The 2nd Season - 2019 Playoff Thread

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I don't understand what Simmons is doing. His team is up 17 and he is letting the ball roll as to not start the clock on multiple possessions.

Then gets one end of a double tech I believe and gets too emotional and turns the ball over.
 

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I don't understand what Simmons is doing. His team is up 17 and he is letting the ball roll as to not start the clock on multiple possessions.

Then gets one end of a double tech I believe and gets too emotional and turns the ball over.
He also attacked the paint with 15 seconds left. Effectively he tried to give the Nets an extra possession even if he didn’t turn it over.

I can’t believe the 76ers are playing Monroe
 

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The amount of contact allowed on one end of the floor vs the other is insane.

Brooklin needed three offensive rebounds and contested shots to get a foul, Philly just needs to be barely touched to get to the line.
 

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Philly finally adjusted by not playing Monroe and they slowly pulled away. Nets lay off Simmons way too much. You can play off him without letting him into the paint, come on.
 

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If you let ben Simmons get 30+ in a game, you need to call it a season. Embarrassing
 

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Embiid should sit out Game 4, too. 76ers more cohesive on offense without him. Maybe not as dominant but they spread the ball around. Stellar 3-point shooting, outrebounded Nets by 10, played better defense.
 

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People are going to talk about Simmons, but Harris won that game. His final 3 ended the game, and he was somehow 6/6 from deep.
Yup. Harris was very good tonight. Simmons was at his best. Nets know exactly what they need to do with him but couldn’t stop him.
 

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Durant is mad. Going to use all that single coverage to finally have a great game.
 

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So much for the warriors not being locked in. This is shaping up to be a curb stomping
 

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Derrick White continues to impress. Looking forward to seeing him play with Dejounte next year.
 

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The Nuggets just aren't ready. Murray has the potential to be a really good second option beside Jokic but he isn't there yet and his lack of consistency has been their biggest problem so far in the postseason. Particularly because Jokic can't be counted on to get 30+, they need to have someone they can rely on to help shoulder the scoring load.
 

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The Nuggets just aren't ready. Murray has the potential to be a really good second option beside Jokic but he isn't there yet and his lack of consistency has been their biggest problem so far in the postseason. Particularly because Jokic can't be counted on to get 30+, they need to have someone they can rely on to help shoulder the scoring load.
Agreed. They are one more scorer away from being a contender. IT0, even at peak health isn't that guy because of his well documented defensive limitations. Kemba would have been great for these guys.
 

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Beverley can talk crap to Durant but JaMychal Green should probably shut up given that KD started raining hellfire threes down on the Clippers after a double tech.
 

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Durant seems to be a complicated person but anyone questioning his competitive nature or ability to dominate is clearly hot taking all over the place. He is a brilliant basketball player.
 

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Clips' strategy of digging 31-point 3rd quarter holes and hoping the refs call BS 4th fouls on Curry to mess up the Ws' rotations ... worked less well tonight.

Meanwhile, that double T on KD and JaMychal Green for smiling at each other was ridiculous even by the crap standards of the reffing in this series. If that's not rescinded, it starts to get dicey for KD. Just let 'em play, goddammit.

Warriors' 20th straight playoff series with at least one road win (going back to LAC 2014 and DEN/ SAS 2013). But I'm told they're mentally soft or something.
 

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Also has to be said about Denver, Jokic was a complete disaster on defense tonight. The reason Derrick White had a career night was because Jokic looked like he was moving in quicksand whenever his man set a screen for White. He has an enormous burden on offense for Denver, but any smart team is going to be able to exploit his deficiencies on defense over the course of a series.
 

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Also has to be said about Denver, Jokic was a complete disaster on defense tonight. The reason Derrick White had a career night was because Jokic looked like he was moving in quicksand whenever his man set a screen for White. He has an enormous burden on offense for Denver, but any smart team is going to be able to exploit his deficiencies on defense over the course of a series.
Yeah, I've been waiting two years to see him in the playoffs, because it was such an open question as to whether he could hold up in that environment. The early returns aren't great.
 

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Not sure if it reflects well on Simmons that it takes a little public humiliation to turn him into peak Magic Johnson, but that was one hell of a performance. Perhaps Embiid is just the new Ewing.
 

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Warriors' 20th straight playoff series with at least one road win (going back to LAC 2014 and DEN/ SAS 2013). But I'm told they're mentally soft or something.
Congrats, the Warriors beat the Clippers. Definitely a humongous win, a shocking win, nobody expected it. This was crazier than the Lightning getting swept by Columbus.
 

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Embiid should sit out Game 4, too. 76ers more cohesive on offense without him. Maybe not as dominant but they spread the ball around. Stellar 3-point shooting, outrebounded Nets by 10, played better defense.
Addition by subtraction. You see much more fluidity on teams when Embiid, Kyrie and Boogie are out. Tobias looked like he was a caged animal released from captivity. Durant was more aggressive. We’ve seen same with multiple Celtics players. It’s not a coincidence.

