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11/16 - Raptors

Discussion in '2018 Celtics Game Threads' started by Light-Tower-Power, Nov 16, 2018.

  1. DrewDawg

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    Tatum, Hayward, and Horford shot a combined 57% from the floor, 40% from deep, and had 47 points on 30 shots. That, and Kyrie doing his thing, is exactly how we want this to go.
     
  2. BigSoxFan

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    Anyone have a screen grab of this?
     
  3. DrewDawg

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    Game was on ESPN, so we should be able to access it on espn3.com

    I'm guessing he means the shot of the bench here. FIrst video, Irving's layup. At the 14 second mark or so you see guys sitting on bench. I cannot ascertain their level of sullenness.

    http://www.espn.com/nba/video?gameId=401070897
     
  4. Jed Zeppelin

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    Jaylen balled out early. Inconsistent, still, but he has plenty of flashes of what we saw last year.
     
  5. mikeot

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    This.
     
  6. Light-Tower-Power

    Light-Tower-Power Member SoSH Member

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    We’ll see it on Ximo too. It was glaring and sad. You never would have seen that last season.
     
  7. ehaz

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    Hayward played the most minutes on the team (39) and was +18.

    Maybe he was right about the minute restriction?
     
  8. bankshot1

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    The Celts played much better tonight and got good games from several guys (I really liked Hayward's game) and against a very good and deep team with a great player in KL, but it took a semi-heroic effort by KI in 4Q and OT to win this thing.
     
  9. Jed Zeppelin

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    Those guys come out with fire against Utah and it’s nbd.
     
  10. lovegtm

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    Yeah, they're all going to get tons of featured minutes on Saturday. I'd be shocked if Kyrie, Hayward, or Horford go over 30.
     
  11. BigSoxFan

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    Smart and Brown will be fine. I’m not convinced on Rozier. He looks like he wants out in a big way.
     
  12. DeJesus Built My Hotrod

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    Utah is scuffling and on the road, in a far time zone, on the second night of a back to back. It won't be easy but the Cs should handle them.

    Jabari Parker clearly has a little bit of a chip on his shoulder apparently.
     
  13. DrewDawg

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    I guess I'm struggling to see why your best player playing well in a close win is apparently not a good thing. It's not like Theis came in to rescue them and score 35 points.

    I mean, it's like saying "Yeah, the Pats won again, but it took Brady going 28/35 for 400 yards to do it."

    Yes. That's perfectly acceptable.
     
  14. Light-Tower-Power

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    Agreed. I understand it sucks go to from Scary Terry in the playoffs to a bench guy the next year but he looks unfocused and selfish on the court and isn’t fitting in with anything this team is trying to do. I’m honestly not sure Wannamaker would be a worse option off the bench right now.
     
  15. lovegtm

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    Yup, I'm not sure how they handle this, but they're sure as hell not going to blow a team this talented over Terry fucking Rozier.
     
  16. DeJesus Built My Hotrod

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    I know its on me but I sometimes feel like I am watching a completely different team and game than some of you guys. I am not worried about the rotations yet though I agree some of them are tough to watch. And I am not too concerned by their record to start the season - certainly not enough to call them mediocre. I am also not concerned about Brad figuring things out on the fly. That said, I agree that some of the diminished roles for guys like Brown and Rozier may be tough on them. They are both still on their rookie contracts so it has a potential impact beyond ego.

    That said, I am entirely pleased with how they played and won this game against a legit top three or four roster. But again, perhaps others are right and there is a lot to be concerned about here. Again, its a "me" problem given the number of negative/concerned posts in threads like these. I mean, some people thought Hayward had a "meh" game. And I guess he did if you just look at certain numbers so maybe I am wrong.
     
  17. benhogan

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    Kyle Draper annoys Scal
     
  18. benhogan

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    yep, many different opinions on the board but I don't see too much hand-wringing
     
  19. RedOctober3829

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    Great game tonight. Starting to see some of what this team can be on the offensive end. Kyrie’s best game as a Celtic. Hayward looking more comfortable having one of his best games this year. It’s a good step in the right direction.
     
