2015 Broncos-Peyton's Retirement Party Sunday 1/24/16 3PM ET
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Actually, I was just messing with the Playoff machine to see if the Pats had to win both games or just one to be the #1 seed. I put in the Pats losing to the Jets and Cincy winning their last two to see who got the #1 if they were both 13-3. It was the Pats, but even more surprising was the Broncos were not in the playoffs at all--I had KC, the Jets, and Pitt all winning out and Denver winning their week 17 game after losing to the Bengals. In this scenario, all four teams were 11-5 and Denver is the odd team out. I don't think it happens, but the fact that there's a non-minuscule chance the Broncos could be left out is mind-blowing from where we were just two weeks ago.
Just curious; how do the Patriots get the #1 seed over the Bengals if they both finish 13-3? Both would have two conference losses, so what tiebreaker do they win?
Winning percentage in common games according to the machine. Pats lost to Denver, but Bengals would have lost to Texans and Steelers. The Bengals third loss in the scenario (Cards) and the Pats two losses (Jets and Eagles) are not used as they are not common opponents.
Common opponents. Cincy lost to both Houston and the Steelers. Pats only lost to Denver.
Record vs. Common Opponents (Bills, Steelers, Texans and Broncos)
Pats are 4-1. Bengals are 2-2 and would be 3-2 with a win at Denver.
Denver can wind up anywhere from an unlikely #1 Seed (win both, NE loses both) to sitting home.
Monday night is a big game.
I thought choking in prime time was Dalton's problem? Let's get our narratives straight here!
I'd be concerned about the secondary being repeatedly torched. Yes, the Pittsburgh receivers are very good, but this was supposed to be the best pass defense in the league and they got destroyed. They didn't seem to pick on Talib but I've never seen Harris beat so often and Roby was a step slow.
Maybe Harris should have gotten help, or they should have used Talib on Brown with help like the Pats have done on #1s.
1) The Bengals' primetime woes predate Dalton... it's really a Marvin Lewis thing.
2) Three things about the failures of the DBs in the second half: (a) The Steelers' passing game is second to none right now; (b) Denver played without either of its starting Safeties [EDIT to add: and I just read that one of the back-ups, David Bruton, broke his fibula mid-game and played the rest of the game on that broken leg... which might explain his lacking performance]; and (c) the Denver offense kept getting stuffed and gave the Defense zero time to rest on the sidelines which, IMO, is the primary reason for the shitty play as the half wore on. I'm not giving the DBs a total pass, but I'm also not going to lose sleep over it nor do I expect them to look that bad again absent those particular circumstances.
On the secondary... Josh Bush, another DB sub was sick and almost didn't play, apparently. Perfect storm of suck.
Head to head, then division record, then common opponents, then conference record.
http://www.nfl.com/standings/tiebreakingproceduresnfl.com said:
That's to break a tie within a division, and he's referring to Bengals and Pats. Conference record comes before common.
- Head-to-head, if applicable.
- Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
- Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
Ahh, yes. "To determine home-field priority among division-titlists, apply Wild Card tie-breakers." Which are later on the page; rounding out your list:
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i think denver will get in the playoffs 2 reasons 50-50 the jets go 0-2 i wouild be stunned if the jets win both NE @BUF games
and Oakland will beat KC in week 17 there is always 1 shocker u dont see happened Ciny without Dalton i think is a 7-point swing in Denver favor and i like denver 16-13
and Oakland will beat KC in week 17 there is always 1 shocker u dont see happened Ciny without Dalton i think is a 7-point swing in Denver favor and i like denver 16-13
dittio + if denver had any running game denver still wouild won because all we needed was 10 points and to eat up clock in the 2nd haif
if u help harris miller and wheaton get open and hurt u bad really as 95 % of u are pats fans Pitt is the only AFC opp that can stop u in the Quest for 50 and Car is the only NFC team that can beat u in super bowl 50
I appreciate the sentiment but I just don't think it is true. As a Patriots fan, I have seen good teams beat great teams enough to know that anything can happen in the playoffs.
I think posters need (me included) to up their game. Why is it that a half dozen replies are necessary stating the same fact--that record against common opponents--before we can move on? It is frustrating to have to read essentially the same post over and over again. Happy holidays to all!
