Teixiera Rumor Options

[Morgan's Mag...]

Nope, that's his correct DOB. And he isn't 3 years away as suggested. The kid still isnt hitting for enough power, but "wow" power isnt expected at age 18 in a terrible league/park for hitters. There's plenty of reason to think that he could breakout next year in AA and finish the year in the majors with whichever team he is with. He isn't a 5 tool player though (as suggested in this thread)

He could break out and make the majors next year, but the chances are ridiculously slim. Let's not get carried away - he has > 2:1 K/BB ratio and hasn't even developed doubles power yet. Once in a blue moon you get a guy like Miguel Cabrera who instantaneously makes the leap from this type of performance to major league masher, but more often than not you just end up with Luis Polonia. That's the numbers game of prospectdom.

[Bob420]

sorry about the age, I thought I read 87, not 88 when reading up on him. Anyway, I'm not the only person saying he doesn't have the power people expected. That said, it was expected by some that he'd be Manny Ramirez with the bat.

Forcasting him to be MLB ready by next year seems a tad too hopeful to me though. Eric Duncan was very highly regarded at a young age as well, though of course he had issues with contact rates.
fast edit: It would be like me thinking Lars Anderson could maybe be up next year. While Anderson has a shorter pro track record, he's done better (though his skill set is very different) it would take a monster first half next year in AA ball for him to be even mentioned as a call up.

Lars Anderson is a year older and playing a level lower than Tabata.

[PooNani]

fast edit: It would be like me thinking Lars Anderson could maybe be up next year. While Anderson has a shorter pro track record, he's done better (though his skill set is very different) it would take a monster first half next year in AA ball for him to be even mentioned as a call up.

except lars anderson is still in low A ball and striking out nearly once per game. this is apples and oranges here (not saying lars isnt a good prospect, but his ETA is clearly at least a year behind Tabata's)

He could break out and make the majors next year, but the chances are ridiculously slim. Let's not get carried away - he has > 2:1 K/BB ratio and hasn't even developed doubles power yet. Once in a blue moon you get a guy like Miguel Cabrera who instantaneously makes the leap from this type of performance to major league masher, but more often than not you just end up with Luis Polonia. That's the numbers game of prospectdom.

you're talking about once in a blue moon... how often are prospects hitting over .300 at age 18 in the florida state league? I dont see how Polonia is a good example of someone young crashing when being pushed too hard. Polonia nearly hit .300 (over his career) in the majors but being (generously) 5'8 kinda limited his power

This post has been edited by PooNani: Jul 17 2007, 02:26 PM

[billy ashley]

Lars Anderson is a year older and playing a level lower than Tabata.

I understand this. However, it is likely that Lars will be in AA by next season. If he has a break out season he could be in the majors by next season. Now I wouldn't bet on this but I wouldn't bet on Tabata either. My point was, regardless of their value or talent in relation to each other, I doubt you'll see either in the majors by next season. Expecting a player to step in and dominate Double A when they haven't even hit that great in high A (in the case of Tabata) just seems foolish to me.

except lars anderson is still in low A ball and striking out nearly once per game. this is apples and oranges here (not saying lars isnt a good prospect, but his ETA is clearly at least a year behind Tabata's)
you're talking about once in a blue moon... how often are prospects hitting over .300 at age 18 in the florida state league? I dont see how Polonia is a good example of someone young crashing when being pushed too hard. Polonia nearly hit .300 (over his career) in the majors but being (generously) 5'8 kinda limited his power

He's also walking a lot more than Tabata as well. I agree it's comparing two very different prospects but as I stated above in this post. My point is that I think it would be foolish for anyone to expect someone to step in and have a "break out year" when they make the giant leap from high A to double A.


Again, different skill sets but Eric Duncan did fairly well in the FSL at 19 (a little more than half a year older than Tabata is now) Melky put up a .288 in the FSL when 20. Is Tabata a great prospect, you bet ya. Is he really advanced, yeah. Is he a good bet to be up by next year, not really. The jump to double A is difficult. Do I think he has the talent to make it? 100%, but the odds of him struggling a little bit as he makes the jump is just as good if not better as him crushing as soon as he is promoted.

This post has been edited by billy ashley: Jul 17 2007, 03:09 PM

[asphyxiation]

I'd be glad to see Tex as a Yankee if it means they shipped out Joba/Tabata/Kennedy for him. I feel there's no way it wouldn't be a 1.5 year rental, because I see the Orioles laying out the money needed to bring the kid home.

[Pandemonium67]

Any confidence in what Teixeira would do about a contract 16 months from now is simply misplaced. If he ends up in a place like Boston or New York, he might just love it and not want to leave, especially to play for a loser like Baltimore.

Whoever gets him now has exclusive wining and dining rights all the way to November 08 to sell him on an extension. He'll be looking at so much money - either one of those two teams will wave at least $100 million at him - that he might just say the hell with free agency, regardless of where Borat stands on the issue.

Now he may really, really want to go home to Baltimore, but nothing is certain. I doubt even he knows now what he'll do then, let alone us. And people can change their minds. So, give up your best prospects at your own risk.

FWIW, my personal opinion is that if either the Sox or wanks get him, they'll sign him to a 10-year contract for around $200 mil.

[asphyxiation]

Of course we're unsure of where he'll end up; this is why I'd really enjoy the fact that the Yankees would be giving up top-quality prospects and either lose him to free agency or give up some blue-chips in order to get him 1.5 years earlier than they normally would if they were to sign in has a free agent. The premise that the second option there is fine is that I don't believe he's the difference between this team being a World Series winner or not making the playoffs.

