 Top 100 Red Sox of all Time -- Nominations 1-10 |
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 Jun 14 2009, 08:17 PM
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 Malachi's Secret Lover  Posts: 10,436 From: Burlington, MA  |
A couple of weeks ago I was perusing some other blogs and happened upon Royals Review and noticed that they had Top 100 Royals of all time (I think that they're up to about 30 or so) and I wanted to do the same thing for the Sox. But I didn't want it to be one man's opinion.
This got me thinking. What I propose that we do is similar to what is being done in Sean Berry's awesome Greatest of All Time thread (BTW, if you haven't checked it out, go to the MLB section after reading this). For the next few months we're going to embark on something that should be pretty cool and will also be a nicel introduction the Sons of Sam Horn .com site. Each week we're going to do is nominate 20 of the greatest Red Sox players and then vote on those same players the following week. If there are 25 players nominated, we will only vote on the top 20. Those extra players (also those who didn't make the week's voting cut) will be tossed back into the nomination thread. The 20 players with the most nomination votes will move to the following weeks votes, so even if 15 people have nominated someone, you should nominate that player too; just in case. Unlike the GOAT thread, you can nominate as many players as you want. But like the GOAT thread the nominees have to be bolded. If they aren't bolded, they won't count. You will then go to the .com site and vote in the poll (it will be linked in the poll thread), I'm still working out the details now with other dopes but all will be explained very soon. The nominations and polls close on Friday morning. The one thing that you will notice is that this is going to be a count down (1-100), not a count up (100-1). There are two reasons for this: 1. I couldn't figure out how we could get an accurate count up 2. I think that the top ten is going to be pretty anticlimactic. I can pretty much guarantee who 1-5 are going to be, what I'm interested in hearing who number 43 or 19 or 76 is and why. And that's another thing, feel free to question other choices and be prepared to defend yours. This is supposed to be a fun topic and hopefully, we'll spark some really interesting discussions. And also, any reasons why you think that your Sox player should be in the top 100 will be used. If you want to look at it from a numbers perspective, go for it. If you want to look at it from word-of-mouth POV, awesome. If you want to base it on both, even better. I'll get it started off with seven players: Ted Williams Carl Yastrzemski Pedro Martinez Roger Clemens Tris Speaker Jimmie Foxx Manny Ramirez Let me know if there are any questions. -------------------- "Nothing is mean if it's funny enough" -- Eddie Haskell
"I am like a Phoenix rising from Arizona" -- Frank Costanza "There's nothing funny about schtick in the bathroom" -- Jeff Greene Want to read something interesting? Check it out: www.19thoughts.blogspot.com |
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Jun 14 2009, 08:22 PM
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 Trust me, I'm a doctor  Posts: 7,007 From: My Desk |
Ted Williams
This post has been edited by Trautwein's Degree: Jun 14 2009, 09:51 PM -------------------- People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
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Jun 14 2009, 08:23 PM
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  Posts: 4,790 From: The 718 |
Great idea for a thread. A good friend is one of the writers at Faith and Fear in Flushing, a Mets blog that counted up from 100. Very entertaining.
Cy Young Carlton Fisk Jim Rice for a couple of obvious ones. I am also interested mostly in the lower tiers. To do this right, we'll have to do some pretty thorough research - there are probably a bunch of guys in the first half of the 20th century who deserve consideration and with whom we're not familair. -------------------- People have way too much time on their hands. They need to start volunteering, or to have some kind of purpose in their life.
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Jun 14 2009, 08:26 PM
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Ted Williams
Carl Yastrzemski Pedro Martinez Roger Clemens Tris Speaker Jimmie Foxx Manny Ramirez Lefty Grove Wade Boggs Roger Clemens -------------------- 1903 - 1912 - 1915 - 1916 - 1918 - 2004 - 2007
1 - 4 - 6 - 8 - 9 - 14 - 27 shawnrbu: Brenly hasn't managed the D'Backs since 2004. E5Yaz: For some of us, it'll always be 2004 |
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Jun 14 2009, 08:29 PM
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 Left Coast  Posts: 8,013 From: a better place |
Babe Ruth?
