The Game Goat Thread: Week 14 at Miami

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Last week the O line and run game were able to put the game away against one of the best front sevens in the league. They made multiple first downs on the ground in the last 5-10 minutes of that game to ice it away. And yet yesterday, against a porous run defense, they only managed 30 carries for 77 yards? And couldn’t run for shit at the end? I would blame it on the weather but the running game sucked all game. Truly baffling.
 

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I don't feel any better about this after sleeping on it. What a travesty of a loss.

As for the goat: (1) The entire defense, as has been mentioned, (2) Everyone who was on the field for the final play, and (3) the coaching staff.

A really poorly played game on a lot of fronts that they would have been lucky to win until they decided to gift it back to the Dolphins. Fuck.
 

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Also, another factor not to be minimized: the local and national media is going to be gleefully dunking on the Pats this week for that fuckheaded ending, and the Pats will deserve every last bit of it, and I have to think that's going to have effects in the locker room. It's already begun. No one likes being mocked, and no one likes being deservedly mocked either. It's only natural to think the players are going to lose some faith in their abilities and in the coaching staff after that fucking ending. And the players aren't going to want to be continually embarrassed in public either. This is bad bad bad.

None of this is good at all.
 

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Last week the O line and run game were able to put the game away against one of the best front sevens in the league. They made multiple first downs on the ground in the last 5-10 minutes of that game to ice it away. And yet yesterday, against a porous run defense, they only managed 30 carries for 77 yards? And couldn’t run for shit at the end? I would blame it on the weather but the running game sucked all game. Truly baffling.
Yup. That's why I added the OL/running game to my goat list. The defense gets the lions share but the running game was a massive fail all game long.
 

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Coaching. Well-summarized by others—and even if you want for some strange reason a receiver out there, put Patterson or Gordon —I’m sure either can out-jump Gronkowski.

Seemed like they tried the same scheme on D as last week, but Miami capitalized on the smaller fronts.

It’s tough to find positives, but I saw a few—Gordon looks more explosive off a reception—he seems to be getting in gear on his first step. If the defender doesn’t interfere on the deep pass it’s a touchdown, and the pats win. And Gronkowski looked better, though I cringed on every tackle.

And if this had happened in a playoff game I’d be suicidal.
There were plenty of positives.

- Brady was great in a place where he quite often struggles.
- Gronk looked really good offensively.
- Gordon looked fast and explosive.
- Edelman was his normal quality self.
- Pass protection for the most part was pretty solid.
- Special teams blocked two punts.

There were, of course, some major errors. Missed FG and PAT. The blunder at the end of the first half leading to zero points. Getting gashed by Gore and Boldin for huge gains. And of course, the disaster at the end. Well, that's how you lose on the road to a mediocre team.
 

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Or it is a rallying point. We have no way of knowing.
Honestly, I think it's this. I think they come out next week and kick Pittsburgh's ass, and then win handily in their last two games to finish 12-4. That will be enough for the 2 seed, and it might be, if things break right, get the 1 seed. Probably 2.

I think where this bites them in the butt is if they have to play the AFCCG in KC. But lots to do before that.
 

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I don’t feel great about this team overall because the mental mistakes on the road have been consistent, but the reality is the game might end up meaning little. They are essentially locked into the 2 or 3 seed and KC probably wins out anyway. Even 11-5 gives them a good shot at the bye, which is funny given the same record 10 years ago got them a warm couch in January. They probably still have like the 4th best odds to win the SB.

Gronk looking like Gronk was a huge positive, too. I thought that guy was dead, honestly.
 

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KC has a long an inglorious history of playing poorly in December. Winning yesterday would have kept the Pats 1 game behind KC for the 1 seed. Instead they kicked it away. Of course the 1 seed was in play. This game was immense.
 

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I am so disgusted with this game I had to wait until this morning to form any rational thoughts about it.

Everyone is the goat. Not a single portion of the team avoided game-losing mistakes. There's no positives to be taken from this at all. It was a catastrophic breakdown and it's cost them any chance at HFA. They looked like the goddamn Jets out there.

Other than that, great fucking day.
This
 

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KC has a long an inglorious history of playing poorly in December. Winning yesterday would have kept the Pats 1 game behind KC for the 1 seed. Instead they kicked it away. Of course the 1 seed was in play. This game was immense.
Yeah yeah and Gilmore sucks and is the worst signing in Patriot history. Let it all out.
 

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Yeah yeah and Gilmore sucks and is the worst signing in Patriots history. Get it out.
Argue my points. Because they're fair ones. The 1 seed was still in play and you know it. Covering your ears because you don't want to hear the ramifications of that game doesn't help anyone.

They were 1 game behind an Andy Reid team in December for the 1 seed. That would have been good.
 

