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2/12 - @ 76ers

Discussion in '2018 Celtics Game Threads' started by DeadlySplitter, Feb 12, 2019.

  1. teddykgb

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    The questions without Kyrie are whether they are better enough defensively without him to make up for lacking his talents and whether the ball came move like that when he's out there. I don't think the latter is necessarily his fault as it sometimes seems like everyone wants to give him the ball and watch but I hope he can find a balance between keeping his teammates on the ball and engaged and using his incredible talent
     
  2. RedOctober3829

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    Hayward was very good on defense too. His best game as a Celtic.
     
  3. RedOctober3829

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    First road win over an above 500 team since 10/25. They are 100% without a doubt not a better team without Kyrie Irving. I can’t believe that’s even a topic of conversation here.
     
  4. wade boggs chicken dinner

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    Smart was the PG when Brad went big, particularly to counter PHI's big lineup. It was the right decision.

    The lineup I hated was Al, JT, GH, Smart and TRoz. They got smoked and TRoz sat pretty much the ret of the way. That lineup is way too small vs. PHI.
     
  5. TripleOT

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    Celtics 3-0 against the Sixers this season. pwned
     
  6. BrunanskysSlide

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    I agree with this, but as an armchair coach, he also seems to be a tough teammate, which I'm sure causes people to walk on eggshells around. That outward display at Hayward earlier and throwing the young guys under the bus is probably only part of it. He's by far the most talented guy on the team. I just wish he'd motivate more like AL seems to.
     
  7. DrewDawg

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    Except they're not.
     
  8. TripleOT

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    The Celtics are obviously not a better team without Kyrie. However, Kyrie has to figure out how to merge his top of the league crunch time ability with his teammates' talents. He's the star PG, the team's quarterback, and he needs to lead better.
     
  9. DrewDawg

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    Tatum bounced back from rough 3 of 9 start, going 4 of 6 to help seal it.
     
  10. Deathofthebambino

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    I think folks are a little emotional with the win, rightfully so. But, the reality is for large stretches of that game, the C's offense was not moving the ball around. They just weren't. There was a shitload of ISO ball in the 1st half, guys standing around. They weren't some well oiled machine because Kyrie wasn't there. Basically, Gordon Hayward made everything he took, and Al was incredible when they had the ball go through him, but besides that, this wasn't a great offensive performance by the team as a whole.

    Smart/Rozier combined to go 5/22 from the field and 1/11 from 3. Imagine if Kyrie was out there taking those shots in the 4th instead of Marcus? It might have been a blowout for the C's.

    Kyrie has been much better defensively all year long, with the exception of a couple bad games. But he's so, so much better offensively than Terry Rozier that it more than makes up for it. And Terry hasn't exactly been Gary Payton out there defensively this year.

    On the road, in the playoffs, this team has no shot without Kyrie. Just like they didn't have a shot on the road in the playoffs last year. This win was great, but please don't let it cloud our views of Kyrie. He's a top 10 player in the league.
     
  11. Jed Zeppelin

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    I wish Tatum would just do everything he did to end up with a perfectly good shooting night after chucking some ugly ones.

    Easy to forget he’s still a baby. It is still very clear to me that his floor is basically efficient 20ppg scorer with good D and rebounding. When he sharpens those edges he’s going to be an absolute monster. I’m certainly not going to sweat it if AD goes elsewhere and we “have” to keep him. He rose so far so fast that you take the ridiculous quality of his game for granted.
     
  12. Deathofthebambino

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    His entire game tonight changed after that dunk.
     
  13. ifmanis5

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  14. wade boggs chicken dinner

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    Saw on twitter that the 6 3Ps by GH tied a career high. Kind of wild.
     
  15. Deathofthebambino

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    If you're reading this thread, turn on ESPN. Duke/Lousville tied at 69 with 30 seconds left. Zion with 27 and 12.
     
  16. DeJesus Built My Hotrod

    DeJesus Built My Hotrod Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Glad we cleared that up - not even sure it was necessary but ok.

    In any event, the amazing part of this game is that Butler took 12 shots vs the almost 14 he is averaging this season. He got buckets but the Cs defended him very well and made sure he didn't get comfortable. Embiid as well though we have seen he clearly isn't at ease facing Horford (and your boy when available). Finally, shiny new toy Tobi was simply horrible from the field going 4-12 and 0-6 from deep. The story of this game was the C's defensive gameplan and it was just brilliant.
     
  17. wade boggs chicken dinner

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    Well I willsay tis for TRoz - there was oneplay late in the 4Q where he had an open 3P - but he realized he didn't have it and passed to Tatum.

    I think JT was so surprised he almost dropped thepass.

    And then proceeded to drill a 3P shot.

