2015 Boston College Football: Daz'd and Confused
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So what happened with this game? I'm guessing the D got gassed and struggled in the second half from my box score perusal. Nice to know Daz still blows at clock management. Was at the Michigan game (lol) so missed basically everything.
Funny thing about the youth and injuries excuse. I remember someone on EO dug up the media guides for the Spaz years. All talk about an inordinate amount of injuries and youth. Injuries are to be expected. You lose the youth excuse after your third year. It's wearing thin.
Edit: Hooray a TD. One play after the center got Raji'd into the backfield.
Funny thing about the youth and injuries excuse. I remember someone on EO dug up the media guides for the Spaz years. All talk about an inordinate amount of injuries and youth. Injuries are to be expected. You lose the youth excuse after your third year. It's wearing thin.
Edit: Hooray a TD. One play after the center got Raji'd into the backfield.
Defense is good but the secondary is not great. They clutch and grab all over the field, and let a bunch of guys get behind them. Saving grace is the front seven gets a ton of pressure so teams haven't been able to take advantage. Clemson had the OL to keep BC away from Watson, and they had guys wide open in and beynd the secondary all game. If Watson had a better game, it would have been really ugly but his deep passing was pretty poor today
I was at the game. I'm shocked you guys don't have a better record. The lines were impressive. Watson had trouble dealing with the pressure especially on the deep balls where he needed that extra time. Clemson's D was always scrambling before the snap to get lined up. The post game radio had some interviews where the players indicated it was the most complex and complicated formation and blocking schemes they've ever seen. The D hits hard, is fast, aggressive, and tackles well. The pass rush is good and most college teams don't have a QB that can take advantage of man coverage anyway. Clemson put up 500+ offensive yards, but it felt like 3rd and 8 the entire game. I never had confidence the O was going to get it done and every TD was a surprise.
I was worried early that Dabo was going to have to explain a loss a week after chewing that reporter for asking the Clemsoning question.
Anyway, gotta be tough on fans. So many positives to point at, but no results.
I was worried early that Dabo was going to have to explain a loss a week after chewing that reporter for asking the Clemsoning question.
Anyway, gotta be tough on fans. So many positives to point at, but no results.
The clock management stuff is maddening. No idea what to say. I do think much of this is actually situational game prep more than in game issues but that's really irrelevant.
What's ironic is right now that main issue with the team is the OL. As Paulie said, this team runs a complex formation and blocking scheme so there's a learning curve. The OL is young and right now cannot pass block. There's a guy running free to the QB on virtually every pass play.
The reason I am willing to give him a little rope is that I believe that he has done a good job of improving the athleticism on both sides of the ball. I disagree with Mike on the DBs, sort of. The CBs are all sophomores and true freshman. The ability is there. They are right there step for step with these guys. The technique will improve.
There were some good things last night. They get to play an undermanned Louisville next week. Let's see what we've got.
What's ironic is right now that main issue with the team is the OL. As Paulie said, this team runs a complex formation and blocking scheme so there's a learning curve. The OL is young and right now cannot pass block. There's a guy running free to the QB on virtually every pass play.
The reason I am willing to give him a little rope is that I believe that he has done a good job of improving the athleticism on both sides of the ball. I disagree with Mike on the DBs, sort of. The CBs are all sophomores and true freshman. The ability is there. They are right there step for step with these guys. The technique will improve.
There were some good things last night. They get to play an undermanned Louisville next week. Let's see what we've got.
Dave - not trying to influence your opinion here but I've talked at length with someone who played for Daz (now works for me) and a couple guys inside the school with very good access to the sidelines.
Daz is a complete shitshow on the sidelines gameday. He gets so riled up he basically loses control of what's going on. He's insanely emotional and cannot keep it together. There is no one associated with the program that thinks he is a good game manager. There's just a belief that he can improve the talent level to be competitive.
My guess is they know what they have at this point, and there's plenty of mediocre coaches earning a lot of money, BC has one of them.