  20. BigSoxFan

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    I would love to know what they’ve been offered for him. Probably not much. Ainge is in a tough spot with Rozier.
     
  21. bankshot1

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    I didn't say KI scoring 43 was not a good thing, it was great. And he was spetacular and a blast to watch. In fact that level of brilliance was probably a must-have to win a home game against a good opponent.

    I look forward to his 50 points against Toronto in Toronto and 60+ in Oakland.

    And I'd be thrilled to see Theis score 35, the game would probably be a blow-out, and not a thriller in OT.
     
  22. benhogan

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    keep him, we'll get injuries
     
  23. Ale Xander

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    Kawhi's a wing, and Gordon's a wing. They play the same position. What exactly is your point?
     
  24. Kenny F'ing Powers

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    Kyrie hasn't played great for large stretches this season. If you dont understand how him playing better is a good thing - or that several other players have plenty of wiggle room to improve as the season progresses - I'm not sure what to tell you.

    We wont need him to score 40 when some combination of Hayward, Tatum, Brown, Rozier, and Horford all start to play to loftier expectations. That Kyrie seems to be shaking off the rust first is still a good thing.
     
  25. Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat

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  26. bigq

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    Irving was impeccable tonight. There are few players in the league that are as fun to watch. My goodness that was an impressive performance.
     
  27. DrewDawg

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    That Kawhi doesn't always match up on someone that just happens to play wing and that Hayward had a really good game--15 points on 8 shots, 5 boards, 5 assists, 2 FTs to tie game in last 30 seconds, and played a team high 39 minutes.
     
  28. JCizzle

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    Agreed. He was incredible.
     
  29. JCizzle

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    Preach
     
  30. scottyno

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    One thing I'm not sure anyone is talking about, the Cs record will just get better just by the schedule evening out. Coming into today they had played 5 games at home and 9 on the road and already went out west once, even that out and you likely add a win or 2 and no one is complaining.
     
  31. bankshot1

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    I'm thrilled with him playing better.

    I understand that KI playing well is a very good thing.

    The point that seems to escape some, is it took one of his best games as a pro, 43 points 11 assists, to get into OT at home.

    I'd put this win into some context, other than "YAY CELTS".
    Other than that I have no more to tell you.
     
  32. Ale Xander

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    Not sure why you left my name out of it so I wouldn't get a notification, but whatever. 4 baskets, and 5 boards for 39 minutes of work. Meh. Maybe I just have higher expectations. Half the people that post in this forum can probably make 2 free throws.

    Maybe if the Raptors were smart, they should have put Kawhi exclusively on Kyrie, since, you know, he can match up on other positions. That guy had more than 4 baskets. And more than 5 assists.
     
  33. NJ_Sox_Fan

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    It really was ... I read need to get up here for more Celtics games (and Bruins) ... Always too busy spending all my money on Sox tickets.
     
  34. Big John

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    I thought it was Hayward's best game as a Celtic.
     
  35. JohnnyTheBone

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    Haha, you're right. I couldn't help myself, and I wasn't alone. Maddening.

    Kyrie is a truly gifted scorer, a true marvel. He's a cut above the best of the rest. If you want to win a title, you need a guy like him. Great, great win tonight. Sent a loud message.
     
  36. amarshal2

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    Hayward was really good. The offense played well when he touched the ball.
     
  37. Kenny F'ing Powers

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    Reread my second paragraph.

    In a few months when other players are playing up to expectations, you wont need this type of Kyrie performance.

    He carried us to a win we didnt deserve, but wont have to later. You're factually correct, but the doom and gloom isnt sticking to anyone else for a reason. Have some perspective.
     
  38. wade boggs chicken dinner

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    I still have this on DVR; I'll have to go check it out.

    One thing about JB. He started out with 7 points in the like the first 10 minutes but didn't score again. The only thing he's making with consistency is right corner 3s (44.4%) as he's 1-6 on left corner 3s (missed at least 1 wide open last night) and 26.7% on above the break 3s (he was 37.5% last year).

    JB isn't playing well enough to be in at crunch time and I'm a huge JB guy.
     
  39. DrewDawg

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    Lol. Okay, man. Have a good one.
     
