Can you guys move the series talk to the series thread? This thread is meant only to give everyone false hope about a player's tribute video of Hayward practicing in full surfacing.
There really aren’t any weaknesses in his game. He can score at every level, good passer, good shooter, solid defender, etc. It’s been so long that it’s easy to forget just how good he is. Simply can’t wait to see Kyrie and Gordon join Horford, Tatum, and Brown.He looked pretty good in the flow of the offense as well, didn’t he? No matter how this season ends we’re all gonna be enraptured this whole offseason. To me this is an 86 Giants, 2004 Red Sox type build.
I’m sure it has a different medical meaning than sports training.Full strength? I’m curious about the source of that statement. If possible it would be great for DRS and RSF to elaborate on the legitimacy of “full strength.”
Strength, not conditioning?I’m sure it has a different medical meaning than sports training.
In my experience, at least, full strength means full strength for normal use, not to bench 300 pounds or jump up and down in a game or throw 100 mph, etc.Strength, not conditioning?
Not a doctor, but I'm pretty sure that Haywauds surgery was pre-planned. That stuff comes out. In Kyrie's case, you only take that stuff out if you have to. It was there for three years.The sports doc on BSJ wrote a column today saying that this surgery is excellent news. They wouldn't do the surgery if the previous surgery wasn't fully healed. And that this surgery will do exactly what is described, namely the removal of a source of irritation/inflammation.
(Wasn't the latter point basically the reason for Kyrie's season-ending surgery?)
Yeah, I explicitly said in the old Tatum draft thread that Hayward is one of his closer comps.So, isn't Hayward's game the type of game that we can see in Tatum--when Tatum improves his handle and passing a bit?
I think if he's playing, he's playing. Embiid had 500 different injuries and had never actually played NBA basketball,* so there was a different type of concern. If Hogwood remains limited, I dont think he'll play at all.Are we expecting any kind of Embiid rules with Hayward next year or should he pretty much be able to go come October? I'm sure they'll limit the minutes initially but wondering if he'll have any other restrictions placed on him.
I hear a lot about dissolvable screws and plates.....how do they differ from the permanent ones that Kyrie and Gordon had inserted? Is the technology simply not there yet for them to be as effective?I don’t see a lot of NBA guys, but in the general population I see plenty of these injuries and the plate sometimes stays in long term.
Well, they'd have to be made out of plastic. I don't know if they would be suitable for the same purposes that titanium screws are.I hear a lot about dissolvable screws and plates.....how do they differ from the permanent ones that Kyrie and Gordon had inserted?
In your cousin’s defense, a sizable percentage of these patients end up with bad arthritis years down the line.Yeah, my cousin has a plate and screws in ankles nearly 40 years later (bad choice on his part, his doctors wanted to remove them years ago but he decided against it, now the arthritis is killing him).
I'm sure he was screwed either way, because the initial, initial repair was screwed the fuck up. A rather notorious doctor at Lawrence General saw the obviously broken ankle and reset it without X raying the leg, necessitating a return to the hospital the next day and the surgery where the plate and screws were set in the ankle and the other three breaks in the shin and thigh also reset.In your cousin’s defense, a sizable percentage of these patients end up with bad arthritis years down the line.
It’s almost entirely related to the severity of the initial injury and the quality of the initial repair, not whether or not the plate and screws are removed (unless surgery was botched and screws were placed incorrectly into the joint).
Just as an aside: IANTKOD is excellent. IANTKOD either.I think we've gone over this many time over the years in different forums.
IANTKOD, but I have it from a reputable (I think...) source that the standard boilerplate response is that with most procedures they are prepared to leave it in unless it starts bothering the patient, whereupon they just remove it and it's not considered one of the concern areas of the process (no pun intended).
So leaving hardware in is routine. Taking it out is also routine. They just don't know which routine will be followed until the tissue around the hardware heals and they see if it bothers the patient. Unless we hear some specific reason for concern, there isn't any reason to have any.
[Disclosure: My hardware is still in.]