Daz is a complete shitshow on the sidelines gameday. He gets so riled up he basically loses control of what's going on. He's insanely emotional and cannot keep it together. There is no one associated with the program that thinks he is a good game manager. There's just a belief that he can improve the talent level to be competitive.
My guess is they know what they have at this point, and there's plenty of mediocre coaches earning a lot of money, BC has one of them.
Please don't misunderstand me. Whether it's prep or in game time management has been a complete disaster.
Maybe it's best to say that i think many of the problems could be helped with better preparation. Here it's exacerbated because the QBs are very green.
Maybe it's best to say that i think many of the problems could be helped with better preparation. Here it's exacerbated because the QBs are very green.
As I turn this game off with Louisville up by 14 in the second half, my question is this:
Is the D a senior laden unit so that next year this team will be a pile of suck in all three phases of the game?
No one can play on the current offense, special teams are a shit storm and the D is beginning to show cracks. Can't see this team winning another game this year.
Is the D a senior laden unit so that next year this team will be a pile of suck in all three phases of the game?
No one can play on the current offense, special teams are a shit storm and the D is beginning to show cracks. Can't see this team winning another game this year.
berniecarbo1 said:
The defense is young, they lose a couple key guys but not many.
On offense they will get better because Louie Legacy (Addazio) graduates. Louie might be the worst player in DIvision 1, and would be more of a div 3 type if his dad wasn't the head coach, He's had another big performance today including a holding on a 17 yard gain on BC's first drive when they actually game out on a hot start and were about to string together consecutive first downs and move into Louisville teritory
Bernie. You are generally on with your comments but your statement about special teams is way off. The kicking game has been terrible but the punt coverage has been the best it's been in years and when the kickers get the ball deep so is KO coverage.
BC is top 3 in ACC in net punting.
BC is top 3 in ACC in net punting.
BCs defense and special teams keeps them in the game. 17-14 with BC having the ball in Lville territory.
5 sacks for BC D. Close to 20 tackles for a loss. 2 recoveries I believe.........and the team still loses.
The OL is just terrible. I can't assess any other players on the offense because they are that bad. It's terrible. I want to think there's talent at WR and that Jeff Smith might be something but they just don't have a chance with this OL.
Can we please, please end the Flutie pipeline to Chestnut Hill??? Please. This kid has heart but he is at best an FCS backup QB. Maybe not even that. I think I'm going to rename my nephew Terry "Flutie" as he is a QB at a high school in NH. I think BC might give him a scholarship. That kid can't play D1 football. You can see glimmers of talent in Smith. With Flutie....nothing.
berniecarbo1 said:
Why though? Flutie isn't the problem with the team. He's not great, but he throws the ball better than Smith does. He made a few really nice throws today, and of course some poor ones
The coach recruited him. The problem is Daz has recruited 5 QB's.
Walsh - Long gone
Wade - Hrd to judge, his numbers were ugly before he got injured, and that despite playing Howard and Maine in 2 of his 3 starts
Flutie - Not very good, but his passing numbers are ok
Robinson - Converted to WR first day of Summer practice despite having serious issues catching the ball
Smith, BC and Indiana were only p5 programs to recruit him at QB, and is a very long term project at best.
Honestly Daz must be a true Svengali as a recruiter to be able to convince anyone at QB or WR to come play in this offense.
On the bright side, BC now has 7 Daz wins in 8 games this season, so I have no idea what people are complaining about
(Daz win is based on Daz stated goal of being within 7 in 4th quarter)
Because IMHO he is not a D1 talent at QB. I truly believe he was recruited because of his legacy. If his name was Troy Jones they would have passed on him. Agree he isn't the major problem with the program but he isn't very good and considering he's been in the system for 2 years I don't see where he brings anything to the offense. Is he Uncle Dave? No. But he is not a D1 talent either.
The bigger problem on O obviously is an OL that has not developed. They have had a spring, summer and 8 games under their belt and there is no uptick at all. Play calling is bad, especially in the red zone. So there are many issues on offense, not the least of which is that the talent is not D1 level and at least on offense, they haven't been coached up.