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Someone (McCourty? Slater?) after the game mentioned "airing of grievances" as work to do this week. That's an ominous sign.
He did qualify that with "if there are any" While there is plenty of blame to go around, losses like this don't tend to be killers long term the way getting beaten by 30 would.
With the benefit of time and perspective you have:
Gronk having a Gronk-ish game
Gordon continuing to do his thing (and looking faster with his YAC)
Pass rush was getting home when they dialed it up
Pittsburgh lost too so they can be "On to Pittsburgh" and know they can essentially clinch the bye next weekend
 

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Argue my points.
You didn’t present any data, but I guess if KC and Reid have a history of choking, maybe they’ll lose in January to the Chargers anyway. Or maybe they’ll win out. And there was certainly no guarantee the Pats would win out moving forward anyway.
 

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You didn’t present any data, but I guess if KC and Reid have a history of choking, maybe they’ll lose in January to the Chargers anyway. Or maybe they’ll win out. And there was certainly no guarantee the Pats would win out moving forward anyway.
I did present data, you chose to ignore it. The 1 seed situation was in play. Being 1 game behind KC for that seed would have been a good thing to have. KC nearly lost at home to Baltimore.

And until the last play they were in that position.
 

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I did present data, you chose to ignore it. The 1 seed situation was in play. Being 1 game behind KC for that seed would have been a good thing to have. KC nearly lost at home to Baltimore.

And until the last play they were in that position.
I’m not saying it can’t happen, just the odds were against it, and it might end up having no impact at all. The Lions and Titans games were far worse than yesterday, if you’re picking spots. The Pats are still in pretty decent shape, probably where they should be. This is not the 2014-2016 teams. The talent isn’t there.
 

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I did present data, you chose to ignore it. The 1 seed situation was in play. Being 1 game behind KC for that seed would have been a good thing to have. KC nearly lost at home to Baltimore.

And until the last play they were in that position.
All great points, however, with the way KC played yesterday I wouldn't be surprised to see them lose in their first play off game after the bye to the Chargers assuming the playoff picture remains the same.

However, I'm not sure how anyone feels great about this Patriots Team at this point considering how up and down this season has been. Strange season indeed.
 

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Obviously a terrible loss with tons of blame to go around but I wouldn't look at it as any kind of harbinger for the postseason at all. Look, the NFL hasn't been this wide open in at least a decade. Nearly every top tier team has major flaws and is playing like hot garbage right now on at least one side of the ball. Any team could get hot in January and win it all. Home, road, bye or not, we have no idea who is going to play well next month. If I could find some Vegas action on a 5/6 seed winning the Super Bowl this year, I'd take a flier.

The bottom line for the Pats is they need to find a way to shore up the run defense without leaving the secondary exposed in the passing game. If there was ever a time to pull out some kind of "big nickel" kind of alignment, it would be right now. If they can fix that flaw, they could make a deep run. If they can't, this is a one-and-done team. It will have nothing to do with a post-Miami hangover - Simply an inability to fix their most glaring defensive issue.
 

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So KC would have “choked” the 1 seed away if and only if we were right behind them, says SJH.

I would be miserable all the time with that way of thinking.
 

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Well to be fair, the Dolphins had a handful of big plays. Gore's long run. Boldin's long run. The perfect TD pass. And then the 70 yard ridiculousness at the end that we ALL would have said were "garbage time yards" if it didn't, you know, work.

Still....they all happened and the D is to blame.
It was a hallmark of the Pats D for years that they didn't give up big plays, but that era is over. A bunch yesterday. Two long TDs by KC, once when they were hanging on to a lead late. A bunch in the Super Bowl against Philly. Almost blowing the Chicago game with the Hail Mary. The ridiculous catch-and-run by Smith-Schuster that should have lost them the Steelers game last year.

This defense has played well at times this year (at home), but when they're bad they are literally doing nothing well. It's not "bend-but-don't-break" that's bending too much; they are just getting torched.
 

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Just purely from an aesthetic POV, with this play they've also managed to turn the greatest TE ever, one who dominated the game when healthy and has done so many incredible things on a football field, into a punch line joke for the national media. Gronk is being mocked everywhere I can see this morning, in both mainstream and Deadspin-style sites. Christ, Bill Barnwell of all people was dunking on him last night on Twitter. He deserves better than that, but the team put him into a position where he could only fail.

That's simply not right and it's not doing well by your players, especially for a guy whose body is giving out in service to the team. It really sucks.
 

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So KC would have “choked” the 1 seed away if and only if we were right behind them, says SJH.

I would be miserable all the time with that way of thinking.
No. KC can now still "choke" and the Pats now cannot do a damn thing about it because they're too far out to take advantage. Had they won yesterday that wouldn't be the case.

That's my point. And it was pretty clear.
 

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Shit happens - a combination of shit luck and bad plays and you lose the game. I think its a great teaching moment for the players. Overall the offense looked fantastic (minus Ghost) and the Defense was totally inconsistent.

