Schill-hab Options

[Marbleheader]

Also today pitcher Curt Schilling threw the ball 35 times today. It is the first time he picked up a ball since being placed on the disabled list on June 20.

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/reds...as/extra_bases/

[Williams Head Ca...]

Must be really frustrating for him, if this is the soonest he's picked up the ball. Probably in his best interests in the long run, but with a basic knowledge of Curt I'm surprised we haven't heard anymore venting since his first one. That said, I wonder if they already have some sort of better time-table for him aside from the wishy-washy "around the All-star break" expectations.

[RoDaddy]

I haven't heard this mentioned yet, but I wonder if the 60-day disabled list is a possibility for Schilling. Presumably this would be considered if his throwing session didn't go well today, or he wakes up sore tomorrow.

[Noah]

First of all, the only reason to put someone on the 60-day DL is to open up a spot on the 40-man, which isn't an issue right now. Hell, Clement is still on the 15-day DL.

Second of all, Schilling has only been on the DL for 14 days so far.

[MartyBarrettMVP]

Schilling on EEI said that he won't be throwing off the mound until after the ASB and isn't sure how he'll be coming back and that his arm has not felt right all season....yikes.

[Bowlerman9]

I haven't heard this mentioned yet, but I wonder if the 60-day disabled list is a possibility for Schilling. Presumably this would be considered if his throwing session didn't go well today, or he wakes up sore tomorrow.

There is no way Schilling is out for 2 months. No way.

[mfried]

Schilling on EEI said that he won't be throwing off the mound until after the ASB and isn't sure how he'll be coming back and that his arm has not felt right all season....yikes.

This is terrible news, not because I'm a rabid Schilling fan - I see him as our no. 3 pitcher. However, Gabbard is definitely not an adequate replacement for more than a few starts. Yesterday was the good Gabbard, and I found him to be a classic nibbler with modest stuff. I guess we've got to hope either for a trade or the quick focusing of Lester.

[Rooster Crows]

Schilling on EEI said that he won't be throwing off the mound until after the ASB and isn't sure how he'll be coming back and that his arm has not felt right all season....yikes.

Explains the Buerhle activity. I hope he's just discouraged and being overly pessimistic. I just don't see how it could have been so bad, with so many good to great pitching performances through all of it - although there were those darn bloody sock performances.

[Marbleheader]

Curt on WEEI today, tried to just capture the rehab stuff

-Frustrated and disappointed at where we at

-Just played catch, no long toss yesterday. Will play catch for 2 or 3 more days

-It's a process, going with what the training staff has set up for him

-Won't throw off a mound at all until after ASB

-Seen slight improvement with the physical therapy

-No significant pain

-Muscles not working right, couldn't get his shoulder to work right in Atlanta

- Hasn't felt good all year

-Tried to change entire routine between starts first 3 months, because his arm never felt right

-No real timetable for return, it's not when he wants it to be, it's when everyone involved wants it to be

- His arm has been the one thing he's always been able to rely on, a tough experience

[RSN Diaspora]

This is terrible news, not because I'm a rabid Schilling fan - I see him as our no. 3 pitcher. However, Gabbard is definitely not an adequate replacement for more than a few starts. Yesterday was the good Gabbard, and I found him to be a classic nibbler with modest stuff. I guess we've got to hope either for a trade or the quick focusing of Lester.

I think this also confirms we can't just focus on a bat for our trading deadline needs. If Lester continues his backslide, I think we're going to have to pick up another starter. Having Tavarez in the rotation for this long is tempting fate to begin with.

[86spike]

Jesus, promote Buchholz to AAA already! Let's see what we have on a little bigger pedestal, please.

This post has been edited by 86spike: Jul 3 2007, 12:50 PM

[gammoseditor]

This is terrible news, not because I'm a rabid Schilling fan - I see him as our no. 3 pitcher. However, Gabbard is definitely not an adequate replacement for more than a few starts. Yesterday was the good Gabbard, and I found him to be a classic nibbler with modest stuff. I guess we've got to hope either for a trade or the quick focusing of Lester.