The bigger problem on O obviously is an OL that has not developed. They have had a spring, summer and 8 games under their belt and there is no uptick at all. Play calling is bad, especially in the red zone. So there are many issues on offense, not the least of which is that the talent is not D1 level and at least on offense, they haven't been coached up.
The part of the game I saw Flutie threw the ball terribly. And the OL is not helping the kid or whoever else is back there. Maybe Daz's greatest recruiting job so far was getting a bunch of earth movers with a year of eligibility left to go to grad school there last year.
Humphrey said:
Daz had one OT transfer to BC in 2013. He couldn't handle speed rushers but he played very well as a run blocker.
In 2014 he had one OL transfer Ian Silberman, who was just ok and a bunch of longterm BC kids.
The OL was bad today, but it is a combination of factors. As teams have no fear at all of the BC "passing attack" they can load up with 9 or 10 up front, and send people with abandon as there is no threat of BC making a big, or even intermediate play in the passing game
The 2 teams today were in many ways mirror images on offense. Louisville had a true Freshman QB, 3 freshmen starting on the OL, and they all played horribly. In particular the QB underthrew about 8-10 passes, a few early where he had an easy 7 points and missed the wide open receiver. But the point is despite having the OL block no one all day, Louisville did move the ball up and down the field all day, and had numerous opportunities for big plays that Jackson missed.
My point is the OL isn't great, and it is made to look far worse than it is by the offense Daz chooses to run, and the players he chooses to bring in at QB. This season and the offensive struggles are 100% on the shoulders of the head coach
I'd like to compliment myself for playing in a golf tournament yesterday and not recording the L'ville game
It was bad enough follow the play by play on the phone
It was bad enough follow the play by play on the phone
It really is frustrating. The D is phenomenal and the coverage teams are as good as I can remember. There's been significant upgrades of athleticism in many areas.doldmoose34 said:
And the one area BC has always excelled, OL, is historically bad.
So, tomorrow will be my first game attended since Chris Crane, Montel Harris, and company shut out ND 17-0 in 2008. Really looking forward to seeing how the program has grown since then!
Well our defense is probably just as good. Too bad you likely won't see a DL tackle a RB with an OL this time around.
Is it me or does it look like this team has quit? Assuming the inevitable happens, do we start using the balance of the season as a total team tryout for 2016? Very disappointed with this team obviously. I think they should see what they really have for athletes and prepare for next year. I would leave Fadule in there for the balance of the season and start inserting the future into the lineup. This season is lost and I feel next year is a turning point for the Dazzler. 4 years in so it is his program outright then.
Was very optimistic but I think this program is hindered by the HC to be honest. I know I was his biggest cheerleader but I've seen enough to know he really is a career assistant. OK recruiter but horrible game day coach. As Bill Parcells would say...."I reserve the right to change my mind."
Was very optimistic but I think this program is hindered by the HC to be honest. I know I was his biggest cheerleader but I've seen enough to know he really is a career assistant. OK recruiter but horrible game day coach. As Bill Parcells would say...."I reserve the right to change my mind."
I was thinking the same thing bernie.
I don't think there is a worse offense in college football.
I don't think there is a worse offense in college football.
It's you. Mistakes by freshmen that shouldn't be on the field.berniecarbo1 said:
Fadule
Gowins
Monteiro
Hendren
Robinson
And the defense is now dealing with injuries at DB. Issac out now.
Which falls on the head coach since he's now had three recruiting cycles to get players into the program.
Dave- no depth in year 3. That's on Daz. They are down by 17 and we all know this game is over. 4 TDs against ACC opponents this year. Ranked 125th in O in FBS. That's inexcusable. And I blame Daz as he took ownership of the O.
Year 3. You should be seeing guys stepping up on O. He's an O line coach. And they rank 125th out 128 FBS programs.
The guys know they can't win with this O. Overall, they have quit. D is plugging but in the whole, they know they aren't going to win.
Year 3. You should be seeing guys stepping up on O. He's an O line coach. And they rank 125th out 128 FBS programs.
