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Assuming [Ankiel] made it, that would have to be a record for longest time between pitches, right?
Assuming you mean MLB pitches, nope. That goes to Paul Schreiber, with a 22 season gap between the 1923 Dodgers and 1945 Yankees. Clay Touchstone, with a gap between the 1929 Braves, 1945 White Sox, would also exceed this duration.
 

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In Acuna, sportswriters once again prove that they do not understand that the clock in baseball is counted in “outs”

Soto had him by 40 points of OBP. Soto had the higher OPS. The defensive difference by at least some of the less bad metrics was small.

Soto should have won.
Did you factor in the home ballparks? It could have went to either player.
 

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Did you factor in the home ballparks? It could have went to either player.
And since it's that close, it should go to the guy who led his team (literally, from the leadoff spot) to the division title.
 

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And since it's that close, it should go to the guy who led his team (literally, from the leadoff spot) to the division title.
They're offensive equals (Acuna the slight edge in OPS+, Soto slight edge in wRC+ & wOBA). They play the same position. UZR thinks Acuna was great and Soto was below average. DRS thinks Acuna was above average and Soto was below average.

I think it's perfectly reasonable to choose to vote for Acuna due to his team's success, but I generally do not go with that as a factor, and I think the evidence we do have points to Acuna having the (slightly) better season due to defense, anyways.

Edit: Additionally, Acuna played some CF & RF, whereas Soto was 100% in LF. Looking at the "Inside Edge Fielding," Acuna caught more "Remote" balls (14% vs 0%), more "Unlikely" balls (60% vs 17%), more "Even" balls (100% vs 12.5%), more "Likely" balls (92% vs 85%), but fewer "Routine" balls (99% vs 100%). I think everything we have points to Acuna's superior defense.
 
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Those statcast numbers are more what I expected the defensive difference to be.

I did consider home parks but not scientifically I guess. I always thought Nats park graded as tough and Atlanta’s new stadium was a launching pad. But I guess not.

The OBP difference to me still makes it closer than 27-3 in first place votes, unless you give Acuna credit for not having 3/4 of the Braves pitching staff get injured as happened to the Nats.
 

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Acuna definitely got some bonus points for his electric second half that helped push the Braves into their first NL East title in years. The contrast between Soto's and Acuna's teams down the stretch and the preseaon perception that the Nats were going to run away with the division(when Acuna's team ended up doing it, helped a great deal by Acuna himself) boosted Acuna's RoY profile a great deal. Soto faded a bit in August, and as someone who has seen a lot of Nats games, Soto is not a good defensive OF at all. So similar batting lines, Acuna's role in the Braves postseason push, and Acuna's not terrible defensive gave him the edge over Soto, and I think Acuna deserved the award.

edit: Just thinking about the Braves made me watch the condensed game of the Phillips HR game. I am sure you all miss Sox baseball just as much as I do, this year had so many great moments!

 

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they're already repainting the green in their stadium that shade of blue. not like they're spending it on anything else....
 

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Os hire Mike Elias from Astros giving him most $ ever for first year GM. He's actually GM and executive VP. https://www.camdenchat.com/2018/11/17/18099473/orioles-news-rumors-offseason-gm-manager-2018 Rumours are that he's going to bring sabermetrician wundekind Sig Mejdal with him.

The Os are a perfect fit for him. The only question is whether or not John and Lou Angelos - and the rest of the city - are going to pit up with 5 100+ loss seasons that I suspect are part of the strategy.
 

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Rosenthal is reporting the Mariners are exploring a framework involving Segura + Leake trade to SD for Wil Myers. let the teardown continue.
 

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Why would you trade anything for the right to pay Will Myers 95.5 million over the next 5 years?

edit: The Padres have 43.5 million a year from 2020-2022 tied up in Will Myers and Eric Hosmer. Man that Hosmer signing was so obviously stupid, him and Myers are basically the same player!
 

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I don't really get what Seattle is doing here, because getting Myers wouldn't really be consistent with the Sheffield deal, and I don't know that the Smith deal makes sense alongside either move. Granted Myers is only 27, but still.
 

