Patriots 54-man Roster Projection 2.0

I wonder if the Hill/Gillislee decision is made, and they park ways with Gillislee soon, giving him time to catch on.

I think you have way too many replaceable veterans making the 54. NE and a lot of teams cut veterans so they don't have to guarantee salary only to bring them back a week or two later. I can see Hill, one of Decker/Britt, Dwayne Allen and Brandon Bolden all fitting into that category.

Did Berrios not even get on the field last night? I thought he could be a candidate over one of the veteran WRs, but I don't see him in the boxscore after just 1 catch last week.

DrewDawg said:

Did Berrios not even get on the field last night? I thought he could be a candidate over one of the veteran WRs, but I don't see him in the boxscore after just 1 catch last week.

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maybe hiding him to try and slip him to the Practice squad?

RedOctober3829 said:

I think after next Friday that Gillislee may get traded and Ralph Webb will get about 30 carries against the Giants before he goes to the P-squad.

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Washington might make sense... lost Guice for the season and the other options (Perine, Kelley, Marshall, Bibbs) are deeply underwhelming.

Any chance Will Tye can slide in and take Dwayne Allen's spot to save some money? Tye was out there with the first team and caught a pass from a scrambling Brady. How is Tye as a blocker? I found some old quotes from Tom Coughlin when they were both with the Giants that said he could block well but couldn't really find anything else.

RedOctober3829 said:

Updated after the first 2 preseason games. Changes from 1.0 in bold. Updated after Isaiah Wynn injury. I anticipate them trying to acquire a swing tackle that is better than Croston or Matt Tobin.

2.0
QB(2)--Tom Brady, Brian Hoyer
RB(4)--Rex Burkhead, James White, Sony Michel, Jeremy Hill
FB(1)--James Develin
OL(8)--Marcus Cannon, Joe Thuney, David Andrews, Shaq Mason, Trent Brown,Ted Karras, LaAdrian Waddle, Cole Croston
WR(6)--Julian Edelman(suspended), Chris Hogan, Eric Decker, Phillip Dorsett, Cordarelle Patterson, Kenny Britt
TE(3)--Rob Gronkowski, Dwayne Allen, Jacob Hollister

DL(4)--Danny Shelton, Lawrence Guy, Malcolm Brown, Adam Butler
DE(5)--Adrian Clayborn, Trey Flowers, Derek Rivers, Deatrich Wise
LB(5)--Dont'a Hightower, Kyle Van Noy, Marquis Flowers, Christian Sam, Ja'Whaun Bentley
CB(5)--Stephon Gilmore, Eric Rowe, Duke Dawson, Jonathan Jones, JC Jackson
SAF(4)--Devin McCourty, Duron Harmon, Patrick Chung, Eddie Pleasant
ST(7): Stephen Gostkowski, Ryan Allen, Joe Cardona, Matthew Slater, Brandon King, Nate Ebner, Brandon Bolden

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Only 4 listed there

j44thor said:

I think you have way too many replaceable veterans making the 54. NE and a lot of teams cut veterans so they don't have to guarantee salary only to bring them back a week or two later. I can see Hill, one of Decker/Britt, Dwayne Allen and Brandon Bolden all fitting into that category.

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I agree with this. Only one of Decker or Britt will make the team. Etc.

I agree with not listing Jason McCourty, and also agree with replacing Valentine with Butler.

We obviously don't see what the coaches see every day in practice and in the building, but why is Hoyer the backup? He doesn't move well, he has a noodle arm and he's small. It amazes me they kept Jimmy G for half a season as insurance (and they were hoping to sign him) but they did not go and upgrade the backup QB this offseason. Does anyone have any confidence in Hoyer as the backup?

ShaneTrot said:

We obviously don't see what the coaches see every day in practice and in the building, but why is Hoyer the backup? He doesn't move well, he has a noodle arm and he's small. It amazes me they kept Jimmy G for half a season as insurance (and they were hoping to sign him) but they did not go and upgrade the backup QB this offseason. Does anyone have any confidence in Hoyer as the backup?

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No.

As for the brass, I doubt they were closely monitoring his abysmal performance in SF. The JG trade had a rushed aura around it, and it was probably sufficient that Hoyer knew the system and had been here before.

DrewDawg said:

Did Berrios not even get on the field last night? I thought he could be a candidate over one of the veteran WRs, but I don't see him in the boxscore after just 1 catch last week.

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I am pretty sure I read that he didn't dress for the game; reason unknown.