The guys know they can't win with this O. Overall, they have quit. D is plugging but in the whole, they know they aren't going to win.
......and its wide. Again ....17-0. Best drive of the day and they come up empty. This is pathetic. I was around for the 0-11 debacle in '78 when BC lost to juggernauts like Army, Holy Cross, UMass and had to go 10,000 miles to lose to Temple. This team is real close to that. I haven't seen many teams that outclassed in most facets of the game since then.
I can't see them winning another game again this year. They are getting man handled on O.
I can't see them winning another game again this year. They are getting man handled on O.
Some of today's idiocy.
Start Flutie, and let him handoff up the middle on 5 out of 6 snaps, with one pass play where the primary receiver was Duddek standing 5 yards behind the LOS and then pull Flutie. I have no problem with deciding to give up on Flutie, but why put him in sabotage 2 series and then pull him?
Bring in Fadule and let him run the read option. Interesting because this is a completely different offense than they have let Smith and Flutie run all season. Especially Smith who in theory was brought here specifically to run that offense.
First screen pass called in a month, maybe all season. Did Fadule audible into it? Couldn't have been the coaches,
Daz at halftime talks about how we are going to stay aggressive in the second half. So that means he apparently believes BC played aggressively in the first half?
Start Flutie, and let him handoff up the middle on 5 out of 6 snaps, with one pass play where the primary receiver was Duddek standing 5 yards behind the LOS and then pull Flutie. I have no problem with deciding to give up on Flutie, but why put him in sabotage 2 series and then pull him?
Bring in Fadule and let him run the read option. Interesting because this is a completely different offense than they have let Smith and Flutie run all season. Especially Smith who in theory was brought here specifically to run that offense.
First screen pass called in a month, maybe all season. Did Fadule audible into it? Couldn't have been the coaches,
Daz at halftime talks about how we are going to stay aggressive in the second half. So that means he apparently believes BC played aggressively in the first half?
Tim Brant I think his name is, is so much more impressed with the Chestnut Hill foliage and other October-esque aesthetics of the campus.kenneycb said:
The intro to the game was hysterically propogandish of the place. Loved it.
The game, not so much.
John Madden used to say that if you've got two QBs, you don't have a QB. BC is rotating QB duties among three freshmen.
Sure, they should've won the Wake Forest game, but I don't think Vince Lombardi would have more than four wins with this crew. The talent simply isn't there on the offensive side.
Sure, they should've won the Wake Forest game, but I don't think Vince Lombardi would have more than four wins with this crew. The talent simply isn't there on the offensive side.
Ok, so the season officially becomes a lame duck with the 26-10 loss. Next week Smith will be back so what do you do. No matter what they should run the read option going forward. Time to use the balance of the season to evaluate what you have and what you don't.
I think we have seen the last of Troy Flutie at QB. He is #4 on the depth chart after today. If he stays on the roster next year it will be at a position other than QB. Don't be surprised to see him transfer to an FCS or a non P5 FBS program.
Need to settle on a kicker and let him work on his kicks in game action. Get rid of the kinks this year. If you can't find one then it's time to go shopping and pull the scholarships.
Next season it's fish or cut bait for Daz. He's talking about next year being "the year" in his presser. "Building equity" and growing character. Next year better produce some results and I don't mean 6-6 or 7-5 regular season. The D comes back in pretty good shape. You have the balance of this season to find a QB if you aren't sold on Wade. Time to settle on an O line and use the next 4 weeks and the spring to teach them how to block.
It's going to be ugly here on in. Lastly if I am Bates, I sit down Daz and tell him to either find a O coordinator who can run and manage the read option if he can't trust Fitch. Let the coordinators run the game day x and o and his job is to be the face of the program and deal closer on recruiting, much like Joe Pa was the last 6-7 years he was at Penn State. Everyone needs to self evaluate here, including the coaches and Bates. Things cannot continue the way they have been. Biggest mistake ( and I admit I was for this) was giving Dazzler that extension last year. It truly limits the options in the short term. But I understand why. It looked like the program was heading in the right direction when really it was pretty stagnant and they had better coaching. Daz is not great but he ain't Spaz. Anything was an upgrade.