Also has to be said about Denver, Jokic was a complete disaster on defense tonight. The reason Derrick White had a career night was because Jokic looked like he was moving in quicksand whenever his man set a screen for White. He has an enormous burden on offense for Denver, but any smart team is going to be able to exploit his deficiencies on defense over the course of a series.
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Spurs scouting and drafting is just insane. Both White and Murray were 29th picks. They have 29th pick again this year thanks to Kawhi trade so I’ll be following that dude’s career closely. If Kawhi hadn’t flaked out on them, you’d have a legit contender. Will be interesting to see if Lonnie Walker can make a leap next year.
 

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Addition by subtraction. You see much more fluidity on teams when Embiid, Kyrie and Boogie are out. Tobias looked like he was a caged animal released from captivity. Durant was more aggressive. We’ve seen same with multiple Celtics players. It’s not a coincidence.
Except the Celtics, as a team, play better when Kyrie is in there. Assist % goes up when he's off, but team shoots worse. ORtg is 5.9 with him on court, 3.1 with him off.

Also, the Sixers play MUCH better when Embiid is playing.

One games are not sample sizes.
 

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Except the Celtics, as a team, play better when Kyrie is in there. Assist % goes up when he's off, but team shoots worse. ORtg is 5.9 with him on court, 3.1 with him off.

Also, the Sixers play MUCH better when Embiid is playing.

One games are not sample sizes.
Long term I agree. This is the NBA where talent wins out. One game, where good players are allowed to perform without being restricted, I’ll take the better “team” over the alpha player when coupled with the opponents natural letdown.
 

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Long term I agree. This is the NBA where talent wins out. One game, where good players are allowed to perform without being restricted, I’ll take the better “team” over the alpha player when coupled with the opponents natural letdown.
Interesting subject. A Philly columnist suggested today that Embiid sit out Game 4, too, mostly for health reasons, but also because Game 4 is house money for the 76ers. The columnist believes it’s better to have Joel rested for Toronto. Cart before the horse, perhaps.
 

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Congrats, the Warriors beat the Clippers. Definitely a humongous win, a shocking win, nobody expected it. This was crazier than the Lightning getting swept by Columbus.
Haha, fair enough. I was just doing the "aggrieved fan" routine at the couple of posts above that took shots at the team for their lack of focus. Of course it's not remotely shocking that they won, but still impressive (to me) how they got after it on both ends from the opening tip. With the notable exception of the 2016 Finals, whenever they've been threatened in the Kerr era (Memphis 2015, Cleveland 2015, OKC 2016, Houston 2018, e.g.) they've come up similarly big.

More broadly: while I totally buy that the league has caught up to them compared to a couple years ago (right now I think Houston and the Big 4 in the East all look capable of taking them down, which is five more teams than could have realistically hung with them in the 2017 playoffs) I don't really buy most of the going psychoanalysis about the fragility of their mental state or lack of focus relative to previous seasons. If anything, I think they're in better psychological shape than they were heading in to the playoffs last season, with Curry still recovering from an MCL and the team having lost 10 of its last 17 games.

In terms of personnel, I think they're about where they were last season, too, though obviously the loss of Cousins hurts their depth and versatility. I think slimmed-down Bogut (looking like a coup by Myers and co., if he can stay healthy) plus blown-up Kevon Looney is at least on par with last year's West/Zaza/JaVale trio; and McKinnie/Jerebko probably beats Swaggy P. Andre and Shaun are both a year older, but so far (knocking wood) both looking spry. Their overall net rating is better than it was last season, as is their turnover rate (a decent proxy for "focus," I would think).

Most notable change relative to last season imho is the level of competition, particularly coming out of the East.
 

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Meanwhile:

Steph = Paul
Dray$ = John
Klay = George

The replaceable traditional centers = the replaceable drummers

Kerr = George Martin
Myers = Brian Epstein

KD = Pete Townshend?
 

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On the surprising Spurs: early times still, but right now it's looking like either they or the Blazers will be in the Western Conference Finals. I love that.
 

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I dispute that Ringo was easily replaceable. He gets a lot of crap for having a simple style back when all of them had a simple style, but he evolved and learned and also adapted to whatever the current style of the band required out of him. He's not going into the drumming hall of fame but he was a great chemistry fit musically and personally, and was happy to roll along with everything and never make drama. I don't see how he's anyone but Klay.
 

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And I dispute that the league has caught up to GS, or that we can deduce almost anything from their performance so far this season. Are the top few teams in the East better than last year? Certainly, although injuries like Brogdon and Embiid cut into that. Are they as tough challengers as HOU was last year? Maybe, but I doubt it. Is the eventual Eastern champion likely to be worn down by the time they get to the Finals and obliterated by GS before Durant goes elsewhere? IMO, yes.
 

