February NHL News- Trade Season

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It’s kind of a weird tweet. Could be a number things.

There’s been reports that Staal doesn’t want to leave Minnesota and as such crafted his no-trade to include most of the contenders. Maybe the B’s were told he wouldn’t come here.

Maybe they decided they want a winger more? Or someone with term?

How did we do deadlines before Twitter?
 

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I would imagine it’s the lack of speed. They have to go through Toronto and Tampa and aren’t doing that with Staal chasing them around. Don’t know that I agree, but it could also just mean they are closer to a deal elsewhere.
But they know who Eric Staal is, I don't think they were in on him and then watched tape and said, shit this guy isn't fast anymore (never was). I think it is more likely Staal used his NTC to ask for something back in exchange for accepting a trade.
Staal is a UFA who has already won a cup. Perhaps he didn't want to accept a 3C role which would almost certainly suppress his scoring and thus his market potential come free agency. Last time he was traded in season he had a disastrous end of season that likely cost him a decent chunk of change.
 

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Starting to hear some Charlie Coyle chatter out there that he could be on the move from the #mnwild

Wild about to take off for New York

Russo updates this situation by saying that Charlie Coyle has in fact been traded but unknown what team yet. His stuff has been taken off the Wild plane.

 
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Listened to Friedman’s podcast on the slow ride in to work this morning. He went through every team and their plans for the deadline.

Nothing crazy new, but he echo’d McKenzie in that he doesn’t believe trading Donato takes the Bruins out of anything else they want to do. Still links them to Panarin, Hayes (I guess move Coyle to RW?), and Simmonds. Acknowledged the Stone rumors.

With Stone it sounds like things will come to a head soon. He think Ottawa put a 5 x $10-$10.5 extension offer on the table which has given Stone pause and something to consider, but obviously Stone will need to make some kind of decision soon.
 

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I'm very much against them moving their 1st round pick for a rental. They need to start re-stocking the cupboard for the next 3-4 years in my opinion.

That said, they're 3rd in the NHL in points, and getting Pasta back soon. They're definitely contender.
 

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I agree about the first round pick. They rightly traded it last year but in 1-2 years their current prospects will have busted or be looking for extensions at more money. They’ll need a fresh pool of ELCs.
 

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I'd have no issue giving up a 1st for Stone but I think he is the only player being discussed I'd give up a 1st for. He fits in so perfectly with the B's overall style and where they are weakest, RW.

If you come to realize you can't sign him in the off-season you should be able to recoup a mid-rd pick to a team wanting to take a run at him. If Don can get a 6th rd pick for the UFA rights to Soderberg he should be able to get at least a 3rd or 4th for Stone.

Late 1st rd picks have such a high bust rate I don't give much pause to including it for him. B's have also done quite well with their 2nd/3rd rd picks recently so that gives some comfort if they move their 1st.
 

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Washington Capitals acquire Carl Hagelin from Kings for a 3rd round pick in 2019 and conditional 6th round draft pick in 2020.

Edit: Added Pierre LeBrun tweet & detail about Kings retain 50% salary and cap hit.
 

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A 3rd for Hagelin makes Coyle for a 4th/5th + Donato look a lot better value wise.
 

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LeBrun says the Panthers have asked Mike Hoffman for his 10 team no-trade list. $5.187 cap hit through this year and next. May be a possibility.

 

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LeBrun says the Panthers have asked Mike Hoffman for his 10 team no-trade list. $5.187 cap hit through this year and next. May be a possibility.

did the business between his and Karlsson's spouses get resolved?
 

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Getting to the healthy scratch point of the proceedings. Sens are supposedly sitting Duchene, Stone and Dzingel tonight. NJD doing the same with Marcus Johansson. NYR may have a player or two sit out their game tonight as well.
 

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Mark Stone not playing for the Sens tonight. Get your bets on what team he'll play for next in now...

 

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This is almost certainly Melnyk continuing to alienate the fans so he can move the team or something. When was the last time an owner deliberately burned his own team to the ground like this?

Karlsson, 28
Stone, 26
Duchene, 27
Hoffman, 28
Dzingel, 26
Zibanejad, 25

That's 6 good to great players, each with several peak years remaining.
 

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This is almost certainly Melnyk continuing to alienate the fans so he can move the team or something. When was the last time an owner deliberately burned his own team to the ground like this?

