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I don't know about indignant and I don't blame Cashman for trying because it only takes one moron to do it, but Gray appears to be a fragile pitcher who needs to be in a pitcher's park to be effective. And that *should* be priced into his trade value. Again, subject to the usual morons from Cincinnati or Minnesota who seem unable to help themselves from doing stupid things.

Edit: 18 innings in Baltimore with one run allowed. So discount the road stats as well.
 

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I think he's awful too but there has been tons of reporting in recent weeks that he is much in demand. Maybe a good bit of that is teams wanting to pick him up for nothing except his salary, we'll see soon enough.
 

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That's Jon Abbey's music!


Heard Yankees, Reds had a little talk on Scooter Gennett. Not sure how much there is to it. NYY does need a middle infielder. Machado, Marwin, Harrison others on their radar.
 

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I still think if they are out on Harper (which I believe), that they need two more infielders, as Andujar should either be primary DH or moved to CLE for Kluber.
 

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I still think if they are out on Harper (which I believe), that they need two more infielders, as Andujar should either be primary DH or moved to CLE for Kluber.
Yeah, Andujar needs to stay away from the field unless it's running the basepath

Maybe the Yankees can invite Ruben Rivera to spring training ;)
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=11&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwi004XI8ZbfAhUBQKwKHW-PAR0QFjAKegQIZRAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FRub%25C3%25A9n_Rivera&usg=AOvVaw3Vbe1lT9kmJo4fv4l1rXZT
 

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Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal 32s33 seconds ago
#Mets have discussed trade in which they would land J.T. Realmuto in three-team deal with #Yankees and #Marlins, sources tell The Athletic. Not known if Syndergaard involved. NYM would not part with Syndergaard (three years control) if getting only Realmuto (two years) in return.

Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal 2m2 minutes ago
#Mets have been in steady talks with #Yankees since Brodie Van Wagenen became GM, sources say. NY teams have not made trade involving major leaguers since 12/3/04 (Mike Stanton to NYY for Felix Heredia). @JonHeyman first noted possibility of NYY serving as conduit for Realmuto.
 

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Andujar would have to be the main guy from the Yankees in that, I guess. Go Brodie!
 

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Among the trade ideas everyone is throwing around on twitter.

Would you do it if you're the Yankees?

 

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Yeah, that would be crazy. But I do like the fantasy of BVW making an advantageous deal for the Yankees in order to build good will for after he gets fired and resumes his agent career.

Edit: Response was to Wingack, but yeah I'd sign up for that other crazy deal in a heartbeat too, unless Thor's arm is shredded or something.
 

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Seems like the Mets want to get great players without actually giving up anyone.

They won't budge on DeGrom or Thor, but expect Realmuto?

 

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I will believe it when I see the Wilpons approve such a trade to the Yankees. And I have my doubts they would.
 

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I will believe it when I see the Wilpons approve such a trade to the Yankees. And I have my doubts they would.
I agree with this, but on the other hand, they seem to be letting Brodie do what he wants, so it's a lot more likely than it was a month ago.
 

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Also I'm kind of scared of what the Yankee part of that deal would be besides Andujar.
 

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Andujar to the Mets, Florial to the Marlins, Mets Prospects to the marlins, Realmuto the Mets.

Mets get Realmuto & Andujar
Marlins get Florial + Mets Prospects
Yankees get Thor

Do it.
 

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I have not seen this rumored anywhere, but the Yankees could take Todd Frazier back in a three way deal, that would save the Mets some money ($8.5M) and McNeil could play 3B. The Yankees could go with Frazier-3B/Machado-SS/Gleyber-2B.
 

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If Andujar is the primary DH, where will Sanchez play?
I don't get it, he's the catcher and his overall defensive numbers are just fine. He is top 5 at framing and has a superb arm. Cashman has committed to him constantly, he is NY's catcher for better and worse.
 

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Why does everyone keep saying this?

Is it that Jeter doesn't want the Marlins to be the modern day Kansas City A's that the Yankees used almost as a farm team?

