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 Jul 30 2008, 02:54 PM
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....for Brandon Moss. Sean McAdam says the Sox have the offer if they want to accept it.
2008: vs LHH: .208/.281/.325 vs RHH: .228/.297/.268 [table=Table][tr][td=*]G [/td][td=*]IP [/td][td=*] [/td][td=*]ERA [/td][td=*]WHIP [/td][td=*] [/td][td=*]FIP [/td][td=*]xERA [/td][td=*]ERC [/td][td=*] [/td][td=*]BABIP [/td][td=*]LOB% [/td][td=*] [/td][td=*]BR/9 [/td][td=*]H/9 [/td][td=*]HR/9 [/td][td=*] [/td][td=*]K/9 [/td][td=*]BB/9 [/td][td=*]K/BB [/td][/tr][tr][td=*]46 [/td][td=*]55.7 [/td][td=*] [/td][td=*]1.78 [/td][td=*]1.19 [/td][td=*] [/td][td=*]3.11 [/td][td=*]2.55 [/td][td=*]2.47 [/td][td=*] [/td][td=*]0.261 [/td][td=*]84% [/td][td=*] [/td][td=*]10.7 [/td][td=*]7.1 [/td][td=*]0.3 [/td][td=*] [/td][td=*]6.8 [/td][td=*]3.6 [/td][td=*]1.9 [/td][/tr][/table] I'm not the biggest Moss or Mahay fan. Mahay is signed next year for $4m. Do you do the deal? |
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Jul 30 2008, 03:12 PM
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 Posts: 3,747 From: Caracas |
Meh. I'm pretty unimpressed with Mahay - a 37-year-old guy with a 95/59 K/BB ratio over the last two years. He keeps the ball in the ballpark and is lefthanded, which are plusses and obviously losing Moss isn't a big deal. But ultimately he seems more like an improvement on Lopez than a legit late game high leverage guy, which is what we are looking for. If we're just throwing shit against the wall, I'd rather keep Moss and give Chris Smith a shot and/or just trust that one of Masterson, Hansen, or Delcarmen finds a groove.
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Jul 30 2008, 03:15 PM
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  Posts: 2,290 From: deep inside Guido territory |
QUOTE(SoxScout @ Jul 30 2008, 03:54 PM) [snapback]1730016[/snapback] ....for Brandon Moss. Sean McAdam says the Sox have the offer if they want to accept it. 2008: vs LHH: .208/.281/.325 vs RHH: .228/.297/.268 [table=Table][tr][td=*]G [/td][td=*]IP [/td][td=*] [/td][td=*]ERA [/td][td=*]WHIP [/td][td=*] [/td][td=*]FIP [/td][td=*]xERA [/td][td=*]ERC [/td][td=*] [/td][td=*]BABIP [/td][td=*]LOB% [/td][td=*] [/td][td=*]BR/9 [/td][td=*]H/9 [/td][td=*]HR/9 [/td][td=*] [/td][td=*]K/9 [/td][td=*]BB/9 [/td][td=*]K/BB [/td][/tr][tr][td=*]46 [/td][td=*]55.7 [/td][td=*] [/td][td=*]1.78 [/td][td=*]1.19 [/td][td=*] [/td][td=*]3.11 [/td][td=*]2.55 [/td][td=*]2.47 [/td][td=*] [/td][td=*]0.261 [/td][td=*]84% [/td][td=*] [/td][td=*]10.7 [/td][td=*]7.1 [/td][td=*]0.3 [/td][td=*] [/td][td=*]6.8 [/td][td=*]3.6 [/td][td=*]1.9 [/td][/tr][/table] I'm not the biggest Moss or Mahay fan. Mahay is signed next year for $4m. Do you do the deal? I would do it for the simple fact it is an improvement on Lopez and also he is signed for next year. He is having success against both lefties and righties so he could give more than just a situational lefty. He is also a much better candidate than Doug Brocail. He is what the FO is looking for: veteran help. -------------------- "People say, 'What will you do if you don't play football?' Why would I even think of doing anything else? What would I do instead of run out in front of 80,000 people and command 52 guys and be around guys I consider brothers and be one of the real gladiators? Why would I ever want to do anything else? It's so hard to think of anything that would match what I do: Fly to the moon? Jump out of planes? Bungee-jump off cliffs? None of that s--- matters to me. I want to play this game I love, be with my wife and son, and enjoy life."