Much like the Denver game, I think Oakland will go into that KC game feeling like they had the Chiefs beat in Oakland and threw the game away and will want to prove it in the rematch. Ruining KCs season, potentially getting to a non losing record and sending Charles out on a win will all be powerful motivational factors for Del Rio. So, no, I would not be surprised if Denver gets an assist from Oakland in week 17.
Of note, both Oakland and San Diego will be coming off of 10 days rest after the Christmas Eve game.
On a different note, I just watched the Pittsburgh / Denver game. As a Raider fan, I really hope the Broncos low ball Osweiller and he winds up in Houston or New York. He has a shit offensive line, receivers who are infected with the drops, no running game and is still pretty effective. He is clearly having trouble applying half time adjustments in the second half, but that will come with experience. They have to tweak his delivery to cut down on the batted balls, but I think he is going to be really good.
He may be good, but where ever he goes (if he leaves) he will not have two receivers as good as Sanders and DT. They may have the drops, but some of that could be on how his ball arrives.
Not that improved posting isn't a worthy goal but check out the time stamps of the posts in question. The replies were obviously being typed at the same time, it isn't like the information was in the thread and those people went ahead and posted it again.
On that particular note, I wonder if the coaches just haven't given him many options when it comes to adjusting. 3 games with zero points in second halves means something, right? Part of me wants to blame Kubiak and the OC for freezing up. Another part of me wonders is they don't think Brock is able to both (a) prep for the main game plan in the pre-game week and (b) also prep for contingency adjustments to be used if needed late in games after defenses adjust. Maybe my anger at the coaches is misplaced and they are simply not overloading the green QB with too many things to try to master each week and the result is second half play where the QB just doesn't have many cards in his hand given the things he has been able to prepare for.
On the subject of keeping Brock or letting him go, I've read supposed "insiders" who have said that Denver is hoping to hammer out a big long-term deal with Von Miller ASAP and then use the franchise tag on Osweiler if needed. They're open to over-paying him for one year if they have the open tag in order to buy them more time to evaluate him. Not sure if that's true, but if so it seems to indicate that they're not going to just let him walk without trying to keep him.
Jets would be pretty damn close and plausible enough if they don't work anything out with FitzMagic.
i think elway wouild let everyone but miller go in order to keep oz the only game changer is if SD moves to LA and rivers gets cut some how refuse to play in LA and elway can work out a deal with rivers where he is in sd monday-wed then flyes to den thur-sun i say 1 % but if the year ends badly where denver misses the playoffs or loses at KC/HOU who knows also if denver bought rivers in gates wouild come as well
The veteran QB long-shot-but-it-just-might-be-crazy-enough-to-work move that I could see Elway trying to pull off if they're done with. Manning and not willing to overpay Brock would be Drew Brees.
(Although apparently Brees has torn plantar fascia too now!)
(Although apparently Brees has torn plantar fascia too now!)
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Not a chance. None. Rivers signed long term, gates is retiring. If the Chargers move and rivers demands out (which is unlikely), SD would rather give rivers to any team outside the afc west than trade him in division.
There's a greater chance elway plays qb for denver next year than rivers
The lack of adjustments is the mo for kubiak offenses. When he was oc in Denver they usually started strong, especially with the first 15 or so plays that were scripted. The same was true with seasons themselves where Denver would start strong and stumble down the stretch. For example, in both 2003 and 2004, 2 of his last years before leaving for Houston, they started 5-1 only to finish 10-6. He did it in Houston, too (2009 started 5-2 and finished 9-7. 2010 they started 4-2 and finished 6-10).
Yeah that's certainly the pattern. He didn't have that fade last year as the Ravens' OC, but your point remains.
The starkness of the last 3 games with no second half scoring just makes it seem like it's even more than the usual Kubiak is too rigid thing.
Osweiler to start on Monday against the Bengals. Manning still recovering from his supposed setback to his plantar fascia injury.
Meanwhile, Drew Brees also tore his plantar fascia Monday night in the first half against the Lions, came back to throw three TDs in the second half, and plans to play this weekend. Hmnnn...
Meanwhile, Drew Brees also tore his plantar fascia Monday night in the first half against the Lions, came back to throw three TDs in the second half, and plans to play this weekend. Hmnnn...