 

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I don't get it, he's the catcher and his overall defensive numbers are just fine. He is top 5 at framing and has a superb arm. Cashman has committed to him constantly, he is NY's catcher for better and worse.
Good. As a Red Sox fan I like seeing him back there. Undercuts some of the value of his offense. Don’t really care what the very sketchy and unproven defensive metrics for catchers say. To someone who was a college catcher and paid combine catching coach that I know, he is among the worst fundamentally in the game.
 

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Max Wildstein is literally a college kid, but his info has been reasonably accurate previously, so FWIW:

"Source: Prospects being floated in a possible three-team trade involving #Mets, #Marlins by #Yankees are Clint Frazier, Jonathan Loaisiga, Mike King, Chance Adams, and Sonny Gray. It is still pretty early in process from vibe that I’m getting. There’s smoke, tho."

"Also have heard that the #Mets have asked #Yankees about Miguel Andujar, who NYY‘s been unwilling to discuss in trade talks. We will see if this 3-team trade rumor becomes a thing in end."
 

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I love Clint Frazier's potential, but the long recovery from the concussion worries me.

Sell somewhat high
 

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Here's the roundup on MLBTR

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/12/mets-yankees-marlins-in-talks-on-three-team-deal.html

11:04pm: The Yankees are “pushing hard” to swing a deal with the Mets, and are interested in Mets pitchers other than only Syndergaard, according to Andy Martino (Twitter links).

10:02pm: The Mets, Yankees, and Marlins have discussed a three-team trade that would see J.T. Realmuto end up on the Mets’ roster, The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal reports (Twitter links). Making the deal into a true blockbuster, Noah Syndergaardmay also be part of the negotiations, according to both the New York Post’s Mike Pumaand SNY.tv’s Andy Martino.
 

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MLBN's current winter meetings show is repeated from earlier, not live, just FYI to all.
 

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“Mets pitchers other than Syndergaard”. So Wheeler or Matz?
Yeah, but I don't think Cashman bothers for either of them even though Wheeler was awesome down the stretch last year (one year of control left). The bar he is trying to beat with his last SP addition (plus maybe a swingman like Lynn) is Happ for 3 years, and Wheeler/Matz don't do that. That is misdirection IMO.
 

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Also I highly doubt deGrom is on the table so I think it is Syndergaard or no deal, go Brian and Brodie.

I also don't exactly know the supposed bad blood between MIA and NY front offices, although NY somehow getting Michael King from then mid-rebuild last fall has to hurt, but maybe Denbo would feel better with a nice assortment of high ceiling NY SP prospects. Don't forget he helped put together this farm and so his choices might really end up hurting (but that is very welcome if it means Noah to the Bronx).
 

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Max Wildstein is literally a college kid, but his info has been reasonably accurate previously, so FWIW:

"Source: Prospects being floated in a possible three-team trade involving #Mets, #Marlins by #Yankees are Clint Frazier, Jonathan Loaisiga, Mike King, Chance Adams, and Sonny Gray. It is still pretty early in process from vibe that I’m getting. There’s smoke, tho."

"Also have heard that the #Mets have asked #Yankees about Miguel Andujar, who NYY‘s been unwilling to discuss in trade talks. We will see if this 3-team trade rumor becomes a thing in end."
Even a college kid should know better than to call Sonny Gray a prospect
 

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I'm basically refreshing twitter every minute. Spoof profiles are the bane of my existence.

I'll say this though, Mets fans would burn the house down if you just read twitter posts. Based on that alone, I'd say there's an incredibly small chance of this happening.
 

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I'm basically refreshing twitter every minute. Spoof profiles are the bane of my existence.

I'll say this though, Mets fans would burn the house down if you just read twitter posts. Based on that alone, I'd say there's an incredibly small chance of this happening.
There's not even an actual deal rumored yet, Cashman definitely has room to keep sweetening if this is the guy he most wants (I said it before, CLE was never sending Kluber to NY if there is any other reasonable alternative) and make it hard for Brodie and Denbo to say no.

I would say I'm not going to sleep but you guys know this is my prime time anyway.