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  1. SoxFanForsyth

    Betts/Price to LA for Verdugo/Jeter Downs/TBA

    I’m not sure why Graterol was ever going to the Red Sox in the first place. And frankly, why the Twins were part of this deal in the first place. The Dodgers need a strong back end guy in their bullpen and that’s precisely what Graterol projects to be. Sox were going to get Graterol (#53 overall...
  2. SoxFanForsyth

    2019-20 Offseason Discussion

    Myers deal is actually 6/83mm, but is tremendously backloaded (owes 67.5 in final 3 years). His AAV, though, is 13.833, which would save Sox 17.167mm in CBT but they’d shed much less in real dollars. I don’t know if AAV gets recalculated for acquiring team (with a big CR going to the trading...
  3. SoxFanForsyth

    The 2017 Rotation

    If you're trading Pomeranz, you're putting a ton of faith in Wright as a starter. In 2018, when Buchholz is gone, and (in this scenario) you don't have Pomeranz, you're really rolling the dice on the back of the rotation. Pom had a bad start after a 2 week layoff during the ASB, then went on a...
  4. SoxFanForsyth

    The 2017 Lineup

    Problem is, all the good hitters are RH, so you want to stack them at the top (plus Beni), which leaves you with Moreland, Bradley, Sandoval, Swihart/Leon at the bottom, all of which struggle vs LHP. Trying to integrate one of those lefties into the top 6 should be a priority to at least balance...
  5. SoxFanForsyth

    Dave Dombrowski: The Right Man For The Job?

    Completely fair. You're right, he won a WS, and you can't take that away from him. Maybe I have a bias against BC, but I do find myself thinking "That team shouldn't have won a WS. They just put together a special year". So, he won the WS, and that's phenomenal and nobody can take it away from...
  6. SoxFanForsyth

    Dave Dombrowski: The Right Man For The Job?

    It seems to me, we were in a situation where we could keep Cherington, or hire Dombrowski. Cherington was a master at building farms. He took a farm in 2012 that had 3 top 100's (Middlebrooks, Bogaerts, Swihart, none of which were in the top 50) and turned it into the best farm in baseball in a...
  7. SoxFanForsyth

    Red Sox sign Mitch Moreland

    Couple quick numbers on what I perceive to be the more important items in terms of projections: Moreland had a 91.4 MPH average exit velocity last year. That was in the company of Longoria (91.6), Machado (91.2), Braun (91.3), Hanley (91.3), Encarnacion (91.5). Moreland's Barreled balls per...
  8. SoxFanForsyth

    Swihart v. Vazquez: The Value of Framing

    I love Vazquez. I mean I LOVE Vazquez. His arm and pitch framing and defensive skillset to go with Bogaerts, Pedroia, and JBJ up the middle would be insane. But Swihart posted a 118 wRC+ in the 2nd half last year. That was the best in the AL by a long shot (min 140 PA), as Russel Martin came in...
  9. SoxFanForsyth

    Diagnosing Porcello

    Wow those are great articles, much more in depth than my analysis (spin rate, tilt, etc are still things I'm just starting to dive into). I appreciate the links - those are great articles.
  10. SoxFanForsyth

    Diagnosing Porcello

    So, I've done a lot of research on Porcello ever since Gammons came out with the comments that Brian Bannister has made alterations to his pitch mix. You can certainly see how his pitch mix changed from April - July vs Aug/Sept...
  11. SoxFanForsyth

    Dombrowski: SP likely from FA. Which should we sign?

    Given, this was pre-Ortiz feud, but regardless, it still seems applicable to this offseason.
  12. SoxFanForsyth

    Sox get Kimbrel

    That article is excellent. People really undervalue the late inning swing and miss arm (see: Klaw) Kimbrel was a great acquisition. Personally, I don't think anyone got fleeced here. Adding Guerra hurt, but he's a low A ball SS that broke out this year. Certainly he would have been fun to watch...
  13. SoxFanForsyth

    Trade Rumors

    Just to circle back, the Kimbrel trade is exactly why it's nearly impossible to figure out what a team needs to give up. That package is close to what people were suggesting for Sale, and meanwhile Donaldson goes to Toronto for (seemingly) less. Point is, we have no idea what the market is. I...
  14. SoxFanForsyth

    Trade Rumors

    We could go back and forth on this all day. For every deal like Donaldson, there's one like when the Cubs paid Addison Russell for 1.5 years of Samardzija, so what would a far superior pitcher who makes less money and is signed for 2.5 more years get? But I'm not going to continue down this path...
  15. SoxFanForsyth

    Trade Rumors

    And by the way, the discussion that started this wasn't regarding my potential offer. It was the question of what we would expect in return for Betts, and why aren't the Red Sox and White Sox in the same spot. So, not at all related to the offer. Also, that offer, like I said, may be 1 prospect...
  16. SoxFanForsyth

    Trade Rumors

    Ok, let me rephrase White Sox have a core of Abreu, Eaton, Sale, Rodon, and Robertson. They are in their mid to late 20's. When I said the Sox core is young, I mean pre-arbitration years. Of that group, Rodon and Eaton meet that standard. I would strongly disagree with your notion that...
  17. SoxFanForsyth

    Trade Rumors

    And the point is that the White Sox offensive starters were all pretty much awful except for Eaton and Abreu. They have a bunch of holes they have to fill and they have no youth coming up to fill those holes, which means they ahve to fill them with free agency, which eats at payroll flexibility...
  18. SoxFanForsyth

    Trade Rumors

    This is semantics. I'm talking about impact players. The guys who the Red Sox are building around are Betts, Bogaerts, Swihart, ERod. Four kids who are 22/23.
  19. SoxFanForsyth

    Trade Rumors

    Money would be the short answer. Sox 2nd half showed that this team is capable of winning with a couple small tweaks. The Sox have a young core that played extremely well in the 2nd half, as well as a farm system that would allow them to trade and fill needs. The ChiSox and Red Sox aren't...
  20. SoxFanForsyth

    Trade Rumors

    True. Or they can generate a core of players that turns a team into a perennial contender. The point is that they are not winning right now, so changes need to happen. This isn't a wishcast of a trade. It's been reported by multiple outlets (CSN Chicago, Gammons, MLB Network Radio interviewed...