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10/6: Tanaka vs. Price

Discussion in '2018 Yankees Game Threads' started by terrynever, Oct 6, 2018.

  1. jon abbey

    jon abbey Shanghai Warrior Dope SoSH Member

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    People forget how bad almost every pitcher is on 3 days rest. Happ has never pitched on 3 days rest in his career, he pitched once on 2 days rest (?) and got shelled. Sale has pitched once on 3 days rest in his career, 5 7 3 3 2 3. It's almost never the best option.
     
  2. terrynever

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    This makes the most sense to me. Only the legends can succeed on short rest in the postseason. Randy Johnson in his prime, coming out of the bullpen in 2001. Bob Gibson in 1964.
    None of the Boston or Yankee pitchers fit that description. CC did it in his prime, a decade ago.
     
  3. VORP Speed

    VORP Speed Well-Known Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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    Kimbrel. Would you rather use your best short relief arm to get through the top half of the order once in a tied game or let him sit unused in the pen while your $30m per year but not elite “starter” gets shelled?
     
  4. crow216

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    You go CC with all hands on deck in game 4 if you’re down 2-1 in the series.

    If you’re up 2-1, you go CC with Tanaka backing him up if he goes less than 3.

    If you’re up 2-1 and CC works into the 4th/5th, bullpen can take it without using any starters.

    On another note, how valuable is our bench? Gardner is the man, Hecheverria is a wiz, and Romine has had a good offensive year while providing okay defense.
     
  5. terrynever

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    That's the type of move that would get a first-year manager who just won 108 games fired.
    One of Boone's underrated moves thus far has been moving Betances up and pitching him two innings in the middle of the game. Why is the first inning so important? Why not the fifth or sixth?
     
  6. VORP Speed

    VORP Speed Well-Known Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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    Doesn’t get you fired if the front office and ownership is on board.

    The first inning isn’t more important than any other inning, but also isn’t less important. It’s a good way to guarantee that a short inning guy gets a clean inning + against the top of the order in a close game. It’s predictable. If you have a 3-6 out ace and you’re playing a 5 game series with 2 rest days, how many times should that guy pitch? He should pitch every game. He should pitch something like 5-7 out of the 45 innings. Giving innings to worse pitchers while not maximizing the innings of your best pitchers doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. To the extent you can match those innings up against the other team’s best hitters, all the better. Doing it in the middle innings is fine, too, but leaving your best cards unplayed seems like a mistake.
     
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  7. jon abbey

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    So just to be clear, you are being a hundred percent serious in this as it relates to what BOS should have done in game 2? I honestly wasn't sure the first couple of posts.
     
  8. jon abbey

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    I think it depends on your personnel, in NY's case they have the luxury to have three more closers behind him, so let Betances go at the top of the lineup third time through if at all possible, it has worked very well twice in three games now (although I am certain Boone only left Tanaka in for Betts because pitcher wins require 5 innings and sometimes old-school idiocy rules the moment, and it almost burned him as Mookie roped a 105 MPH bullet to the wall in dead center). It is pretty brilliant, and they didn't do it once all year until the wild card game. You knock the solid SP out of the game in the 5th and Dellin comes in and all of a sudden it is the 7th and the bottom of the lineup is still up (hopefully). That is a huge weapon, not just literally.
     
  9. jon abbey

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    Also, the Braiser/Sanchez thing was certainly awesome from Braiser's perspective, but pretty sure the possibly resuscitated Kraken had another AB after that.
     
  10. terrynever

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    Can't argue with your thinking. Tampa has certainly opened this new debate.
    Next logical step would be to develop pitchers in the minors to become "openers" and learn how to prepare themselves to pitch every other day. The "throw day" in the bullpen suddenly becomes a live competition.
    What constitutes a pitcher who can open games? One dominant pitch? Pinpoint control? Two pitches? A whole arsenal? How much do you pay the guy? How long will his career last?
     
  11. terrynever

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    That was a great sidebar to Sanchez's game. He said his hands were stinging from getting jammed on a foul ball. Ron Darling offered the same thought. Brasier was certainly within his rights to get pissed off.

    Cora said something after the game about Sanchez "leaning over the plate" on his first home run swing. I wonder if Eovaldi will knock him and Judge off the plate a few times? I would.
     
  12. VORP Speed

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    No, actually I started off making fun of Price being a headcase and overpaid and an albatross, but it evolved into what I think is a legitimate point that using your best reliever only in save situations is stupid. Short series with built in rest should allow you to be even more creative in doling out innings than you can be during the regular season.
     
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  13. Just a bit outside

    Just a bit outside Well-Known Member Silver Supporter SoSH Member

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    I think the I would want to hold Kimbral because you might need him in a higher leverage situation against those same guys later in the game. I think starting a right handed reliever like Barnes, Brazier, or Kelly would certaintly be the right move if you have a lefty starter against the Yankees. I wonder if Houston would do it if they face the Yanks and Keuchel is scheduled to start. Although, they might just leave him out of the rotation altogether.
     
  14. jon abbey

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    Hmm, I think it is actually the opposite (of course depending on specific personnel), a short series with rest allows you to shorten the list of guys you use. You will not see a better game of (unintentional) bullpen-ing than NY had against MIN in last year's Wild Card game, Green/Robertson/Kahnle a combined 7.2 4 1 1 3 10 in between a bedshitting by Severino and the ninth by Chapman. Under your logic, they should have split those 7.2 innings up between five or six guys, which maybe makes sense with TB personnel but not with NY's, last year or this.

    As for BOS, I'm not sure who you have closing in games Kimbrel is out of already, but I think you may be trying to kill people here.
     
  15. ThePrideofShiner

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    How does HFA in the World Series work? Wins? Division winners?

    If the Yankees were to somehow make it would they have home field advantage because they won more regular season games than anyone in the NL?
     
  16. jon abbey

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    Better record, so the AL team unless it’s CLE.
     
  17. VORP Speed

    VORP Speed Well-Known Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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    I agree with you. I meant creative in the sense of make sure you use your best pitchers as much as possible....even if it means rethinking which innings they pitch and changing usage patterns from the regular season.

    On to the Bronx. I predict 2 HR by Judge tonight.
     

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