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I think I’d start Brown instead of Rozier (with Smart, Tatum, Morris, and Theis), to prioritize defensive versatility over offense with the starters. Then Rozier would be the bench scorer.

Rest of the bench: Time Lord, Semi, Wanamaker, Dozier
That would be awful matchups for us against the Pelicans though who start essentially two 1's in Frazier and Holiday. Either way Smart is the matchup with Holiday which would leave Jaylen in a difficult matchup against a pure 1. When E'Twaun is in the game we'll likely use Wanamaker to check him.
 

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That would be awful matchups for us against the Pelicans though who start essentially two 1's in Frazier and Holiday. Either way Smart is the matchup with Holiday which would leave Jaylen in a difficult matchup against a pure 1. When E'Twaun is in the game we'll likely use Wanamaker to check him.
By "check" you mean wave at Moore as he blows by, right?

Wanamaker is not a viable NBA player. He is fine on this roster but expecting him to hold his own against actual NBA rotation players is an exercise in wishcasting. If he gets meaningful run tonight the Cs have a problem. And I say this hoping I am totally wrong on him and that he lights up the Pelicans while playing stifling defense.
 

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By "check" you mean wave at Moore as he blows by, right?

Wanamaker is not a viable NBA player. He is fine on this roster but expecting him to hold his own against actual NBA rotation players is an exercise in wishcasting. If he gets meaningful run tonight the Cs have a problem. And I say this hoping I am totally wrong on him and that he lights up the Pelicans while playing stifling defense.
We may have 5 of our 10 rotation players out......Wanamaker is going to play significant rotation minutes for the simple reason that somebody has to help the Celtics play the 240 minutes out there tonight. He'll be fine in a limited role and approaching this game as his Super Bowl.
 

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It really love that the Celtics are prioritizing the development & asset value of the young guys over regular season wins even in a championship contention year.
 

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I prefer Perry Dozier over Wanamaker, and Dozier has the benefit of youth. Wanamaker is 29 and garbage.

Dozier is a 6'7 PG with a 6'11 wingspan and a standing reach of 8'5. He's improved his play making skills a lot this year and is a good rebounder for his position. He'll probably be in the same spot Jabari Bird was this year with other teams being interested in him. Dozier is intriguing.

Not that it's a huge deal, but games like tonight are nights we could use an extra body like Bird. What is going on with him anyway? Is his career over and is he just kept on the roster as salary filler for a potential trade?
 

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Not that it's a huge deal, but games like tonight are nights we could use an extra body like Bird. What is going on with him anyway? Is his career over and is he just kept on the roster as salary filler for a potential trade?
I can't find any recent reporting since the mid-September suggestions that he had had a psychotic break of some sort leading to his violent attack. Odd that there haven't been updates.
 

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It really love that the Celtics are prioritizing the development & asset value of the young guys over regular season wins even in a championship contention year.
With them all sitting out I’d say this is more the Celtics prioritizing getting some banged up veterans 1 night out of 82 games off tonight and recognizing that our season begins in the spring. We are in championship mode not developmental mode.

Edit: E’Twaun also OUT tonight as he’s been awful of late probably due to some type of injury. Wanamaker is breathing easy on this news.;)
 
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With them all sitting out I’d say this is more the Celtics prioritizing getting some banged up veterans 1 night out of 82 games off tonight and recognizing that our season begins in the spring. We are in championship mode not developmental mode.

Edit: E’Twaun also OUT tonight as he’s been awful of late probably due to some type of injury. Wanamaker is breathing easy on this news.;)
While you're mostly right, the braintrust is aware of the secondary benefits of asset development and probably pretty happy about getting some of that benefit here. But of course mental health breaks and Al's dinged up knee and stuff like that is most of it.
 

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I prefer Perry Dozier over Wanamaker, and Dozier has the benefit of youth. Wanamaker is 29 and garbage.

Dozier is a 6'7 PG with a 6'11 wingspan and a standing reach of 8'5. He's improved his play making skills a lot this year and is a good rebounder for his position. He'll probably be in the same spot Jabari Bird was this year with other teams being interested in him. Dozier is intriguing.

Not that it's a huge deal, but games like tonight are nights we could use an extra body like Bird. What is going on with him anyway? Is his career over and is he just kept on the roster as salary filler for a potential trade?
Wannamaker has played 50 NBA minutes. A little early to be writing him off as "garbage".
 

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C's outrebounding them 43-33 through 3 quarters, which is absurd given the players on the floor for each team. AD has 6 rebounds.
 

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I'm going to be cross-posting in multiple threads to relieve the erectory pressure, but the Time Lord just outplayed a top 5 player, badly, without the benefit of a hot shooting night.
 

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I'm going to be cross-posting in multiple threads to relieve the erectory pressure, but the Time Lord just outplayed a top 5 player, badly, without the benefit of a hot shooting night.
One player went for 41/7/4 and the other 2/11/3.
 

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Wanamaker is not a viable NBA player. He is fine on this roster but expecting him to hold his own against actual NBA rotation players is an exercise in wishcasting. If he gets meaningful run tonight the Cs have a problem. And I say this hoping I am totally wrong on him and that he lights up the Pelicans while playing stifling defense.
What do you mean "not a viable NBA player." From limited minutes he seems like a perfectly acceptable 11th guy on the bench. Frankly, the little he's played showed me that he can be a 4th guard on a NBA team and depending on how consistent his shot is, maybe 3rd guard isn't out of the question.

He's no RJ Hunter.
 

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What do you mean "not a viable NBA player." From limited minutes he seems like a perfectly acceptable 11th guy on the bench. Frankly, the little he's played showed me that he can be a 4th guard on a NBA team and depending on how consistent his shot is, maybe 3rd guard isn't out of the question.