  40. DrewDawg

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    Since the other guys all played well, isn't it more likely that there was some deference to Irving because he was on tonight?

    I think what you're saying has much more merit if the rest of the team had shot 24% from the floor and only Irving played well--then it's more on point to say "Yeah, but we mostly played like ass except for KI."
     
  41. DrewDawg

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    Is the "pouting" players thing showing up anywhere else yet? Looking at the usual folks on twitter and not seeing anything.
     
  42. bankshot1

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    I assume and hope the Celts will contnue to play better as a team. Last night was a very good and entertaining game (even when the Celts were losing and I posted that sentiment during the game ) , but there was no "Gloom and Doom" in my take away. if it came off that way it was unintended.

    But it took an extraordinary game by KI, a career top-5 type of game, AND a one-on-one showdown/great stop on KL by MaMO at the buzzer, to get into OT and then a W, and IMO despite the W, there remain some kinks to work out and issues to deal with. And I have no problem putting that one in the W column, it was deserved, as It also took a great game by KL to almost steal a road W against a very good team.
     
  43. RedOctober3829

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    Are you just trolling or legitimately pissed that they had to go to OT to win? I mean they played the team that’s going to be at the top of the East with them in April. It’s going to be a tough game to win regardless of where the game is.

    It’s pretty clear that the expectations for the Celtics were overblown out of the gate. They are a work in progress on offense, but they will get to where many of us thought preseason. Hayward and Irving will only get better. Horford is the ideal 3rd wheel jack of all trades. The pieces are there. Just enjoy the process of the team gelling together
     
  44. bankshot1

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    I'm neither trolling nor pissed about in the manner of the way they won. They won a great game, and that sentiment was posted during the game thread, it was a great game, I mostly enjoyed the entire 53 minutes, but they still have issues to deal with. And Its escaping me why mentioning that seems to so upset people.

    YAY CELTS!

    JFC
     
  45. Kenny F'ing Powers

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    I'm not sure who's disagreeing the team has flaws. That seems obvious.

    My disagreement was simply in the idea that Kyrie will have to continue to post career games to beat good teams. This game didnt "fix" this team, but it was a good sign.
     
  46. bankshot1

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    That was a little post-game hyperbole.

    And I agree most of the take-aways from last night were positive. I thought Gordo played his best game of the year last night, a real solid 2-way effort that was a big factor.

    Last night was a real good win.

    On to Cinncinnati.

    or Utah
     
  47. Light-Tower-Power

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    Nah, I haven't seen it anywhere else. Probably a beer induced overreaction on my part. They were definitely sitting while everyone else was standing but it must not be a big deal.
     
  48. Van Everyman

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    One thing that struck me before Kyrie got hurt last year was that the C’s almost always seemed to play better when he scored 20-25 points – that when he went for 30+ they almost always seemed to lose or at least not play as well. This year has been the reverse – it seems that nights where Kyrie is pedestrian the team is as well.

    I guess I’m not so worried because, despite underperformance thus far, the talent is there. It’s pretty clear in retrospect that last year’s team rallied in the wake of Gordon’s injury and that Tatum and Brown (and Rozier when Kyrie went down) in particular stepped up in ways they weren’t expected to. But they did and it’s not like that ability disappears into the ether because the rotation changes. These are good players and that they would now be having some trouble adjusting to new roles given what are effectively new acquisitions in Gordon and Kyrie shouldn’t be surprising or depressing given where they are in their individual development.

    If they keep needing Kyrie to drop 40 to get them to OT at home, sure, worry. But one of the things I was a bit worried about out of the gate was whether the surgeries would have taken a permanent toll on Kyrie. That he is looking vintage (and playing *much* better D) should be a sign of optimism, not concern.
     
  49. DrewDawg

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    Gotcha. They were the other guys playing minutes so perhaps they were tired.

    Something to keep eye on tonight
     
  50. luckiestman

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    That’s a good take. Kyrie was looking sluggish to start the season. I was concerned it was injury related. Bambino has hair as the culprit and Tommy said Drew was fat. Whatever it was, I’m just happy he looks good to go now.
     

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