ShaneTrot said:

We obviously don't see what the coaches see every day in practice and in the building, but why is Hoyer the backup? He doesn't move well, he has a noodle arm and he's small. It amazes me they kept Jimmy G for half a season as insurance (and they were hoping to sign him) but they did not go and upgrade the backup QB this offseason. Does anyone have any confidence in Hoyer as the backup?

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Agreed all-around.

Hoyer is awful.

DrewDawg said:

Did Berrios not even get on the field last night? I thought he could be a candidate over one of the veteran WRs, but I don't see him in the boxscore after just 1 catch last week.

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He hasn't been able to practice as much and has been injured. Not much positive chatter on him because he hasn't done much. It feels like he's not going to make the cut with this trajectory. A lot can change and we don't know what the brass thinks are the usual caveats.

dcmissle said:

As for the brass, I doubt they were closely monitoring his abysmal performance in SF. The JG trade had a rushed aura around it, and it was probably sufficient that Hoyer knew the system and had been here before.

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I doubt Belichick had been grinding much 2017 Hoyer tape, but they have pro scouts whose job it is to evaluate players around the league.

My picks from last time with markup:
QB (2) T.Brady, B.Hoyer - same
RB (6) S.Michel, R.Burkhead, J.Develin, J.White, B.Bolden, J.Hill - same
WR (6) C.Hogan, P.Dorsett, C.Patterson, K.Britt, M.Slater, B.Berrios R.McCarron (Edelman suspended) - McCarron so far seems to have the PR job by default
TE (3) R.Gronkowski, J.Hollister, R.Izzo - same, though I might be stubborn on the Izzo / Allen thing. This also is a situation where I wouldn't be
C (1) D.Andrews
G (3) S.Mason, J.Thuney, T.Karras
T (43) T.Brown, M.Cannon, I.Wynn (IR), L.Waddle - at some point they will need an 8th OL, but if everyone is healthy entering the season I could see them sticking with seven for the time being
DE (45) T.Flowers, A.Clayborn, D.Wise, D.Rivers, Geneo Grissom
DT (4) M.Brown, D.Shelton, V.Valentine A.Butler, L.Guy - that 2016 draft looks worse and worse
ILB(3) D.Hightower, E.Roberts, C.Sam, N.Grigsby, J.Bentley - Bentley's emergence makes Roberts, who doesn't play ST, an easy cut
OLB(3) K.VanNoy, M.Flowers, B.King - same
CB (5) S.Gilmore, E.Rowe, D.Dawson, J.Jones, J.Jackson - same
SS (3) P.Chung, N.Ebner, J.Richards - same
FS (2) D.McCourty, D.Harmon - same
ST (3) S.Gostkowski, J.Cardona, R.Allen - same
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Following the pattern above...

I deleted Hill, but think he'll be one of those "we'll sign you right after Week 1" guys. Or possibly, "right after we put Michel on IR," depending on Sony's timeframe. If Hill gets scooped up (and they haven't traded Gillislee), they can bring MG or Webb back instead.

I deleted Decker as well, on the grounds that he hasn't shown anything. Ditto with Valentine on the defensive side.

I put Tobin in for Wynn, though Croston wouldn't surprise me, nor would signing someone else's cut for the fourth tackle role.

I added Keionta Davis, though I don't know whether he plays ST - if not, I'd like to make this a mulligan, and add Hill back instead. I also added Roberts - feels like he's one of those guys who BB likes for reasons I can't see. Speaking of, I added Richards and dropped Pleasant - better the guy who takes bad angles that you know, and all that.

I really want the season to start!

QB (2) T.Brady, B.Hoyer
RB (5) R.Burkhead, S.Michel, J.White, J.Hill, J.Develin
WR (5) C.Hogan, P.Dorsett, C.Patterson, K.Britt, M.Slater
TE (3) R.Gronkowski, D.Allen, J.Hollister
C (1) D.Andrews
G (3) S.Mason, J.Thuney, T.Karras
T (4) T.Brown, M.Cannon, L.Waddle, M.Tobin
DE (5) T.Flowers, A.Clayborn, D.Wise, D.Rivers, K.Davis
DT (4) M.Brown, D.Shelton, L.Guy, A.Butler
ILB(4) D.Hightower, J.Bentley, C.Sam, E.Roberts
OLB(3) K.VanNoy, M.Flowers, B.King
CB (6) S.Gilmore, E.Rowe, J.McCourty, J.Jones, J.Jackson, D.Dawson
SS (3) P.Chung, N.Ebner, J.Richards
FS (2) D.McCourty, D.Harmon
ST (3) S.Gostkowski, R.Allen, J.Cardona
Total players: 53

Cellar-Door said:

maybe hiding him to try and slip him to the Practice squad?


