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1/18 @ Grizzlies

Discussion in '2018 Celtics Game Threads' started by mikeot, Jan 18, 2019.

  1. Imbricus

    Imbricus Member SoSH Member

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    Why the hell is Memphis taking a timeout? They're down 10 with 30 seconds left.
     
  2. DeJesus Built My Hotrod

    DeJesus Built My Hotrod Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    The C's won this game handily. Irving is their lead scorer. I am not sure what the problem is.
     
  3. Imbricus

    Imbricus Member SoSH Member

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    Yeah, most of the night Memphis was fairly deadly from three-point range, which made things hard.
     
  4. dhellers

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    Otoh if he is going to diss his teammates for mediocre effort, he has to walk the walk. At least for a few games
     
  5. Lazy vs Crazy

    Lazy vs Crazy Member SoSH Member

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    What are you doing Memphis
     
  6. benhogan

    benhogan Baynes Hogan SoSH Member

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    Home Run Baker's mea culpa on its way??
     
  7. mikeot

    mikeot Member SoSH Member

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    Were it not for this, we’d have the expected blowout.
     
  8. Imbricus

    Imbricus Member SoSH Member

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    Baynes with 12 boards, Al with 3. We really need him.
     
  9. DeJesus Built My Hotrod

    DeJesus Built My Hotrod Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Can't speak for him but I think the important point is that Stevens continues to adjust his game plans as the season goes along. And they aren't doing this in a vacuum or blindly. They are looking at the data and evolving their line-ups. HRB will remind us that the Grizzlies are free-falling and he is right. But they have talent enough to beat you if aren't ready to play. The C's took care of business tonight. This was a good win.
     
  10. DeJesus Built My Hotrod

    DeJesus Built My Hotrod Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Why? Once again, the average margin of victory in the NBA is four points for the '18-19 season. The C's won by six.
     
  11. Deathofthebambino

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    13 for Baynes, and 7 of them were offensive rebounds.

    You aren't kidding.
     
  12. Deathofthebambino

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    What's the average margin of victory for teams expected to compete for a championship that are playing at home against teams expected to have pretty good odds for a top 5 pick?

    I don't know what kind of relevance the margin of victory in the Brooklyn/Orlando game tonight has on the C's/Grizzlies game.
     
  13. benhogan

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    Agree with all that, and I'm just joking about HRB.

    Season-high minutes for AB, they are 4-0 when he plays 20+mpg
     
  14. DrewDawg

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    That’s a feature not a bug. It’s not a weakness when your best player plays like it.
     
  15. DrewDawg

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    I don’t know. Check the Toronto/Phoenix score from last night.
     
  16. DeJesus Built My Hotrod

    DeJesus Built My Hotrod Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    The Brooklyn Orlando game was a two point game. Not sure what it means too. Its just that folks who expect wire-to-wire leads and blowout wins regularly don't appear to be looking at data.

    And to sort of answer your question, the Warriors net rating is six points overall and they have played three more games at home than on the road this season.
     
  17. lars10

    lars10 Well-Known Member Silver Supporter SoSH Member

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    https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/average-scoring-margin
     
  18. mikeot

    mikeot Member SoSH Member

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    Always enlightening, DeJesus.
     
  19. DeJesus Built My Hotrod

    DeJesus Built My Hotrod Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    I don't know that I am at all. And I know I get a lot of well deserved shit for trying to cheerlead this team. However, for me at least, I tend to enjoy sports a lot more when I manage my expectations. If the C's beat a true tanking team after the trade-deadline by one or two points, I would be concerned. But aside from that, a win is a win, regardless of the margin. YRMV.
     
  20. Deathofthebambino

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    That doesn't answer my question. You guys know that average scoring margin and average margin of victory are different statistics, right? One only takes into account a team's wins, while the other is the net of all of their wins and losses.