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Jul 30 2008, 03:16 PM
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 Posts: 1,635 From: The wrong side of the bridge.... |
I dunno. He's having a nice year, but he's 37 years old, his lifetime numbers in Fenway are blah, with too many HR (understandably, since he's a left-handed flyball pitcher), and his current FIP-ERA suggests that the other shoe may be dropping soon.
Is he an improvement over Lopez? Probably. Is he a big enough or certain enough improvement to give up Moss for? I am skeptical. Of course a lot depends on whether we're able to trade Manny and what we're able to get for him. -------------------- LIKE A CAT! LIKE A PUMA!! LIKE A LEOPARD!!!
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Jul 30 2008, 03:21 PM
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Eh, I guess he's better than Lopez but I wouldn't want to pay him $4M next year or lose Moss, who is pretty important depth at this point. Mahay has been really good for the past three years, I guess I just don't really see a LH reliever as being that vital right now.
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Jul 30 2008, 03:35 PM
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QUOTE(Rudy Pemberton @ Jul 30 2008, 04:21 PM) [snapback]1730089[/snapback] Eh, I guess he's better than Lopez but I wouldn't want to pay him $4M next year or lose Moss, who is pretty important depth at this point. Mahay has been really good for the past three years, I guess I just don't really see a LH reliever as being that vital right now. I don't know about the depth thing. The Sox already have Drew, Ellsbury, Coco, Carter, Van Every, and Daeges in AA or higher -- plus there's Reddick as well, although there's no way he should be rushed when Daeges has such a more advanced approach and better command of the strike zone. How many more LHH outfielders does the system need? One from Florida? -------------------- "Excuses are like poems: they're for sissies and no one wants to hear 'em" - Ron Stilanovich
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Jul 30 2008, 03:38 PM
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dj paul pfieffer Posts: 12,373 From: the district |
Moss doesn't really excite me (never has), so I'm on board for this deal.
-------------------- "Why do I have to say this shit every fucking week. Yankee fans are subhuman. They have no rights. They need to be killed. What the fuck are you sitting here for? Go kill them. Hasn't Islam taught you anything?" - Loxie Cakes, dropping knowledge.
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Jul 30 2008, 03:40 PM
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If you are going to trade Moss for a LHP it should be Ohman.
-------------------- So M. MacDougal was dumped by the Nationals. That's like malaria deciding you are not a worthy host to inhabit. - Old Hoss Radbourn on twitter
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Jul 30 2008, 03:43 PM
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To put this deal in perspective, I just talked to someone with the O's and the Red Sox turned down Sherrill for Lowrie.
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Jul 30 2008, 03:48 PM
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 Posts: 3,270 From: Magoun Sq |
From a pure value standpoint, the Royals would be on the "winning" end of this deal. But, Moss has a ceiling in Boston and would be more valuable to KC, and there are similar bats available in Pawtucket if the Sox need to grab one.
Yeah, I'd pull the trigger. I'd be happy for Moss, going to a place where he'd get playing time. This post has been edited by Razor Shines: Jul 30 2008, 03:50 PM -------------------- The House That Dewey Built: http://www.deweyshouse.com
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Jul 30 2008, 03:48 PM
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dj paul pfieffer Posts: 12,373 From: the district |
QUOTE(SoxScout @ Jul 30 2008, 04:43 PM) [snapback]1730170[/snapback] To put this deal in perspective, I just talked to someone with the O's and the Red Sox turned down Sherrill for Lowrie. I'm not shocked. Ignoring Sherill's saves, he's got a 4.23 ERA, and 1.455 WHIP. Mahay is 1.78 ERA and 1.186 WHIP. He's also got a better walk rate, although a lower K rate. -------------------- "Why do I have to say this shit every fucking week. Yankee fans are subhuman. They have no rights. They need to be killed. What the fuck are you sitting here for? Go kill them. Hasn't Islam taught you anything?" - Loxie Cakes, dropping knowledge.