Washington might make sense... lost Guice for the season and the other options (Perine, Kelley, Marshall, Bibbs) are deeply underwhelming.

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J Hill likely to be gobbled up by WASH if exposed. Perine and Marshall banged up last night, though not lost for the season.

I hope that they don't fuck around with Hill. He looks great. Gillislee looks putrid. They should do the latter a favor and let him catch on somewhere else. Hill, on the other hand, deserves a job here.

Does a player who gets cut free to sign anywhere at anytime or is he bound to the first team who claims him? IOW, if the Pats cut Hill with the intention, made known to Hill, that I they will re-sign him as soon as Michel goes on IR(DTR), can Hill reject any offers or is it out of his hands?

Same question for practice squad types: do they have to accept a claim?

QB (2) T.Brady, B.Hoyer
RB (6) R.Burkhead, S.Michel, J.Develin, J.Hill, B.Bolden, J.White
WR (5) C.Hogan, M.Slater, C.Patterson, B.Berrios, P.Dorsett
TE (4) R.Gronkowski, D.Allen, R.Izzo, J.Hollister
C (1) D.Andrews
G (2) S.Mason, J.Thuney
T (3) T.Brown, M.Cannon, L.Waddle
DE (6) T.Flowers, A.Clayborn, D.Wise, D.Rivers, K.Davis, E.Lee
DT (4) M.Brown, D.Shelton, A.Butler, L.Guy
ILB(4) J.Bentley, C.Sam, N.Grigsby, D.Hightower
OLB(2) K.VanNoy, M.Flowers
CB (6) S.Gilmore, E.Rowe, J.Jones, J.McCourty, D.Dawson, J.Jackson
SS (3) N.Ebner, J.Richards, P.Chung
FS (2) D.McCourty, D.Harmon
ST (3) S.Gostkowski, R.Allen, J.Cardona

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QB (2) T.Brady, B.Hoyer
RB (6) R.Burkhead, S.Michel, J.Develin, J.Hill, B.Bolden, J.White
WR (5) C.Hogan, M.Slater, C.Patterson, B.Berrios, P.Dorsett
TE (4) R.Gronkowski, D.Allen, R.Izzo, J.Hollister
C (1) D.Andrews
G (2) S.Mason, J.Thuney
T (3) T.Brown, M.Cannon, L.Waddle
DE (6) T.Flowers, A.Clayborn, D.Wise, D.Rivers, K.Davis, E.Lee
DT (4) M.Brown, D.Shelton, A.Butler, L.Guy
ILB(4) J.Bentley, C.Sam, N.Grigsby, D.Hightower
OLB(2) K.VanNoy, M.Flowers
CB (6) S.Gilmore, E.Rowe, J.Jones, J.McCourty, D.Dawson, J.Jackson
SS (3) N.Ebner, J.Richards, P.Chung
FS (2) D.McCourty, D.Harmon
ST (3) S.Gostkowski, R.Allen, J.Cardona

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Only 6 OL seems pretty light. You’re 2 injuries away from Cardona or someone else unqualified logging meaningful snaps in a game.

j-man said:

QB (2) T.Brady, B.Hoyer
RB (6) R.Burkhead, S.Michel, J.Develin, J.Hill, B.Bolden, J.White
WR (5) C.Hogan, M.Slater, C.Patterson, B.Berrios, P.Dorsett
TE (4) R.Gronkowski, D.Allen, R.Izzo, J.Hollister
C (1) D.Andrews
G (2) S.Mason, J.Thuney
T (3) T.Brown, M.Cannon, L.Waddle
DE (6) T.Flowers, A.Clayborn, D.Wise, D.Rivers, K.Davis, E.Lee
DT (4) M.Brown, D.Shelton, A.Butler, L.Guy
ILB(4) J.Bentley, C.Sam, N.Grigsby, D.Hightower
OLB(2) K.VanNoy, M.Flowers
CB (6) S.Gilmore, E.Rowe, J.Jones, J.McCourty, D.Dawson, J.Jackson
SS (3) N.Ebner, J.Richards, P.Chung
FS (2) D.McCourty, D.Harmon
ST (3) S.Gostkowski, R.Allen, J.Cardona

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11DBs, 6DE's, 4TE's but only 6OL? No. There will be 8 OL

the LS count as a ol most teams only have 8 ol