They will regroup, move on and get a bye hopefully.
 

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The turf in Miami has been shitty for 40 years. I still remember a one-legged Dan Marino hopping through the infield mud and torching the Pats secondary with Irving Fryar in 1994.

The national hot takes news media, though? Does anyone here still watch them? I think maybe for delicious tears after big wins, but why anyone would subject themselves to that anymore is beyond me. Gronk slipping was pretty funny anyway. Nobody really blames him, they know it was a horrible coaching decision.
 

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The turf in Miami has been shitty for 40 years. I still remember a one-legged Dan Marino hopping through the infield mud and torching the Pats secondary with Irving Fryar in 1994.

The national hot takes news media, though? Does anyone here still watch them? I think maybe for delicious tears after big wins, but why anyone would subject themselves to that anymore is beyond me. Gronk slipping was pretty funny anyway. Nobody really blames him, they know it was a horrible coaching decision.
Different stadium for Marino, right? Or is it the same one with different branding? I can't keep this stuff straight any more.

I dunno, I wouldn't discount the effect the media might have. Gronk considered hanging them up last offseason. I don't think he'd love to be mocked for his football play, only for his fratboy persona and hanging out with porn stars (I guess he hasn't done that recently). I just hate to see him turned into a punch line.
 

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Different stadium for Marino, right? Or is it the same one with different branding? I can't keep this stuff straight any more.

I dunno, I wouldn't discount the effect the media might have. Gronk considered hanging them up last offseason. I don't think he'd love to be mocked for his football play, only for his fratboy persona and hanging out with porn stars (I guess he hasn't done that recently). I just hate to see him turned into a punch line.
Gronk plays Pitt next week, which means 2-3 more Touchdowns and 120+ yards, at least one of which the defense will leave him uncovered (road defense will still put the game at serious risk, probably). He’ll also be the first one laughing at this play a year or two from now when he’s a retired with 100 million in the bank. He’s about the last guy I’m worried about with something like this. He doesn’t strike me as the guy who stews over stuff, especially making a tackle on defense.
 

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Yeah but this franchise has a history of getting punched in the mouth and deciding to take its ball and go home.
It does?

I’m bad at internet sarcasm so maybe you’re snidely referencing the 28-3 game and how they buckled there and after deflategate and I missed it.
 
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I just don't understand what everyone is doing on that last play? They are all running around at half speed... jesus christ infuriating.
 

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I just don't understand what everyone is doing on that last play? They are all running around at half speed... jesus christ infuriating.
I think the idea is to play lanes: let those assigned to the lane focus on the tackle, and stay in the lane to guard against the lateral. Problem is they missed about 5 tackles and let it come down to a one vs one of Drake against Gronk.
 

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Different stadium for Marino, right? Or is it the same one with different branding? I can't keep this stuff straight any more.

I dunno, I wouldn't discount the effect the media might have. Gronk considered hanging them up last offseason. I don't think he'd love to be mocked for his football play, only for his fratboy persona and hanging out with porn stars (I guess he hasn't done that recently). I just hate to see him turned into a punch line.
Quick search and it looks like Marino played 3 seasons in the OB, then they moved to Joe Robbie after 1986. So the majority of his career was on this field (and the names have been changed to protect the innocent).
 

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Or it is a rallying point. We have no way of knowing.
Borrowed from Post 60:

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"I thought it was a momentum shifter for us in a positive way, more than a negative way. For it to end that way, it just doesn't seem like that's the end result for us, it's not the end of the story. We've got more to prove, more to offer." A remarkably philosophical Josh Gordon
While I would like to believe that Gordon has bingo, I tend to think it will be neither a team killer or a rallying point. The players will know that it was a totally fucked up, one of a kind, fluke ending, and they will put their minds to the Steelers. They're next up and even after three losses in a row, not a team to be taken lightly. The players are professionals and my sense is that the gut punch we fans feel is something they can put aside faster.

I also can't imagine they would lose confidence in a Bill Belichick lead coaching staff after one game. If there was a time for mutiny, it was after the Butler Debacle, and I don't get any sense from how players have competed this year that he lost the team after that. As stupid as it was to have Gronk on the field, the entire defense made multiple mistakes before the very end. The failure to execute was just as profound as the failure to coach.

And I'm still reeling over Brady's admission that he thought they had another TO. Those are words I would expect from Mark Freaking Sanchez.
 

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It was a terrible loss to be sure but, really, people are worried about the hangover effect? If there is one defining characteristic of the BB-era Pats it is the "one week at a time" mentality and not allowing what happened last week to impact this week. I'm worried about the shitty defense going against a talented Pittsburgh offense on the road, but I don't think the players give two shits about what is being said about them in the media.