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I don't really get what Seattle is doing here, because getting Myers wouldn't really be consistent with the Sheffield deal, and I don't know that the Smith deal makes sense alongside either move. Granted Myers is only 27, but still.
Myers still seems young enough and has decent enough peripherals that you could imagine a breakout, but even if he does, his contract is a very backloaded 4/$64m in guaranteed money. Say he rebounds — I don’t know who’d want to trade for him at 3/$61m either.
 

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Myers still seems young enough and has decent enough peripherals that you could imagine a breakout, but even if he does, his contract is a very backloaded 4/$64m in guaranteed money. Say he rebounds — I don’t know who’d want to trade for him at 3/$61m either.
Also he is bad defensively everywhere.
 

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Myers still seems young enough and has decent enough peripherals that you could imagine a breakout, but even if he does, his contract is a very backloaded 4/$64m in guaranteed money. Say he rebounds — I don’t know who’d want to trade for him at 3/$61m either.
I'm not even really saying he's bad in a vacuum, just that if you're going full rebuild (and the Paxton trade suggests they are), I would think they'd try to go younger and cheaper. If you're going to trade for a guy like Myers, why wouldn't you keep Paxton in that case (and why would Segura be a part of it)? There doesn't really seem to be a plan at work, just "welp, let's try some different guys this time!"
 

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Isn't it entirely possible and even likely that Seattle would be taking back Myers to improve the prospects they got back from San Diego? They'll have payroll space to burn since they're unloading veterans, why not use it to get a crack at some of San Diego's high end talent? That makes much more sense than them just not having any kind of consistent plan.
 

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I'm not even really saying he's bad in a vacuum, just that if you're going full rebuild (and the Paxton trade suggests they are), I would think they'd try to go younger and cheaper. If you're going to trade for a guy like Myers, why wouldn't you keep Paxton in that case (and why would Segura be a part of it)? There doesn't really seem to be a plan at work, just "welp, let's try some different guys this time!"
I’m not sure it’s a “full rebuild” as much as the ole “retool,” which could be worse. Given the Mallex for Zunino trade, he seems to think the next window of contention is 21-22, when Trout, Simmons, Verlander, Cole, Springer, Treinen, and Khris Davis are out of the division. It’s possible Myers mashes then, but that’s a weird bet.
 

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Isn't it entirely possible and even likely that Seattle would be taking back Myers to improve the prospects they got back from San Diego? They'll have payroll space to burn since they're unloading veterans, why not use it to get a crack at some of San Diego's high end talent? That makes much more sense than them just not having any kind of consistent plan.
That makes the most sense to me.
 

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Devers + gets it done. A 24 year old lights out closer under your control. Don’t need to invest in older, injury prone closers who will command multi year deals. Sign Donaldson to play 3rd.
I definitely wouldn't do that. Devers could be special, and even in an "off" year that included a DL stint, he hit 21 homers and had a terrific postseason, at age 21.

Working this offseason with J.D. Martinez won't turn him into J.D. Martinez, but I expect a big step forward from him. I don't think you can trade a guy with that type of potential for a closer, even one as great and young as Diaz. Plus Devers will be cheap, and with the tax hell they're in, they'll need a cheap everyday player the next couple of years.

And if you're worried about age or injuries, is Donaldson a guy you want to give a big, long-term deal? (I doubt he would do a one-year pillow contract).
 

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Devers + gets it done. A 24 year old lights out closer under your control. Don’t need to invest in older, injury prone closers who will command multi year deals. Sign Donaldson to play 3rd.
21 year old starting third basemen are more valuable than 24 year old closers. Especially ones with All-Star ceilings.

It's also easier (and cheaper) to find relievers than it is starting position players.

You'd be downgrading one position to marginally improve another while not improving (and potentially hurting) your payroll situation. That's not only a no, that's a hell no.
 

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I think Donaldson is going to cost a lot, maybe 3/60 or even more. Anyone considering the $250-$300M long-term commitment Machado seems like they'd consider Donaldson too (although Machado is SS or 3B and JD is just 3rd and maybe 1st) and he fits into a lot more budgets. He had a lost year this year but he averaged 6 bWAR the five seasons before that, he is 33. McCutchen is another one like this, a bunch of top 5 MVP finishes and now he is 32, but he had a .892 OPS hitting leadoff every game for NY down the stretch. He would be a great fit in LF for CLE if they can afford him.

