Xander's Injury

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Bang bang in a matter of just a few seconds. Freak injury and fortunately not serious. Hopefully he will not have to rehab games. 10 days and back in the lineup. No such thing as good timing.
I agree it was bang bang and TKAA is right about the sequence. But it wasn't Martinez's fault. Talus bones break all the time. The world is an imperfect place.

p.s. That doesn't mean the Sox shouldn't panic trade for a certain D Backs SS prospect. Especially since it would drive his family and friends crazy if he winds up in the Sox organization.
 

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Early May seems reasonable, they are clearly telling us this is closer to bad bone bruise than smashed up talus based on their timeline.

It does seem a little odd to put an aggressive timeline out there, even if they hope it's a reasonable goal. If I was the player I'd rather them say 4-6 weeks then come back early, or at least have them say "reevaluated in 10-14 days" instead of "expected back in 10-14 days". For an injury that's likely going to be mainly a pain tolerance issue, now the pressure shifts to Xander to make the timeline (like Ellsbury's ribs).

I know all these guys should all be able to handle the media scrutiny, I just don't really see the benefit of potentially doing that (I assume Xander doesn't need any added motivation to get back as quickly as he can). I can only imagine players would prefer announcements err on the conservative side, and unless this is a very minor bone bruise, hard to see how the Red Sox did that.
 

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Isn't the real question in how he returns? Whether there's any effects running and such, or whether he favors the ankle?
every good bone deserves favour


I have to agree that I don't understand why the Sox are being so definitive so quickly on Xander's expected return.
 

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every good bone deserves favour


I have to agree that I don't understand why the Sox are being so definitive so quickly on Xander's expected return.
It could be the truth of what they're told.
It's something of a PR no-win. If they say 4-6 weeks and he really is ready in 15-20 days, then it's all about is it too soon and "ellsburys back ribs."

It may be better to say 2 weeks, and then say later, "we're holding him back til he's 100 percent" even though that risks the player being called "soft" by stupid people.

Of course, it may be best of all to say nothing, because the couch-assed non doctors out there that populate local discourse are generally unwilling to accept the idea that timetables like this are just estimates, and taking awhile longer or shorter is neither a sign of medical incompetence, nor of a player's moral and emotional failings.
 
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It’s 10 days or 60 days. We all know that. Red Sox saying 10-14 days is not relevant except as advised by the doctor. Why take the news as anything but the truth?

BTW, when I saw the play in real time, I thought the ball just unintentionally squirted out of his glove during the backhand. I guess I misread that since the consensus is that he was shuffling it to a non-existing fielder. Is that the accepted explanation?
 

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BTW, when I saw the play in real time, I thought the ball just unintentionally squirted out of his glove during the backhand. I guess I misread that since the consensus is that he was shuffling it to a non-existing fielder. Is that the accepted explanation?
That's how I saw it. Either Devers was there when he last looked, or he didn't look at all and just expected Devers to be there.
 

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I wonder though, with the injury being on his left foot, does that make it less impactful for his hitting because it's not on his back foot?
With the injury to his left foot, it wouldn't affect the drive in his swing which is developed from his right.
But it would affect his front side, which needs to provide a stable base for a powerful swing.
The real risk is that he fouls a bunch of pitches off his left foot, re-injuring it or prolonging a return to mashing.

Let him heal. Bring the carbon fiber ankle armor when he's ready.
 

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Here's the Talus
With the injury to his left foot, it wouldn't affect the drive in his swing which is developed from his right.
But it would affect his front side, which needs to provide a stable base for a powerful swing.
The real risk is that he fouls a bunch of pitches off his left foot, re-injuring it or prolonging a return to mashing.

Let him heal. Bring the carbon fiber ankle armor when he's ready.
Including the picture of the Talus bone that stormmon provided, is the Talus too high up to (easily) protect it with a metal plate? Did Pedroia have a metal plate put in his shoe back in 2010 when he had that horrible foul ball directly off the top of his foot injury?
 