For me it would be easier to segregate by era or decade unless this is strictly a statistical evaluation. What criteria are you using to determine the top? I have no argument with the picks so far. -------------------- "I don't want to jump in unless the music's thumping."
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Jun 14 2009, 08:29 PM
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 Posts: 981 From: Jimmie Foxx's Wheelhouse |
Bobby Doerr
Johnny Pesky Dom DiMaggio Jimmy Collins Babe Ruth Lefty Grove Dwight Evans Jim Rice Reggie Smith Mo Vaughn Nomar Garciaparra Harry Hooper Larry Gardner Rico Petrocelli Rough Carrigan OK, I understand now that we're only nominating players for the top 10. I'll add a new post with my list for the top 10 in bold. I was mentioning these guys as worthy for the top 100. This post has been edited by Smead Jolley: Jun 17 2009, 07:23 AM -------------------- Under Capitalism, man exploits man.
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Jun 14 2009, 08:30 PM
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 wants to be caribou ken Posts: 2,142 From: KNFG |
Curt Schilling
Dwight Evans Luis Tiant -------------------- It is discouraging how rarely people point to violence as a legit option for conflict resolution- Reggie Cleveland
I mean, I like puppy dogs and rainbows, too-Myt1 |
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Jun 14 2009, 08:30 PM
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Posts: 4,790 From: The 718 |
just went over to the Sox all-time leaders page for hitters at b-r to do some poking around for this, and this is so incredible, I have to post it.
This is the list of single season leaders for OBP in Red Sox history: On-Base% Rank Player OBP Year 1. Ted Williams .553 1941 2. Ted Williams .526 1957 3. Ted Williams .513 1954 4. Ted Williams .499 1942 5. Ted Williams .499 1947 6. Ted Williams .497 1946 7. Ted Williams .497 1948 8. Ted Williams .496 1955 9. Ted Williams .490 1949 10. Ted Williams .479 1956 That's right: -Ted's tenth-best year is better than anyone else's best single season ever in Red Sox history. -Dude had three years where he got on base HALF THE TIME OR MORE (and six more years where he got on base 49% of the time). That's just ridiculous. This post has been edited by OilCanShotTupac: Jun 14 2009, 08:31 PM -------------------- People have way too much time on their hands. They need to start volunteering, or to have some kind of purpose in their life.
-Mrs. OCST, after reading P&G |
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Jun 14 2009, 08:32 PM
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 Cosmic Muffin Posts: 10,639 From: the banks of the Scratchyercrotchee River |
Ted Williams
Bobby Doerr Joe Cronin Carl Yastrezemski Carlton Fisk -------------------- "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." — H. L. Menken
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Jun 14 2009, 08:37 PM
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Posts: 981 From: Jimmie Foxx's Wheelhouse |
QUOTE (OilCanShotTupac @ Jun 14 2009, 09:30 PM)  ... That's right: -Ted's tenth-best year is better than anyone else's best single season ever in Red Sox history. -Dude had three years where he got on base HALF THE TIME OR MORE (and six more years where he got on base 49% of the time). That's just ridiculous. It's also ridiculous that many baseball people in his time said he was selfish for not swinging at pitches that weren't in the strike zone. Players that have been on base 50% or more of the time in a season since 1900; Splinter Ruth Bonds McGraw Hornsby Mantle , and that's it. Three players did it in 1894, when the pitcher's mound was moved back to its present distance. This post has been edited by Smead Jolley: Jun 14 2009, 10:02 PM -------------------- Under Capitalism, man exploits man.