I don't get too many crushes on non-Yankees, but I am a big Diaz fan and would be bummed to see him in BOS at any point, but he would be a great pickup for you guys.
 

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Heyman: hear at least half-dozen teams are believed to be real players for Noah Syndergaard. mets are seriously considering deals for him if they could fill multiple holes with real impact. will be one of the big winter meetings storylines.
 

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I would say 30 percent chance he goes to SD, 68 percent chance he stays put, 2 percent chance he goes somewhere else.
 

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They never had any shot to begin with. There's no way the Mets would trade Syndegaard across town.
Yea, any trade would have had to include Gleybar and then more, the Mets arent going to work with the Yanks, especially with an asset the whole league would be interested in acquiring. I get that maybe they could create a trade that would "align" better than other teams(but probably not in this case) but there would be a massive negative reaction with their fan base, as there should be.
 

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Yea, any trade would have had to include Gleybar and then more, the Mets arent going to work with the Yanks, especially with an asset the whole league would be interested in acquiring. I get that maybe they could create a trade that would "align" better than other teams(but probably not in this case) but there would be a massive negative reaction with their fan base, as there should be.
Obviously the players coming back in return play a part in this, but if the Mets (as presently constituted) are worried about a negative reaction from their fan base over moving Syndergaard to the Yankees they are in the wrong business.
 

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Obviously the players coming back in return play a part in this, but if the Mets (as presently constituted) are worried about a negative reaction from their fan base over moving Syndergaard to the Yankees they are in the wrong business.
Heh, clearly you don't follow the Mets much (understandably), so let me fill you in a bit:

1) The Wilpons are clearly in the wrong business.
2) Fred Wilpon evidently is not happy when the Mets win unless the Yankees also lose the same day, even though they are in different leagues.
3) The Wilpons vetoed a few Yankee trade offers for players at the 2017 deadline where the Yankees were offering legit prospects, and the Mets ended up getting way worse prospects from other teams or just holding onto the players and losing them for nothing.
4) Their new GM is literally in the wrong business (the main reason I answered this post) as he is a lifelong agent who they just inexplicably hired as GM.

So, yeah, Mets.
 

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Heh, clearly you don't follow the Mets much (understandably), so let me fill you in a bit:

1) The Wilpons are clearly in the wrong business.
2) Fred Wilpon evidently is not happy when the Mets win unless the Yankees also lose the same day, even though they are in different leagues.
3) The Wilpons vetoed a few Yankee trade offers for players at the 2017 deadline where the Yankees were offering legit prospects, and the Mets ended up getting way worse prospects from other teams or just holding onto the players and losing them for nothing.
4) Their new GM is literally in the wrong business (the main reason I answered this post) as he is a lifelong agent who they just inexplicably hired as GM.

So, yeah, Mets.
I get it. I'm sometimes able to catch Boomer and Gio on WFAN on my drive to work, so i'm in tune to what's going on with the Mets. I probably shouldn't have used the phase "in the wrong business". :) But I will stand by the idea that this team (as presently constituted) shouldn't worry about fan reaction to moving Syndergaard. The fan reaction to this team couldn't get much worse and if you're not going to move deGrom, then Thor is likely the piece that can fill several voids. Which brings us back to your point #4. So, yeah, Mets.
 

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I get it. I'm sometimes able to catch Boomer and Gio on WFAN on my drive to work, so i'm in tune to what's going on with the Mets. I probably shouldn't have used the phase "in the wrong business". :) But I will stand by the idea that this team (as presently constituted) shouldn't worry about fan reaction to moving Syndergaard. The fan reaction to this team couldn't get much worse and if you're not going to move deGrom, then Thor is likely the piece that can fill several voids. Which brings us back to your point #4. So, yeah, Mets.
Their best deal is probably with SD anyway, SD has great prospects to spare and Syndergaard would be a nice guy to build around.