I’m guessing that he signs a two year MLE deal here because we’re in the middle of nuclear winter. Despite everyone’s assumption that teams are going to line up to hand out huge money deals to the Boston roleplayers they want gone, the reality is that there are a handful of teams in the market and so many players to choose from that those deals are going to be to come by.
Agreed. Just not much cap space available around the league. Teams don't want to sign veteran role players (especially bigs) to multi-year deals. Many teams have there own favorites they want to bring back (ie Lakers-Randle, Sixers-Reddick, etc). There are only a few contending clubs that will have interest in Baynes. Maybe the Celtics offer Baynes 2yrs at the same price as last season($4.4/yr). Maybe Aron likes the idea of playing meaningful hoops, Celtic pride, living in Beacon Hill etc and turns down a larger 1yr deal elsewhere. Once again complete speculation, I have little idea how this will play out monetarily or what Baynes motivation is.
Forgive me if I'm missing something, but the Celtics just beat Philly, didn't they?
We had Baynes but no Williams last year, and I kept thinking we needed another big. Danny held out till the deadline and then picked up Monroe. I could see him keeping his options open again this year.
I believe I believe.
Agreed. He has a history of adding cheap veterans at the deadline. PJ Brown, Cassell, Marbury, etc.
Part of the reason for the thrashing though was that Horford reached the postseason fresh and that Baynes was there to physically abuse Embiid for 15-20 minutes a game. Williams isn’t that sort of player. Yabusele might be one day, he ain’t now.
Did we actually need Monroe? Did we really use Monroe in the playoffs? If it's just about absorbing minutes in the regular season to keep Horford fresh, why not give those minutes to our first round pick?
Williams is a prospect. He isn’t likely to have much impact on next season, and is unlikely to see much postseason time except in a blowout. So someone like Baynes is going to be signed just to spare Horford the beating during the regular season and against teams like Philly and Washington in the playoffs.Hey, I'm all about optimizing the lineup and I love that the discussion is mostly about just how sharp Danny can make his sword. I was just wondering about how to think about the needs in relation to the baseline of what has already happened.
I was a big Powe guy. I felt like Danny was... trying to get back to his roots. It's useful to have a banger, totally agree. I'm just trying to figure out the specific areas people want us to improve and why, so I agree with the get a big (or keep Baynes) but in that context, wanted to ask about the specific concerns as far as.... WINNING.
If given the choice of Tyreke here on a full 4-year MLE or Smart on the same deal who do you guys prefer?
I don't think there is any chance Tyreke Evans is available that cheap coming off the season he just had. In a vacuum, I'd take him. For this Celtics team, I'd really have to think hard because I think Smart is a better fit for our needs. So, I honestly don't know but don't think it's a real scenario worth considering.
Tyreke has played 117 games over the last 3 years, missed 129, had had at least 3 knee surgeries during that time, and is turning 29. I can't envision a rebuilding team under the cap going bonkers with a large deal......I don't see him as a fit for those teams at all. He will be a target of the contenders who don't have more than the MLE to spend. He is a legitimate option if Ainge prefers him over Smart if the latter also gets only an MLE offer sheet. I can see both sides here.
Smart by a mile.
I'm also guessing that Aron isn't super enthused about backing up the guy who tweeted "man bun just in the league to get dunked on."
Smart all day here, too. What the team needed Tyreke Evans for last year would be, I think, covered by Gordon Hayward's return and the redistribution of minutes accordingly between Tatum, Brown, and Hayward.
Grazi to you and the others. That's part of what I'm interested in--how long does it generally take to shape a rookie even to cannon fodder, yeah?
Given how many tools Brad already has at his disposal--and how many of them are Swiss Army Knife types--does a guy like Smart who brings... that something else... is there a point where that becomes more valuable once enough other stuff is in place.
You mean like, Smart is a multiplier effect on the other players, kind of? It's what he feels like to me, at least defensively.
Yeah, like that. I mean, Smart is the kind of guy you go to war with, as the saying goes--and the other players seem to feel that way too.
Larkin would never return here with no minutes coming his way anytime soon. He'll have plenty of opportunities for consistent minutes to reestablish himself as a regular rotation player in this league even without a raise this summer. His agent, then change of agents in the middle of the FA process, 3 years ago really screwed over his career.
If there are no minutes at that spot, why would Wanamaker leave an overseas career to come here? He may very well just want to get on an NBA roster, I don't know...
His goal is reportedly to get into the league similar to Larkin accepting his limited role last season to get his feet back in the door. You have to get on the radar first, then get your minutes for the opportunity to get paid. If we are the only offer it sounds like he's ready to take it but I agree that there are better spots for playing time if those teams choose to guarantee him a deal.
A buyout doesn't really do anything for OKC as they would still be over the cap unable to sign a FA. The only option to rid themselves of him would appear to be trading him to a team looking to shed a year off of a deal similar to Charlotte's trading of Howard for the Nets to get Mozgov's number off the books next year.
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Nailed it. Until of course someone gets hurt, in which case RW hopefully will get some run. And there's also Summer League, training camp and preseason where he'll get to hang with the major leaguers. I'd love to see the whole young crew on him, telling him this is the way its got to be.
This is not necessarily true. The Clippers can waive him prior to July 15th, which is expected to occur, and be on the hook for only $2m.
Agreed. For one thing, it's not exactly optimizing Lonzo Ball's skillset to have him never handle the ball.
I don't know if I buy the latest report about the Spurs only looking at EC teams. They know LA has the greatest incentive to trade for Kawhi due to signability, and that's their best opportunity to get something of value. Could be a negotiating ploy - gonna have to offer a lot more for us to consider trading him to an in-conference rival.
I like Len, but it’s because of possibility of more growth. Today, Baynes is a much better defensive player and that makes a huge difference. I’d bet Celts strong prefer Baynes if cost similar between these two. RPM has real gaps on big men with limited minutes but Baynes far ahead, fwiw.
Isn't that standard for trading a star player within a division or conference anyway? It usually boils down to how high the value bar is from a team within your conference or in some cases the bar is completely out of the reach for the acquiring team.
Sure. But I’m commenting on how the recent report is likely a semi-bluff, intended to send a message.
Except for that nasty little fact of Anthony being a surefire HOFer at the same of the signing as Beasley was being waived by Phoenix, Miami, and Memphis over a 12 month period.
Celtics interest: 1. Baynes 2. O'Quinn 3. Len