Through his whole minor league career Gabbard has shown an adjustment period after being promoted a level. His first year in AA his ERA was 4.61. His second year it was 2.57. Last year in AAA his ERA was 5.23. This year it is 3.24. He's only 25 and I think at least has a chance to be a serviceable major league pitcher.

[educatedcheese]

Per an AP report today, Gabbard expected to start for Schill at least through 7/16.

Assuming Beckett pitches in the ASG, Tito plans to go with a rotation of Wake / Joolz / Dice / Becks / Gabbard for the first 5 games after the break. (Beckett could slot in differently if he doesn't pitch in the ASG.)

[8slim]

Curt on WEEI today, tried to just capture the rehab stuff...

-Muscles in rotator cuff not working right, couldn't get his shoulder to work right in Atlanta

- Hasn't felt good all year

-Tried to change entire routine between starts first 3 months, because his arm never felt right

-No real timetable for return, it's not when he wants it to be, it's when everyone involved wants it to be

Not to kick Schilling when he's down, but this is exactly why you can't pay attention to a damn thing he says when he's struggling. He's always fine, always feels good. And then, just like after the '05 season, he tells the truth that he wasn't/isn't fine and didn't/doesn't feel good. Which is why I was a little miffed when he made his snipe at Theo last week. Chalk it up to his motor mouth and a large degree of frustation, of course.

This being said, ideally his arm at least starts responding to rehab positively in the next 2 weeks -- in time to make some decisions about deals at the deadline. Hopefully he's honest with management about how he really feels then.

[someoneanywhere]

This being said, ideally his arm at least starts responding to rehab positively in the next 2 weeks -- in time to make some decisions about deals at the deadline. Hopefully he's honest with management about how he really feels then.

I agree with the sentiment, but I also think his honesty about his arm won't affect too much in the way of a deadline deal. If the FO moves to acquire a Buehrle or a Willis, it will -- after all -- be with the intention of taking G38's spot in the rotation for the next few years, not for the next few months. If anything, the continuing questions about his health -- as well as the team's legitimate shot at another world championship -- only make it more likely that such a move will be made.

[wade boggs chick...]

On a side note, this could be the best thing in the long-run for both G38 and the Sox - take a month or so off in the middle of the season, come back strong in August and September and still have something left in the tank for October.

[Rough Carrigan]

They'd better have some kind of plan for after the all star break because Julian Tavarez will probably fall apart if he's asked to go from 65 innings in 2005 to 98 innings last year to something like 180 this year. That's how many he'll pitch if he stays in the rotation the whole year. It won't work. Tavarez has never thrown that many and hasn't thrown anything remotely like that since 2002. This experiment is working okay so far but they can't expect it to continue all season.

[Spacemans Bong]

They'd better have some kind of plan for after the all star break because Julian Tavarez will probably fall apart if he's asked to go from 65 innings in 2005 to 98 innings last year to something like 180 this year. That's how many he'll pitch if he stays in the rotation the whole year. It won't work. Tavarez has never thrown that many and hasn't thrown anything remotely like that since 2002. This experiment is working okay so far but they can't expect it to continue all season.

I'm not worried about that, I'm worried about the fact he has traditionally been ineffective as a starter. That pixie dust has to wear off sometime, doesn't it?

[InsideTheParker]

FSN Final Score is reporting this morning that the rotation has been set through the 16th without Schilling. Nothing in the Globe, so perhaps this isn't "news" and I just missed it. Is there any further explanation for this anywhere other than rest and rehab?

Well, I see that I missed this in post #13 above. I wonder if a move for Buehrle is in the works.

This post has been edited by insidetheparker: Jul 5 2007, 07:46 AM

[Harry Agganis]

Not sure why we have to think Tavarez is going to fall off the scope here. It appears obvious to me that he has become a different pitcher in the rotation. I see no reason to expect that he falls off the table. He started last September and stretched out. He has been stretching out for half the season. I expect he will continue to be a decent five starter.