigson and nice guy Pagano, but the thought of anything good that happens for Saban makes me feel scummy. 

Really, though, if you're an NFL fan you want to see what Luck can do when he hits his prime. So...root for Luck to hate Saban and test free agency after one season of the Nicktator's nicky ways?

 

[GregHarris]

Colts forums are in full blown fire Pagano mode. 
 
Rumor has it he's out anyway after grumblings about not being able to shop for the groceries.  It's amazing Grigson gets off so easily up there after failing to do much to improve both lines, LBs and a second corner, wasting a 1st rounder on a stone handed WR not a position of need, and signing of way-past-prime Gore (who may still be serviceable) and Andre Johnson who just looked fat, old and slow (I expect the production of him to be around what Wayne gave them in 2014).

 

[koufax32]

Colts forums are in full blown fire Pagano mode. 
 
Rumor has it he's out anyway after grumblings about not being able to shop for the groceries.  It's amazing Grigson gets off so easily up there after failing to do much to improve both lines, LBs and a second corner, wasting a 1st rounder on a stone handed WR not a position of need, and signing of way-past-prime Gore (who may still be serviceable) and Andre Johnson who just looked fat, old and slow (I expect the production of him to be around what Wayne gave them in 2014).

#CHUCKSTRONG

 

[amarshal2]

Colts forums are in full blown fire Pagano mode. 
 
Rumor has it he's out anyway after grumblings about not being able to shop for the groceries.  It's amazing Grigson gets off so easily up there after failing to do much to improve both lines, LBs and a second corner, wasting a 1st rounder on a stone handed WR not a position of need, and signing of way-past-prime Gore (who may still be serviceable) and Andre Johnson who just looked fat, old and slow (I expect the production of him to be around what Wayne gave them in 2014).

Don't forget trading a 1st for #LeastMode

 

[Morning Woodhead]

Colts forums are in full blown fire Pagano mode. 
 
Rumor has it he's out anyway after grumblings about not being able to shop for the groceries.  It's amazing Grigson gets off so easily up there after failing to do much to improve both lines, LBs and a second corner, wasting a 1st rounder on a stone handed WR not a position of need, and signing of way-past-prime Gore (who may still be serviceable) and Andre Johnson who just looked fat, old and slow (I expect the production of him to be around what Wayne gave them in 2014).

Grigson is definitely more to blame than Pagano, but I wonder how different this team would be if they kept Arians and got rid of Pagano. I know given the optics this never would have happened, but Arians is a hell of a coach.

 

[soxfan121]

Grigson is definitely more to blame than Pagano, but I wonder how different this team would be if they kept Arians and got rid of Pagano. I know given the optics this never would have happened, but Arians is a hell of a coach.

 
It's possible Red Sox fans are having this same feeling next year if Farrell returns and Lovullo moves on. Loyalty is a good thing, and no one should lose their job to cancer, but Mourning Woodhead isn't wrong on Arians > Pagano, based on the results.

 

[mwonow]

 
It's possible Red Sox fans are having this same feeling next year if Farrell returns and Lovullo moves on. Loyalty is a good thing, and no one should lose their job to cancer, but Mourning Woodhead isn't wrong on Arians > Pagano, based on the results.

 
Except I've yet to hear anyone say that Lovullo is a hell of a manager. If it's time for Farrell to move, on merits or in response to his health problems, so be it, but I doubt there will be a chorus demanding that the Sox create an opening for TL

 

[absintheofmalaise]

 
Except I've yet to hear anyone say that Lovullo is a hell of a manager. If it's time for Farrell to move, on merits or in response to his health problems, so be it, but I doubt there will be a chorus demanding that the Sox create an opening for TL

I think Lovullo would be a good manager.

 

[amarshal2]

Check out @JimIrsay's mentions on Twitter. Blood bath.

Also #FireGrigson is just about trending.

@kevinda112: I'm Ryan Grigson and I have cable. And I'm Ryan Grigson and I have cable. #FireGrigson

I did feel dirty when someone mentioned hiring Patricia.

 

[ipol]

Glad to see the formerly teflon douche that is their GM getting called out for his continued malfeasance. Will the misdirection he perpetrates be firing Pagano?

 

[nothumb]

Glad to see the formerly teflon douche that is their GM getting called out for his continued malfeasance. Will the misdirection he perpetrates be firing Pagano?

 
When Grigson gets fired, I would give my left nut for BB to go into his next presser and just casually offer him a job parking cars at the stadium or something. Just once.