He's no RJ Hunter.
I agree. I’m not sure where the negativity is stemming from. He’s pesky on defense, has shown to be quick enough to cut through screens, and is a willing passer. He doesn’t make many mistakes or try to ISO anything, but has a touch around the basket (tear drop tonight was legit) and could hoist a 3 in a pinch. He’s not a Larkin-level 3rd PG, but he’s more than passable.

I also agree that Dozier has better projection, has plus athleticism that could make him a better player, and would rather see some minutes go his way to see what we’ve got. He does seem to have shown enough in limited time to make him a candidate for being this year’s Jabari Bird.
 

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I agree. I’m not sure where the negativity is stemming from. He’s pesky on defense, has shown to be quick enough to cut through screens, and is a willing passer. He doesn’t make many mistakes or try to ISO anything, but has a touch around the basket (tear drop tonight was legit) and could hoist a 3 in a pinch. He’s not a Larkin-level 3rd PG, but he’s more than passable.

I also agree that Dozier has better projection, has plus athleticism that could make him a better player, and would rather see some minutes go his way to see what we’ve got. He does seem to have shown enough in limited time to make him a candidate for being this year’s Jabari Bird.
Wanamaker is like a poor mans E’Twaun. He’s perfectly serviceable in an emergency deep bench role at the league min.
 

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What do you mean "not a viable NBA player." From limited minutes he seems like a perfectly acceptable 11th guy on the bench. Frankly, the little he's played showed me that he can be a 4th guard on a NBA team and depending on how consistent his shot is, maybe 3rd guard isn't out of the question.

He's no RJ Hunter.
I remain unconvinced that he is anything other than back end roster filler but tonight he looked fine. And he is fine on this team where he won't see any real meaningful minutes. However he is undersized, doesn't have the tightest handle and I haven't been impressed by his passing. That said, I will keep an open mind on him and perhaps he will prove me wrong. He looked fine in this most recent game so maybe he is a fourth or third guard.

The fact that we are left debating Wanamaker's ability in this thread in mid-December is, frankly, awesome. A few weeks ago, this thread was filled with a lot of understandable angst and more than a few serious roster changing trade proposals. No more of that for now. Instead, I welcome Brad Wanamaker proving me wrong and showing that he can consistently hold his own against real NBA competition.
 

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One player went for 41/7/4 and the other 2/11/3.
Actually 7/11/3. But more importantly, if you single cover AD and he needs 34 shots to get his 41, that's a pretty good showing, especially for someone who entered the game with 33 NBA minutes in his whole career.
 

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Impressive win last night. Missing Hayward, Horford, Baynes, and Kyrie, to curb stomp Davis and the Pelicans.... nicely done. That is the kind of performance that I envisioned at the start of the year, that has me dreaming championship dreams.
 

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Actually 7/11/3. But more importantly, if you single cover AD and he needs 34 shots to get his 41, that's a pretty good showing, especially for someone who entered the game with 33 NBA minutes in his whole career.
Yup, here are the stats:

I stand by my "outplayed, badly" comment.
 

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I wean't that impressed with Davis' performance. He was single covered all night.
Davis has been playing hurt with a bad hip and been listed as day-to-day...….he had 6 points before being pulled the other night. They can't afford to sit him as you are essentially forfeiting a game with that team and they are hanging on for dear life in the playoff race. Desperate times in New Orleans.

Anyone else hear the roar of the Celtics crowd when Davis was announced?
 

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Davis has been playing hurt with a bad hip and been listed as day-to-day...….he had 6 points before being pulled the other night. They can't afford to sit him as you are essentially forfeiting a game with that team and they are hanging on for dear life in the playoff race. Desperate times in New Orleans.

Anyone else hear the roar of the Celtics crowd when Davis was announced?
At what point does Davis go full Kawhi and tell the Pelicans he won't jeopardize his health to win them games? It's a really bizarre situation, since they're pushing him physically in order to get wins to convince him to stay.
 

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At what point does Davis go full Kawhi and tell the Pelicans he won't jeopardize his health to win them games? It's a really bizarre situation, since they're pushing him physically in order to get wins to convince him to stay.
The Pelicans don’t have a great recent track record with big men, either. (See Cousins, Boogie).
 

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At what point does Davis go full Kawhi and tell the Pelicans he won't jeopardize his health to win them games? It's a really bizarre situation, since they're pushing him physically in order to get wins to convince him to stay.
If I'm not mistaken, he played the entire first quarter yesterday (I know he was in at least the first 11 minutes). He ended up playing 38 minutes, and is averaging 36.8mpg. For comparison, Kyrie leads the C's at 31.7, Tatum is at 31.0, Horford is at 30.0 and then Jaylen is 4th at 27.8.

There is literally no chance Davis remains healthy going into the playoffs with those kinds of minutes. The flipside, if he doesn't play those kind of minutes, there is no chance the Pelicans make the playoffs. Oh, what to do, what to do...
 

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Poor dude got Wally Pipp’d and he doesn’t even know it yet
He's going to opt-out this summer, call Danny to meet for the new deal, only to be told...…"Uh yeah, I'm on the line with Scal about something kinda important let me get back to you."

(half kidding)
 

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They will need playoff Horford if they want to go far in the playoffs - matchup wise they might use Time Lord if he progresses over the season instead of Theis in certain situations (ie Giannis)
 

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He's going to opt-out this summer, call Danny to meet for the new deal, only to be told...…"Uh yeah, I'm on the line with Scal about something kinda important let me get back to you."
He's going to opt out, get signed & traded into the trade exception that Golden State has after Durant leaves for the Knicks as part of a three team deal that sends Rozier to Phoenix leaving Boston with a $30 million TPE. And Anthony Davis when the smoke clears.