Again, count me in the group that hopes they make the trade.

[nyy2535]

I don't think they'll be getting Teixeira. The 1B talk has calmed down a little since Andy Phillips is getting clutch hit after clutch hit. Cashman has already said that Hughes and Joba are untouchable. I don't think he wants to trade Horne either so he won't be coming to New York in a trade.

[Metrician]

I don't think they'll be getting Teixeira. The 1B talk has calmed down a little since Andy Phillips is getting clutch hit after clutch hit. Cashman has already said that Hughes and Joba are untouchable. I don't think he wants to trade Horne either so he won't be coming to New York in a trade.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/25/sports/b...amp;oref=slogin

Without giving up Hughes or Chamberlain, the Yankees will probably have no chance to acquire first baseman Mark Teixeira from the Texas Rangers. General Manager Brian Cashman is closely guarding both players, so there is a greater chance that they will affect the Yankees on their own than through a deal

The group met for several hours to discuss alternatives before the trading deadline, with no deals imminent and with the acquisition of Teixeira looking doubtful, despite reports that the Rangers were actively shopping him.

Give up the pitching Brian, think short term!

[crow216]

Any confidence in what Teixeira would do about a contract 16 months from now is simply misplaced. If he ends up in a place like Boston or New York, he might just love it and not want to leave, especially to play for a loser like Baltimore.

Whoever gets him now has exclusive wining and dining rights all the way to November 08 to sell him on an extension. He'll be looking at so much money - either one of those two teams will wave at least $100 million at him - that he might just say the hell with free agency, regardless of where Borat stands on the issue.

Now he may really, really want to go home to Baltimore, but nothing is certain. I doubt even he knows now what he'll do then, let alone us. And people can change their minds. So, give up your best prospects at your own risk.

FWIW, my personal opinion is that if either the Sox or wanks get him, they'll sign him to a 10-year contract for around $200 mil.

the age of 10 year contracts is over......and Yankees 1Bman whose name I can't spell is not going to get $20mil a year for 10 years....Santana won't even get a 10 year contract. The most likely price tag on Tex will be $100-120/6

[LondonSox]

I don't think they'll be getting Teixeira. The 1B talk has calmed down a little since Andy Phillips is getting clutch hit after clutch hit. Cashman has already said that Hughes and Joba are untouchable. I don't think he wants to trade Horne either so he won't be coming to New York in a trade.

"clutch hit after clutch hit" righhhht good luck with that, if that's your reason for not trading for Teix because Philips is clutch, I sense great pain in your future.

[nyy2535]

"clutch hit after clutch hit" righhhht good luck with that, if that's your reason for not trading for Teix because Philips is clutch, I sense great pain in your future.

He has had clutch hit after clutch hit. With that being said, there is no way Andy Phillips would stop the Yankees from trading for Teixeira. I believe that the talk of "This Team Needs Teixeira" has died down because Phillips is swinging a hot bat. He would be extremely difficult to get anyway because Cashman won't give up Hughes or Joba.

[justin32099]

He has had clutch hit after clutch hit. With that being said, there is no way Andy Phillips would stop the Yankees from trading for Teixeira. I believe that the talk of "This Team Needs Teixeira" has died down because Phillips is swinging a hot bat. He would be extremely difficult to get anyway because Cashman won't give up Hughes or Joba.

When 100 slightly below average (average AL first baseman is hitting .273/.355/.456, better than Andy's .301/.350/.419) plate appearances from a 30-year-old guy with no major league track record keeps you from trading for one of the best first basemen in the game (I'd take him over anyone but Pujols, Howard, Fielder, D.Lee, & MAYBE Morneau), you have a problem. The price is high and I wouldn't advocate giving up any really really superstar prospects, but especially when the Yankees need every spare run they can get to try to make the playoffs from behind, I seriously doubt the management is sitting around saying "Who needs Mark Teixeira when you've got Andy Phillips?" He's an upgrade on Miguel Cairo, but he's still not good. Just because the Yanks have a good offense does not mean it makes sense to essentially punt the easiest-to-find-offense position on the field.

[EvilEmpire]

When 100 slightly below average (average AL first baseman is hitting .273/.355/.456, better than Andy's .301/.350/.419) plate appearances from a 30-year-old guy with no major league track record keeps you from trading for one of the best first basemen in the game (I'd take him over anyone but Pujols, Howard, Fielder, D.Lee, & MAYBE Morneau), you have a problem. The price is high and I wouldn't advocate giving up any really really superstar prospects, but especially when the Yankees need every spare run they can get to try to make the playoffs from behind, I seriously doubt the management is sitting around saying "Who needs Mark Teixeira when you've got Andy Phillips?" He's an upgrade on Miguel Cairo, but he's still not good. Just because the Yanks have a good offense does not mean it makes sense to essentially punt the easiest-to-find-offense position on the field.

I don't think the OP said/meant that because Phillips is playing ok, the NYY don't need Teixeira -- rather that Phillips is playing well enough that the Yankees don't feel pressured to meet Texas' high asking price. Thats all.

[nyy2535]

I don't think the OP said/meant that because Phillips is playing ok, the NYY don't need Teixeira -- rather that Phillips is playing well enough that the Yankees don't feel pressured to meet Texas' high asking price. Thats all.

Exactly.