The 2004 loss to Miami was worse, by the way. The Dolphins were 2-11 coming into the game, the Pats were 12-1 and needed a win to keep up with PItt for home field. 28-17 lead with four minutes to go, and they let A.J. Feeley beat them aided by an awful Brady pick when they were trying to run out the clock. They allowed the game winning touchdown on 4th and 10, AJ Feeley to Derrius Thompson.
 

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As SJH has alluded to this game likely locked up the #1 seed for KC which is a shame given Hill is prob 50/50 for the game this Thurs vs LAC.

Has there been any explanation as to why the fastest and probably best open field tackler was on the sidelines for the last play? If not the worst it has to be among a small handful of worst coached plays in the BB era.
For that I would give him the GOAT this game. McCourty makes that play on Drake period.
Despite all the terrible plays they still had a 99.9% chance to win and the coaches just made an unfathomable decision.
 

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As SJH has alluded to this game likely locked up the #1 seed for KC which is a shame given Hill is prob 50/50 for the game this Thurs vs LAC.

Has there been any explanation as to why the fastest and probably best open field tackler was on the sidelines for the last play? If not the worst it has to be among a small handful of worst coached plays in the BB era.
For that I would give him the GOAT this game. McCourty makes that play on Drake period.
Despite all the terrible plays they still had a 99.9% chance to win and the coaches just made an unfathomable decision.
I read somewhere that the Pats have faced three Hail Marys this year and McCourty has been on the field for only one of them. Bizarre if true.
 

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In his (very brief) post-game press conference BB said Gronk was out there because they were protecting against both the Hail Mary and the lateral play. Obviously Tannehill was not throwing a Hail Mary from there so it was a massive error on someone's part on the Pats coaching staff. But that was the explanation.
 

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That's a terrible explanation. Gronk can do one but not the other. Tannehill can't throw it 75 yards on a bum ankle, so it was obvious they were gonna try the lateral.

That's just awful. I can't believe the coaching staff really believes that. If they do....oy.
 

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Even if it was a hail Mary it isn't making it past the 20 meaning you still need to make a tackle. If you want Gronk out there take out a useless DL, not your best open field tackler and one of the few players that can actually chase someone down.
 

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Also, changing directions here, someone needs to tell me why the hell Rex Burkhead is getting playing time over James White. I mean that's just inexplicable. They didn't use White much at all yesterday. Burkhead is terrible. White excels at catching out of the backfield and leads the team in TDs. Why the hell wasn't he playing more?
 

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Also, changing directions here, someone needs to tell me why the hell Rex Burkhead is getting playing time over James White. I mean that's just inexplicable. They didn't use White much at all yesterday. Burkhead is terrible. White excels at catching out of the backfield and leads the team in TDs. Why the hell wasn't he playing more?
It made absolutely no sense. It can be argued that White has been the best offensive player on the team this season and he barely saw the ball. Every time I saw Burkhead in the game, I expected him to get the ball and not deliver anything really positive. Unfortunately, I was right most the time yesterday.
 

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If they didnt call time out, snapped the ball on 4th and goal from the 4 (at 0:16), and ran a play, even if they dont score, they're giving the ball back to Miami on the 4 with 12-13 seconds left. Even with a field goal then in play for Miami, that still seems a better situation for the D, as Tannehill has to contend with the end zone when he drops back to throw.

Gronk shouldnt be on the field even in a hail mary situation, especially like yesterday's. He's a DPI waiting to happen.
 

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Also what was KVN doing on the play? He was at LOS and semi spying Tanny also keeping an eye on Drake but as Drake heads up field KVN gets between Drake and Tanny covering neither.
Rather important given he later just misses the tackle on Drake.
Either he freelanced badly on the play or the coaches had him in a terrible position.
 

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If they didnt call time out, snapped the ball on 4th and goal from the 4 (at 0:16), and ran a play, even if they dont score, they're giving the ball back to Miami on the 4 with 12-13 seconds left. Even with a field goal then in play for Miami, that still seems a better situation for the D, as Tannehill has to contend with the end zone when he drops back to throw.
I thought about this at the time, but I don't see any reason to think that this is better than the FG. The big risk here is with a defensive penalty, e.g., Miami completes a pass to the 50 yard line and then gets 15 yards from a facemask penalty or something. Then Miami gets to kick a FG to win.

It's close, but I think that a Gostkowski FG is still the right call.
 

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That's a terrible explanation. Gronk can do one but not the other. Tannehill can't throw it 75 yards on a bum ankle, so it was obvious they were gonna try the lateral.

That's just awful. I can't believe the coaching staff really believes that. If they do....oy.
Yeah, I mean, there is no explanation. It is an obvious, awful mistake by someone, maybe BB or maybe someone on the defensive coaching staff. Ultimately BB as the head coach is accountable, but he's not going to admit an obvious mistake like that other than the standard "we have to coach better", so that's the explanation