    But, if you want to go with scoring margin, the Celtics came into tonight with an average scoring margin of +10.8 at home. So, let's just start from that baseline. Now, if we filter out every team that's better than Memphis, that number goes up significantly. So yeah, a 6 point win at home against a team that's lost 10 of 11 is probably not a great showing for the Celtics.

    The fact that an average team on an average night on a neutral site or undisclosed location would normally win by 4 points is, well, completely irrelevant to what the Celtics should win by against the Grizzlies tonight, at home.

    Edit: Vegas had the Celtics favored by 10.5 tonight. I guess they should just make every game a 4 point spread, because that's what the average margin of victory is for every game in the NBA tonight? It doesn't make any sense to look at it that way. That's all I'm saying.
     
  21. DrewDawg

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    What are you saying? That because we didn’t cover the spread that....what?
     
  22. Deathofthebambino

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    This, I have no problem with. Shit, I've been banging that same drum about the Patriots for 20 years. A win is a win. I agree. I personally would rather have not seen the sloppiness we saw tonight, with 17 turnovers, and I'd rather see Brad try to make more of an effort to put opponents away early, and then rest guys, rather than rest guys and have to bury opponents at the end of games, but all in all, yeah, any win is better than a loss, by a mile.
     
  23. Deathofthebambino

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    I think I've been pretty clear. Dejesus questioned another poster and asked him why he would expect a blowout when the average margin of victory in the NBA is 4 points. What I'm saying is that the average margin of victory for the entire NBA has absolutely no relevance as to whether or not someone should expect to see a blowout between two teams. Vegas clearly expected a blowout. The Celtics own margin of victory at home would have presumed a blowout. All of those things are a whole lot more relevant than whatever happened tonight between two other teams playing somewhere else.
     
  24. CoffeeNerdness

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    More Baynes and Al on the court at the same time going forward per Brad in the post game.
     
  25. Deathofthebambino

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    I think Benhogan just passed out.
     
  26. Ed Hillel

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    OMFG YES

    Al’s negative defense at the 5 is nearly negating his positive offense. He’s going to be a much more valuable player when he isn’t responsible for guarding the paint and fighting bigger and stronger men underneath. Should save him a ton of energy, too.
     
  27. Montana Fan

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    Love this site! Good post Dejesus, as usual.

    Good win tonite. Was at meetings this week and am watching Toronto and then the Brooklyn game. Loving this Toronto game too.
     
  28. benhogan

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    It's about freaking time, more winning on the way.

    Every statistical measure shows the team plays better w/Baynes on the floor. PLUS the complete ineptitude of our small ball lineups from Day 1.

    The follow-up question to Brad should have been:

    What took so damn long?
     
  29. benhogan

    benhogan Baynes Hogan SoSH Member

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    +1
     
  30. DeJesus Built My Hotrod

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    To be clear, I am only citing the average margin of victory for the entire NBA. So that takes into account every game played.

    As for the average scoring margin, yes that is something different. The thing is, the sample is much smaller as the Celtics have played 22 games at home while the NBA season to date has featured far more games than that - so the 22 games weigh blowouts far more than the entire season of games played. Furthermore, we can all agree that Boston has struggled in stretches so their scoring margin may not really be representative of who they are, especially as they play another half a season.

    Finally, I am loathe to question Vegas but if you told me the bookies had the Cs favored by 10.5 tonight, I would have taken the Grizzlies before the game just given how the Celtics have played this past stretch. On the other hand, they have beaten some ok teams by big margins at home so that is probably why they were favored by so much.

    In the end, as you know, the NBA doesn't use scoring for any sort of seeding purposes. While I enjoy sound beat-downs as much if not more than anyone, I would take the C's winning a healthy clip of their games by one point each. As you noted upthread, a win is a win.
     
  31. Curtis Pride

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    I looked at the boxscore and saw that Marcus Smart scored 20 points on just 9 shots. I shook my head in amazement.
     
  32. GoDa

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    Last time I went to C's game McHale dropped 56. Kyrie made my return a good one.
     

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