I think we have seen the last of Troy Flutie at QB. He is #4 on the depth chart after today. If he stays on the roster next year it will be at a position other than QB. Don't be surprised to see him transfer to an FCS or a non P5 FBS program.
Need to settle on a kicker and let him work on his kicks in game action. Get rid of the kinks this year. If you can't find one then it's time to go shopping and pull the scholarships.
Next season it's fish or cut bait for Daz. He's talking about next year being "the year" in his presser. "Building equity" and growing character. Next year better produce some results and I don't mean 6-6 or 7-5 regular season. The D comes back in pretty good shape. You have the balance of this season to find a QB if you aren't sold on Wade. Time to settle on an O line and use the next 4 weeks and the spring to teach them how to block.
It's going to be ugly here on in. Lastly if I am Bates, I sit down Daz and tell him to either find a O coordinator who can run and manage the read option if he can't trust Fitch. Let the coordinators run the game day x and o and his job is to be the face of the program and deal closer on recruiting, much like Joe Pa was the last 6-7 years he was at Penn State. Everyone needs to self evaluate here, including the coaches and Bates. Things cannot continue the way they have been. Biggest mistake ( and I admit I was for this) was giving Dazzler that extension last year. It truly limits the options in the short term. But I understand why. It looked like the program was heading in the right direction when really it was pretty stagnant and they had better coaching. Daz is not great but he ain't Spaz. Anything was an upgrade.
I can't imagine Flutie would transfer. He would be getting really poor advice if he did. his long term career prospects are much better if he is a Flutie with a BC degree rather than a URI degree
He can play the Dave Dudek role the next couple of seasons
He can play the Dave Dudek role the next couple of seasons
Unlikely. He has a contract paying around $2M per year through the 2020 season. They would owe him $10M if they canned him. Bear in mind they just finished paying off Spaz for the last 2 years and he was making about $1.5M to hang out in Hingham. We are stuck with him through at least the 2018 season so get used to this. If he is a bust we are all going sink with him.BS_SoxFan said:
berniecarbo1 said:
I think you have to be more realistic about where BC stands in the scheme of things. Even if they win 8,9 games they are still going to be playing in a crappy bowl game. The Matty Ice era was cool but that was more of a fluke than anything else.
I know they will never make a BCS type bowl unless a lot of things go their way. They would have to win 10 games at least, beat FSU, Clemson and Louisville as well as win the ACCCG all in the same season. They came close twice but could never get over the hump. And back then they had Maryland and not Louisville.
But their schedule over the next 2 years is dumbed down huge. Their OOC consists of UMass, UConn (2x), N Illinois, Wagner, Buffalo, Richmond and Notre Dame.
There is no excuse for them to not win 8-9 games both years. If they are .500 with those OOC opponents it is all on him.
All of which brings me to my final point. Given the highly unlikely probability that BC will ever play in the playoffs or go to a big time bowl game, why not schedule high end P5 opponents and play them on the road? It would be a great recruiting tool to sell kids on the idea they would get to play in venues like The Big House, The Horseshoe, The Coliseum, Rose Bowl, Tuscaloosa, etc. I know those programs would play BC, especially if they were played at their home venues.
But their schedule over the next 2 years is dumbed down huge. Their OOC consists of UMass, UConn (2x), N Illinois, Wagner, Buffalo, Richmond and Notre Dame.
There is no excuse for them to not win 8-9 games both years. If they are .500 with those OOC opponents it is all on him.
All of which brings me to my final point. Given the highly unlikely probability that BC will ever play in the playoffs or go to a big time bowl game, why not schedule high end P5 opponents and play them on the road? It would be a great recruiting tool to sell kids on the idea they would get to play in venues like The Big House, The Horseshoe, The Coliseum, Rose Bowl, Tuscaloosa, etc. I know those programs would play BC, especially if they were played at their home venues.