Karlsson, 28
Stone, 26
Duchene, 27
Hoffman, 28
Dzingel, 26
Zibanejad, 25

That's 6 good to great players, each with several peak years remaining.
But, they're gonna spend money in 3-4 years. #sarcasm
 

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I wonder how much the 21 expansion draft plays into B's thinking. They have a glut of young, but not young enough, players that they will be forced to leave exposed. If they opt to protect Charlie Mac, Carlo, Grz and Vaak that leaves them only 4 more slots Marchand, Bergeron, Pasta and DeBrusk. That leaves Heinen, Bjork, Seynyshn, Lauzon, Zboril, JFK, Frederic all exposed.

If they opt to include Grz in a trade they could go the 7F 3D and limit the exposure considerably.

Studnicka, Lauko and Axel Andersson are exempt and should be damn near untouchable for that reason, esp Studnicka. Additionally 2019 & 2020 drafted players will be exempt so those picks become more valuable.

Essentially the B's should overpay from the NHL ready tier of players if it means they can protect draft picks or Studnicka since they are going to lose a quality asset in a couple years for nothing anyways.

edit: Never believe Fluto. He had Vaak on a protected (not exempt) list in a December article I read but turns out Vaak is exempt so long as he doesn't play 8 more NHL games. Interesting fact is Vaak is exempt by 1 day. He was born 1-1-99, had he been born 12-31-98 he would have to be protected. Who knew that being a new years baby would have such an impact on his life.
 
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On McKenzie’s podcast, LeBrun, Dreger and Bob said the ask on Stone is 4 assets. 2 firsts, 2 prospects. No thanks on that unless there is an extension. There probably isn’t enough time to even work out a trade and an extension at this point anyways.
 

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On McKenzie’s podcast, LeBrun, Dreger and Bob said the ask on Stone is 4 assets. 2 firsts, 2 prospects. No thanks on that unless there is an extension. There probably isn’t enough time to even work out a trade and an extension at this point anyways.
If the 2nd first can be conditional either on resigning or reaching the SCF and the 2 prospects are not Vaak or Studnicka I'd be on board with that.
 

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I assume so, but I imagine they would have to have some sort of extension done with Duchene. I can’t imagine they’d give up assets for another guy they could be losing on 7/1. On the same podcast yesterday the insider types all said they’d be stunned if Panarin was traded.

However, another alternative is they get Duchene in and that puts them in a better position to trade Panarin.
 

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Looks like it is Duchene to CBJ. Only names mentioned so far are AHL winger Vitaly Abramov and junior prospect Jonathan Davidsson.
 

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Additional pick if Duchene re signs. If they’re open to a conditional like that on Stone, that makes the price tag more palatable.
 

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I don't know anything about the CBJ prospects but if we assume that the trade is close to FMV then it was really smart to trade Duchene to CBJ. Now if CBJ takes Panarin off the table as rumored that leaves Stone as the one elite player left on the market which will allow OTT to generate a serious bidding war.
 

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Yeah in a vacuum, that's a really solid return on a rental for Ottawa IMO.

Turris, Bowers, and a top-4 overall pick for Abramov / Davidsson / 1-2 low 1sts still isn't great, but along with whatever they can get for Stone / Dzingel this'll speed up their rebuild
 

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Capitals get Defenceman Nick Jensen from the Red Wings for Defenceman Madison Bowey and a 2nd round pick in 2020 and a 2019 5th round pick.
 

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Random- the draft pick section on Ottawa’s cap friendly page is wild.

Anyways, action picking up on the Rangers guys. B’s been linked to both Hayes and Zuccarello. Dreger says there are teams that have talked about adding not. Let’s have fun, get it done, Don!

(I suspect splitting them up would get NYR a better return)


Marchand - Bergeron - Zuccarello
DeBrusk - Krejci - Pastrnak
Heinen - Hayes - Coyle
Nordstrom - Kuraly - Wagner
 

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The Bruins dodged a bullet if they were actually interested in that sort of deal, IMO. They could have gotten the same effect by throwing Donato back into the lineup
 

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Feel like CBJ is being borderline reckless here unless they move Panarin for a haul.
Yes. I respect any team that wants to make a real run, but it seems doubtful CBJ really is going places with these moves.
 

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Dom from the board we won't mention is suggesting their is a lot of smoke around Simmonds and the B's thinks it happens today.
Dom is well regarded and connected, was one of the first to connect B's to Coyle. He also said no on Stone.