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Jul 30 2008, 03:48 PM
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QUOTE(SoxScout @ Jul 30 2008, 08:43 PM) [snapback]1730170[/snapback] To put this deal in perspective, I just talked to someone with the O's and the Red Sox turned down Sherrill for Lowrie. Straight up? -------------------- "Occupying space is generally the last skill to deteriorate." -- P'tucket rhymes with ...
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Jul 30 2008, 03:50 PM
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The Juggernaut Posts: 18,316 |
OK, you guys have convinced me...I'm on board with this one.
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Jul 30 2008, 03:51 PM
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I would prefer Ohman, but I'd take Mahay over Brocail.
I would shed no tears over sending Moss. Fair price. -------------------- "There were never any good old days; they are today, they are tomorrow; it's a stupid thing we say; cursing tomorrow with sorrow, Hey!" - Gogol Bordello
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Jul 30 2008, 03:52 PM
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QUOTE(E5 Yaz @ Jul 30 2008, 04:48 PM) [snapback]1730197[/snapback] Straight up? That is what I was told, yes. And even given the ERA and WHIP above, apparently he is the pitcher that the Red Sox are most intrigued with. This post has been edited by SoxScout: Jul 30 2008, 03:52 PM |
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Jul 30 2008, 03:52 PM
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 A New Frontier butt boy Posts: 5,251 From: East of the sun; west of the moon |
I wouldn't because I actually think this is turning into a 2006 year, given the injuries, controversies, and kharma. I would keep Moss and all of our young players because we will need them in the future.
-------------------- October 20, 2004 - Mike Francesa: "The Yankees will not lose on Mickey Mantle's birthday."
The next afternoon - Chris "Mad Dog" Russo: "Mike, you were right! Because of the length of the game, the Yankees didn't lose on Mickey Mantle's birthday. Instead, they lost on Whitey Ford's!" |
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Jul 30 2008, 03:53 PM
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When I see Mahay I think Rheal Cormier.
I liked Cormier. For Moss? Do it. -------------------- Petraeus in 2012
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Jul 30 2008, 03:53 PM
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dj paul pfieffer Posts: 12,373 From: the district |
QUOTE(jacklamabe65 @ Jul 30 2008, 04:52 PM) [snapback]1730215[/snapback] I wouldn't because I actually think this is turning into a 2006 year, given the injuries, controversies, and kharma. I would keep Moss and all of our young players because we will need them in the future. We have 3 guys in AAA alone that could probably do exactly what Moss is doing. He's replaceable. -------------------- "Why do I have to say this shit every fucking week. Yankee fans are subhuman. They have no rights. They need to be killed. What the fuck are you sitting here for? Go kill them. Hasn't Islam taught you anything?" - Loxie Cakes, dropping knowledge.
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Jul 30 2008, 03:54 PM
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QUOTE(SoxScout @ Jul 30 2008, 08:52 PM) [snapback]1730214[/snapback] That is what I was told, yes. And even given the ERA and WHIP above, apparently he is the pitcher that the Red Sox are most intrigued with. That ASG work must have really sold Tito on Sherrill -------------------- "Occupying space is generally the last skill to deteriorate." -- P'tucket rhymes with ...
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Jul 30 2008, 03:54 PM
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QUOTE(jacklamabe65 @ Jul 30 2008, 04:52 PM) [snapback]1730215[/snapback] I wouldn't because I actually think this is turning into a 2006 year, given the injuries, controversies, and kharma. I would keep Moss and all of our young players because we will need them in the future. Moss is a 6th OFer on this team. A 5th at best. Moss=Fungible. -------------------- "There were never any good old days; they are today, they are tomorrow; it's a stupid thing we say; cursing tomorrow with sorrow, Hey!" - Gogol Bordello
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