As we say in the IANTKOD fields, "Not a real doctor"Just as an aside: IANTKOD is excellent. IANTKOD either.
Weird that he went out of his way and said it wasn’t planned. It’s slmost like he’s covering up for the fact that they delayed it because had Boston advanced Hayward would’ve trotted out of the tunnel ready to goooooHHH MY GOD WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN!?!?Danny was on the radio today, and said the surgery wasn't planned. Said Gordon was doing very well, but still had pain in one spot. They figured it was the hardware causing irritation on the tendon, so they removed it.
While the surgery many be routine it isn't nothing in that it takes away all but the final 6 weeks or so of Hayward's offseason leading up to training camp after having just missed an entire season. This was going to be a huge summer for Hayward in returning to basketball activities and now it has been taken away. That isn't good.I think we've gone over this many time over the years in different forums.
IANTKOD, but I have it from a reputable (I think...) source that the standard boilerplate response is that with most procedures they are prepared to leave it in unless it starts bothering the patient, whereupon they just remove it and it's not considered one of the concern areas of the process (no pun intended).
So leaving hardware in is routine. Taking it out is also routine. They just don't know which routine will be followed until the tissue around the hardware heals and they see if it bothers the patient. Unless we hear some specific reason for concern, there isn't any reason to have any.
[Disclosure: My hardware is still in.]
It's about a 6-8 week setback. In the grand scheme of things, that's relatively minor given the severity of the injury. Maybe it means he misses the October games, and is coming off the bench with limited minutes in November/December. That would still be a positive outcome overall. I think the Celtics could survive that and still be a contender come April.While the surgery many be routine it isn't nothing in that it takes away all but the final 6 weeks or so of Hayward's offseason leading up to training camp after having just missed an entire season. This was going to be a huge summer for Hayward in returning to basketball activities and now it has been taken away. That isn't good.
As long as he is playing regular minutes by March or so I won't be worried. That gives him enough time to get a feel for the game back before the playoffs, and the Cavs have shown multiple times that seeding isn't all it's cracked up to be. Given that I'd rather the Celtics be overcautious rather than trying to race him back if he encounters any other setbacks.It's about a 6-8 week setback. In the grand scheme of things, that's relatively minor given the severity of the injury. Maybe it means he misses the October games, and is coming off the bench with limited minutes in November/December. That would still be a positive outcome overall. I think the Celtics could survive that and still be a contender come April.
March?? I think you’re undervaluing how important it is for a guy who hasn’t played competitive basketball in a year and hardly ever with any of his current teammates to be playing competitive basketball with his current teammates.As long as he is playing regular minutes by March or so I won't be worried. That gives him enough time to get a feel for the game back before the playoffs, and the Cavs have shown multiple times that seeding isn't all it's cracked up to be. Given that I'd rather the Celtics be overcautious rather than trying to race him back if he encounters any other setbacks.
Hell be back long before March. They will manage minutes (probably for everyone) all season and especially early on. But I’d be shocked if he wasn’t there for game 1.As long as he is playing regular minutes by March or so I won't be worried. That gives him enough time to get a feel for the game back before the playoffs, and the Cavs have shown multiple times that seeding isn't all it's cracked up to be. Given that I'd rather the Celtics be overcautious rather than trying to race him back if he encounters any other setbacks.
GH has a thing for Australians. Ingles was his boy on the Jazz.Hayward update: https://sports.yahoo.com/celtics-star-gordon-hayward-hopes-cleared-play-end-july-201440771.html
If you click through to Hayward’s piece there’s a pic from his daughter’s birthday party—Aron Baynes is there.
I might be calling my doctor in 4 hours.Brad says the year off has made GH a better shooter (quote here; full interview in the Athletic by subscription).
Jay King has been doing excellent work at The Athletic.Brad says the year off has made GH a better shooter (quote here; full interview in the Athletic by subscription).
Agreed. He and BRobb make their respective subscriptions worthwhile.Jay King has been doing excellent work at The Athletic.
Brad says the year off has made GH a better shooter (quote here; full interview in the Athletic by subscription).