    LOL
     
  18. RedOctober3829

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  19. wade boggs chicken dinner

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    Also, GH outscored PHI bench.
     
  20. Jed Zeppelin

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    This guy has either bought too much into playing in Philly or he’s just a loser.
     
  21. BigSoxFan

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    Lol boo hoo
     
  22. heavyde050

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  23. benhogan

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    Wade, you've been on fire recently.

    How much fun was it when the Celtics started posting up TJ and taking advantage of that mismatch
     
  24. Jed Zeppelin

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    I’m sure they will fill in with decent buyout guys but they didn’t do enough with all of these assets they supposedly had.
     
  25. benhogan

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    ha, ha... good to have you back
     
  26. bigq

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    I'm not sure he is wrong but the free throw disparity was heavily in his team's favor.
     
  27. wade boggs chicken dinner

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    Here's my heat check.

    PHi 1-7 v TOR, MIL, and BOS.

    Only teams worse?

    CLE. CHI. ATL.

    Don't tell LSox.
     
  28. wade boggs chicken dinner

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    But actually. One thing I really liked this game is that the Cs kept focusing on the correct mismatch - Redduck or TJ - and didn't let up.

    It seems to me that in ordinary games, each player thinks that whoever is guarding them is a mismatch and the game devolves into ISO ball.

    Tonight, they went after the mismatch but it wasn't ISO ball. Hope they can figure this out against other teams.
     
  29. wade boggs chicken dinner

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  30. DeJesus Built My Hotrod

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    They put Redick on Smart and he couldn't take advantage with his newfound jumper but he did get a few shots off in the post against him.

    The reality is that the Celtics are a mismatch problem for Philly. The 76ers starting five is great but the C's can handle them. When Philadelphia's bench pieces come in, the C's have a huge advantage.
     
  31. DrewDawg

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  32. RedOctober3829

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    Brad played it like a playoff game tonight. Going after the mismatches is what you do in the playoffs. Glad he did this. Would’ve liked to have seen Brown in over Smart b
     
  33. Van Everyman

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    I noted to my wife that when Al made his first FT in the fourth quarter that he was 1/1. She knew exactly what I meant.
     
  34. benhogan

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    When it got tight they exploited their size mismatches w/JJ or TJ as they should.

    I wish Brad would play Brown or Tatum at the 2 with Smart or Rozier at the point more often. No reason to have Smart and Rozier on the court at the same time especially with Kyrie out
     
  35. ifmanis5

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  36. luckiestman

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    On KI, we definitely are better with Drew but we don’t seem to be as much better as we should be with him.
     
  37. Van Everyman

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  38. Stu Nahan

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    Oh, please. Embiid, of all people, making that complaint after the way the game was called tonight is a joke. Great win for the Celtics.
     
  39. Buster Olney the Lonely

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    I mean, he’s not wrong.
     
  40. Kliq

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    A lot of credit to Smart for recognizing that Embiid had five fouls and finishing strong at the rim; biggest sequence of the game right there. Maybe Smart didn’t know Embiid had five fouls and was going for the flush regardless, but either way a great win!
     
  41. DeJesus Built My Hotrod

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    Al Horford, for a variety of reasons, is one of the best acquisitions the Celtics have ever made and as we know, they have made quite a few good ones.

    The guy is really good at a lot of technical basketball and while he isn't a hugely vocal leader, his jawing at the refs seemed to set the tone for the team in this game.

    I hope they can keep him around. I would love to see him win another ring next year.
     
  42. DeJesus Built My Hotrod

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    I am willing to bet Smart knew. I don't buy him as a 40% three point shooter but everything he does, including setting the defense and how he positions himself on both ends of the court suggests he is very aware of tendencies, game situations and what actions the opposing team is trying to run.
     
  43. luckiestman

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    That Smart dunk was my favorite offensive play of his career.

    Him breaking Harden mentally is my favorite defensive and overall play
     
  44. DeJesus Built My Hotrod

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  45. luckiestman

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    This was a great little tweet vid if you follow the Ringer

     
  46. scottyno

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    Must be one hell of a coincidence that he basically shoots like shit every time he ever faces the Cs
     
  47. chilidawg

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    Smart in down the stretch drove me nuts, his shot just wasn't even close, nor has it been for a few games. I would have liked to see Rozier/Tatum/Hayward/Horford and either Brown or Morris. Rozier at least had a chance at making a shot. Of course Smart makes a "winning play" (and it certainly was one), but man it was brutal the rest of the time watching him out there.

    Great win though, really impressed how they responded to the 9-0 run to start the second half. It all could have unravelled there but they hung tough and pulled it out.
     
  48. Devizier

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    It really seems like a touches issue than a Kyrie issue
     
  49. wade boggs chicken dinner

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