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He provides extra depth at both IF and OF, and unlike Marrero, he can be optioned and still provide depth if Lin or someone else takes his job on the 25 man. I don't know if the Red Sox should have considered that worth the extra money, but it's not so much money that I can't see why they might.
I thought I remembered Holt being out of options, but that is certainly a point in his favor.

He's also a lefty batter, which is really what sets him apart from other utility players
He has a mild reverse split in his MLB career. Lin and Hernandez also bat LH, Swihart hits from both sides, and Moreland is the preferred LH bench bat.

I thought this was a Holt v. Marrero issue. If not, my bad.

-- It is (was), but not in a vacuum. Holt is better than Marrero, but his skill set is redundant several times over with the current 40-man and he costs $1.5M+ more. Marrero was useful as a late-inning defensive replacement or a more-than-occasional-fill-in at the two weakest defensive positions on the team. He's acceptable at the plate against LHP.

My eyes say Holt's a better OF than JDM. Regardless, JDM is OF #4, Nunez isn't playing the OF anytime soon. And Lin, who you say wont outhit Holt, isn't on the team.So in Holt and Swihart they have two versatile extra guys. Did Holt steal your lunch money or something?

-- He did not.

And with JDM as the DH most of the time, it makes it difficult for him to go to OF mid game.
Lin may be a better option than Holt, but I'm not sure if you're saying that.

-- I think Lin and Holt are roughly equivalent, given Holt is probably a little better hitter if healthy, but Lin is better defensively. But that's kind of the point. Holt exists in several other roughly equivalent or better forms - between Lin, Swihart, Nunez, Hernandez, Marrero. It doesn't make sense to pay $2.2M to get 150 PA when there are plenty of equivalent options to take them for $500K. In the end, we're talking about the last guy on the roster and (hopefully) less than 150 PA. So, it isn't of great consequence. I thought it was germane since we now have a situation where it would be better to have Marrero than Holt (regardless of the money), and it didn't really make sense to me to go the route they did.
And now back to our regularly scheduled injury recovery speculation...
 

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Sox Prospects.com has Holt with an option left and not enough service time to refuse the assignment, although there's been enough time since his MLB debut that he'd need to clear waivers to be optioned. If the idea is to trade him for not much return to clear his salary, him being claimed off waivers would do that. Also, optional waivers are revocable, so they could change their mind if he was claimed.
 

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that all sounds positive.

we're on a west coast trip next week. I doubt they rush him into Oakland as soon as he's eligible, but he could rejoin in Toronto in two weeks' time or just wait until we're back for more Rays at the end of the month
 

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that all sounds positive.

we're on a west coast trip next week. I doubt they rush him into Oakland as soon as he's eligible, but he could rejoin in Toronto in two weeks' time or just wait until we're back for more Rays at the end of the month
Which would also keep him off turf for another couple of weeks, which can't hurt.
 

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It’s 10 days or 60 days. We all know that. Red Sox saying 10-14 days is not relevant except as advised by the doctor. Why take the news as anything but the truth?

BTW, when I saw the play in real time, I thought the ball just unintentionally squirted out of his glove during the backhand. I guess I misread that since the consensus is that he was shuffling it to a non-existing fielder. Is that the accepted explanation?
I also saw it as unintentional.
 

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He seemed to be walking around fine in the dugout last night which is a good sign. Hopefully three weeks max. With X and Pedey on the field this is a very dangerous team.
 

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I really don't like him in the dugout. Someone accidentally bumps into him and steps on his foot and all of a sudden we're in a pickle.
 

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Looks like Bogaerts is getting closer to a return which is good news. I'll be happy to see a lot fewer lineups with Holt at SS.
 

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Guerrin Austin Tweeted today:


Xander Bogaerts continues to make progress- He'll play for Pawtucket Tuesday and Wednesday and the plan is to activate him Friday. #RedSox
 

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But there were people right here in this very thread with no medical backgrounds and no specific knowledge of Xander's injury speculating he'd be out for months, if not the season. I'll believe it when I see it.