Not to derail a good conspiracy theory but my understanding is that Brees completely tore his plantar fascia and Manning only partially tore his. From all the talk around the Manning injury I heard that while both are very painful, the full rupture allows for a faster recovery because the acute pain is gone after a shorter time while the tear continues to hurt.
I am not an Orthopedist though, so this could be worthless commentary.
I'm not an orthopedist either but my understanding is that a common treatment for a partial rupture is to snip it and make it a full rupture: ie, Manning could have been in Brees' situation if he had elected to do so.
Sometimes I don't know why we bother, but ...
Not every injury of a type is exactly the same
Not everybody's pain threshold is similar
Not every quarterback depends on the balance and/or push provided through his feet in exactly the same manner
Turning Manning's return from injury into another way to cast aspersions in his direction is ... in a word ... stupid
Not every injury of a type is exactly the same
Not everybody's pain threshold is similar
Not every quarterback depends on the balance and/or push provided through his feet in exactly the same manner
Turning Manning's return from injury into another way to cast aspersions in his direction is ... in a word ... stupid
Meh, I'll certainly cop to enjoying taking shots at Peyton but if you've followed this saga closely its pretty obvious that the situation is an unusual one. The issue isn't about Manning's toughness at all. Its about Kubiak and Elway clearly being in no hurry to put him back onto the field but pretending that's not the case.
That I agree with, but the concept of, in your words, "Manning could have been in Brees' situation if he had elected to do so" can't be substantiated.
OK, "if he (in consultation with Kubiak and Elway) had elected to do so." Better?
If that was your issue with the post, then say so. Don't pull out the snide "Sometimes I don't know why we bother" line of bullshit.
That is my impression as well. Peyton's not playing unless he's 100%. I think Brock will be the 2016 QB but a one year deal for alot or the franchise tag which does make sense to me as mentioned above.
Seems like Peyton's hit if he's cut or traded is only 2.5M which is manageable. Although... can you see Peyton playing for the Browns for one year? I just can't even though I think he wants to play one more year.
which is why i said 1 % like spike bought up QB D Brees couild be a fallback but i just do not see him takeing a 14 mil dollar pay cut 30 mil to 16 mil i think houton is in line for brees
i think manning wants to go out on his terms if I was Manning i wouild take a backup job in Pittsburgh 3 reaons why
1 they look to be NE biggest theat in 16 unlees denver somehow remakes their OL
2 Ben always gets hurt wouild start at least 2 games
3 pitt allready runs 55 60 % in shotgun and with Brown Wheton Bryant Miller Bell and D Williams he wouild look good unail nov
but manning will not take a 18 mil pay cut
Manning is not returning to land with any team to be its backup. There will be plenty of takers if he is free to find them.
I think that Kubiak and Elway better hope the Broncos beat the Bengals, or the Manning machine will be at full power by Monday morning. I'm sure Elway is counting on his banked good karma to keep him from getting too dirty when the mudslinging starts in earnest, but he's wrong. It might be good enough in Denver, but it won't be nationally. And if the Broncos win the last game, but miss out of a tiebreaker because they "stuck by Osweiler too long" it'll get u-g-l-y for the first time in Elway's career.
Personally, this is awesome. I've always hated Elway and Peyton is Peyton, so let's have this devolve into two HOF divas shouting at each other.
Personally, this is awesome. I've always hated Elway and Peyton is Peyton, so let's have this devolve into two HOF divas shouting at each other.
I think all of this is premature. Manning has missed at least two practices in the last two weeks and maybe more because of the foot. And while this probably suits Elway and Kubiak just fine, there is like zero chance that Manning is feigning injury to make this all go over smoothly. No, if he were game ready, Manning would be leaking massively through his many sources, and now would be the time after three consecutive second half meltdowns. It's inescapable: Manning could not start Sunday even if everyone were down with that.
Yeah, if Manning thinks he is ready to start, he is not taking days off midweek.
The guy is hurt and had a set back.
The guy is hurt and had a set back.
Peyton was so shitty this year that very few Bronco fans are pining for his return. The organization is not going to be reviled if they don't force him back in.
Not surprise there in my mind. Mark my words, Manning is not playing another down in his life. I wish it weren't the case because I did enjoy watching him go up in flames.
Spikes right, it's not like Bronco nation (if that's a thing) is burning up the sports talk radio lines demanding Manning come in and start slinging the ball around (to defensive backs and the occasional linebacker).
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