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Jun 14 2009, 08:50 PM
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 hates religion, loves Harry Potter Posts: 15,629 From: Not here |
How much should we be taking position into account?
the Red Sox have had an astonishing lack of quality at catcher for a team that has been around this long. I'm pretty sure Jason Varitek is the second best catcher this team has ever had and I have a hard time believing the second best catcher isn't in the top 100 players. -------------------- "Last night, I realized I love lesbians...They're like Yammer with tits."
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Jun 14 2009, 08:55 PM
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wants to be caribou ken Posts: 2,142 From: KNFG |
Since he is going to be the team's career saves leader with three more:
Jonathan Paplebon. -------------------- It is discouraging how rarely people point to violence as a legit option for conflict resolution- Reggie Cleveland
I mean, I like puppy dogs and rainbows, too-Myt1 |
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Jun 14 2009, 09:16 PM
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 SoSH Member Posts: 14,363 |
To get the ball rolling, some names based on production and longevity..
Ted Williams Roger Clemens Carl Yastrzemski Cy Young Dwight Evans Tim Wakefield Jim Rice Pedro Martinez Wade Boggs Mel Parnell Bobby Doerr Lefty Grove Harry Hooper Luis Tiant Tris Speaker Bob Stanley Manny Ramirez Joe Wood Dom DiMaggio Frank Sullivan I think this concept is going to get very interesting starting in week 2, and especially 3. |
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Jun 14 2009, 09:18 PM
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Transcends message boarding Posts: 9,206 From: Oregon |
Mel Parnell
-------------------- "Occupying space is generally the last skill to deteriorate." -- P'tucket rhymes with ...
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Jun 14 2009, 09:20 PM
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David Ortiz is most definitely among the top 100 Red Sox of all Time.
-------------------- "It's a dirty era folks, deal with it. Of course, I think the segregation era in the "good old days" was much worse, and I think the greenie era gets too much odf a pass as well. The false image of baseball as a pristine and pure game throughout history that many continue to put forward is actually pretty fucking annoying."
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Jun 14 2009, 09:23 PM
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 A Gentleman and a Scallop Posts: 16,145 From: Falmouth, MA on Cape Cod |
QUOTE (Gunfighter 09 @ Jun 14 2009, 09:55 PM) Since he is going to be the team's career saves leader with three more: Jonathan Paplebon. Uhhh... Spelling counts, dude. Sincerely, The Ghose of Cuzittt -------------------- "Taking a chick ballroom dancing is the fastest way into her pants short of The Weebs Method." -- Maalox
"That thread requires a password. What is P & G?" -- John W Henry |
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Jun 14 2009, 09:23 PM
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 Snipped in 1998 Posts: 2,536 From: Ontario |
Carl Mays
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Jun 14 2009, 09:33 PM
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 Bouncing with Anger  Posts: 10,651 From: Sinister Funkhouse #17 |
QUOTE (Jack Sox @ Jun 14 2009, 10:20 PM) David Ortiz is most definitely among the top 100 Red Sox of all Time. Not to say he wouldn't be in the Top 10... but that is really what we are nominating right now. We aren't trying to discern the Top 100 in one week. -------------------- "And the pitch that gets thrown is not necessarily the pitch that gets thrown " - paulftodd
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Jun 14 2009, 09:34 PM
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Trust me, I'm a doctor Posts: 7,007 From: My Desk |
QUOTE (Cuzittt @ Jun 14 2009, 10:33 PM) Not to say he wouldn't be in the Top 10... but that is really what we are nominating right now. We aren't trying to discern the Top 100 in one week. Aren't we trying to nominate the top 20 this week? -------------------- People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
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Jun 14 2009, 09:39 PM
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 did you know i worked for the red sox? Posts: 7,854 From: Watertown via Natick |
There are many obvious choices. And then there are players whose ranking in this Top 100 has a potential to be way too low. Which is why, for the time being, I will skip over the former and bullet my ballot.
Dwight "Dewey" Evans. Is he Top 10? Well, how many players played virtually their entire career with the Sox and were legitimate HOFers? Someone should compile the Win Shares totals accrued while a member of the Red Sox. |
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