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Haha, fair enough. I was just doing the "aggrieved fan" routine at the couple of posts above that took shots at the team for their lack of focus. Of course it's not remotely shocking that they won, but still impressive (to me) how they got after it on both ends from the opening tip. With the notable exception of the 2016 Finals, whenever they've been threatened in the Kerr era (Memphis 2015, Cleveland 2015, OKC 2016, Houston 2018, e.g.) they've come up similarly big.

More broadly: while I totally buy that the league has caught up to them compared to a couple years ago (right now I think Houston and the Big 4 in the East all look capable of taking them down, which is five more teams than could have realistically hung with them in the 2017 playoffs) I don't really buy most of the going psychoanalysis about the fragility of their mental state or lack of focus relative to previous seasons. If anything, I think they're in better psychological shape than they were heading in to the playoffs last season, with Curry still recovering from an MCL and the team having lost 10 of its last 17 games.

In terms of personnel, I think they're about where they were last season, too, though obviously the loss of Cousins hurts their depth and versatility. I think slimmed-down Bogut (looking like a coup by Myers and co., if he can stay healthy) plus blown-up Kevon Looney is at least on par with last year's West/Zaza/JaVale trio; and McKinnie/Jerebko probably beats Swaggy P. Andre and Shaun are both a year older, but so far (knocking wood) both looking spry. Their overall net rating is better than it was last season, as is their turnover rate (a decent proxy for "focus," I would think).

Most notable change relative to last season imho is the level of competition, particularly coming out of the East.
All of this is true, but the fact remains that Golden State has 4 hall of fame players in the starting lineup. While they have that, they are the favorites and everyone who isn't a fan will probably hate them or at least root against them.
 

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Meanwhile:

Steph = Paul
Dray$ = John
Klay = George

The replaceable traditional centers = the replaceable drummers

Kerr = George Martin
Myers = Brian Epstein

KD = Pete Townshend?
Kevin Durant is quite obviously the Eric Clapton of this analogy, right?
 

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Clips' strategy of digging 31-point 3rd quarter holes and hoping the refs call BS 4th fouls on Curry to mess up the Ws' rotations ... worked less well tonight.

Meanwhile, that double T on KD and JaMychal Green for smiling at each other was ridiculous even by the crap standards of the reffing in this series. If that's not rescinded, it starts to get dicey for KD. Just let 'em play, goddammit.

Warriors' 20th straight playoff series with at least one road win (going back to LAC 2014 and DEN/ SAS 2013). But I'm told they're mentally soft or something.
Yeah, this was an awful analysis of G3 on my part. Here I was acknowledging that the Warriors completely quit playing in G2 which obviously wouldn't be the case in a G3 with the wakeup call yet I didn't call a 30-point Warrior win. Terrible.
 

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Yeah, this was an awful analysis of G3 on my part. Here I was acknowledging that the Warriors completely quit playing in G2 which obviously wouldn't be the case in a G3 with the wakeup call yet I didn't call a 30-point Warrior win. Terrible.
No biggie, but you didn't just acknowledge that they quit — you also claimed "this Warrior team is a mental shell of the team that won the championship." That is highly dubious analysis, imho. My general sense is that whatever mental strengths and weaknesses exist now were also there last season, at minimum.

Kevin Durant is quite obviously the Eric Clapton of this analogy, right?
Ooh, that works too. I went with Pete because tall, skinny, emotional, generationally talented, and — according to my NYT friend — possibly gay (not that there's anything not fabulous about it!) But Clapton actually played with them so makes more sense.
 

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All of this is true, but the fact remains that Golden State has 4 hall of fame players in the starting lineup. While they have that, they are the favorites and everyone who isn't a fan will probably hate them or at least root against them.
Pivoting a bit here... Is Draymond Green really a Hall of Famer? He will no doubt get a bump from being on the Warriors' dynasty, but bb-ref includes titles in their predictor and it still has Draymond at just 27% right now (the next-lowest Warrior is Klay at almost a coin flip). For me, he's not even close at this point and he seems to only be getting worse as a player before age 30.
 

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Pivoting a bit here... Is Draymond Green really a Hall of Famer? He will no doubt get a bump from being on the Warriors' dynasty, but bb-ref includes titles in their predictor and it still has Draymond at just 27% right now (the next-lowest Warrior is Klay at almost a coin flip). For me, he's not even close at this point and he seems to only be getting worse as a player before age 30.
Maybe I've misread the way the media and general public have processed Draymond's importance to the Warriors success, but I have him as a no-doubt Hall of Famer (assuming good health going forward, of course). He's been DPOY, 2x All-NBA, 3x All-Star, 4x champion and 4x All-Defense in seven seasons. That's a tremendous amount of success in a short period of time.

Given the generally low bar of acceptance for the Hall Iggy and Cousins both probably have decent shots as well, provided the latter makes it back from injury and has a few more above average to good years in him.
 
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