Add the Celts #1 pick and it would be fair to Memphis. They could resign Evans after the season if he's in their long term plans. That said, perhaps there's a better offer out there they could get.
NBA 2018 Trade Deadline Chatter
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Our offense is predicated on the bigs spacing the floor to open up dribble penetration lanes for 3-point kickouts and using the big for pick-n-pops......neither Monroe or Noel have this skillset. The one dimension that they possess disrupts the entire motion offense when one player is a square peg looking to fit into a round hole.
Ainge has made a living on utilizing those players to fill his second unit on cheap rookie contracts. Giving that up for the right to pay Tyreke doesn't seem to fit his M.O......if we want to pay top dollar for a second unit guard we can simply sign Smart without giving up that rookie contract value.
This is a more reasonable offer. But, Memphis cannot keep Evans after this year either way. They don't have full Bird rights and are capped out. Similarly, a team acquiring him won't be able to keep him unless they have cap room.
Evans is a pure rental. That is a rare thing in the NBA and makes trying to value him really difficult. I think that if he weren't a pure rental, a late first wouldn't come close to getting it done. Memphis would be much better off keeping him under those circumstances. But, since he is, it's possible it is too much.
George is a free agent at the end of the year and they are probably going to lose him for nothing. Adding an All-Star talent would be a nice way to salvage that deal. Plus Love helps space the floor and he at least has history playing with Westbrook.
Eh, Love is a defensive liability. Sure, the Thunder might lose George, but they just got rid of an all-offense big man (Enes Kanter). I doubt if they would be in the market for another.
I wonder if Cleveland and Lebron could reach a point in the next few weeks where they conclude a trade makes the most sense for both sides. If he already knows where he wants to play next year, is there a deal where it makes sense for that team to give up something in order to get him this year?
Let's say hypothetically it's Philly. Fultz plus Reddick works in the trade machine.
Let's say hypothetically it's Philly. Fultz plus Reddick works in the trade machine.
which late 20s first round pick or 2nd rounder have filled the Celtics 2nd unit?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Celtics_draft_history
Delonte nd Ryan Gomes during the years in the wilderness. Tony Allen for most of his time here. Leon Powe and The Baconator (Davis) were key second unit performers for the Pierce/Garnett years. Bradley was a key reserve for most of his early career here. Sully was also a key second unit guy.
Rodney Hood is available. Another one of those RFAs that has particular benefits both now and in the future with the options it would give BOS.
Yabusele + BOS 2018 1st?
Yabusele + BOS 2018 1st?
So ESPN drops a bomb this morning that the relationship between Kawhi and the Spurs is fractured and no one has tried to wishcast him to their favorite team yet. What has this place become?
(Yes, I know they aren't trading him. It hasn't stopped anyone before. See: AD).
(Yes, I know they aren't trading him. It hasn't stopped anyone before. See: AD).
I would like to think that Boston fans, of all people, view ESPN reports of discord between well run organizations and their biggest stars with a healthy dose of skepticism.
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If that's all it would take to acquire him, I'm game. A Smart, Rozier, Morris, Hood, xxx lineup would be maddening to watch at times though. They'd also probably have to make a choice between Marcus Smart and Rodney Hood in the offseason.
So Nader, Larkin, Yabusele and Morris for KL? Throw in a future pick or two. Works on the trade machine.
Woj on ESPN Radio said the Cavs are working the phones. Apparently they had a team meeting yesterday and they've moved off hating IT4 to hating on Love. He was the focal point of the meeting. He was called out, and coaches were called out about the way he was treated.
He said they may want George but that he is not available. The best they *might* be able to do is George Hill or Kemba Walker.
He said they may want George but that he is not available. The best they *might* be able to do is George Hill or Kemba Walker.
I would think the Brooklyn pick would have to be in there for Charlotte to be interested, otherwise why do you want Love and Shumpert?
That would be a lot to give up for Kemba Walker. I know they are all turning on Love in Cleveland, but he's still worth more than a slightly above average PG. Throwing in the Brooklyn pick and taking back Batum's albatross contract would be a gross overpay.
Cleveland should call Portland and see if Love and the Brooklyn pick can net them Lillard or McCollum. I think this deadline or offseason is when they finally move on from that pairing.
Love's an Oregon kid, so I'm sure he'd be thrilled to move back there. McCollum-for-Love straight up seems like a pretty fair deal for both sides — if anything, I'd think the Blazers should be the ones to kick in a sweetener. Not sure how much it adds to the Cavs, who have plenty of scorers and not enough size or defense, but if it's as dysfunctional there as Woj makes it out to be, maybe they're motivated to make a lateral-ish move that also makes them a bit faster and younger.
From the Blazers' perspective, Lillard + Love seems like a better foundation for something half-decent than what they have now. And I'd assume Olshey would be fine making a move just to shake things up, too. They may not be as dysfunctional as Cleveland or Washington, but they're pretty clearly running in place.
From the Blazers' perspective, Lillard + Love seems like a better foundation for something half-decent than what they have now. And I'd assume Olshey would be fine making a move just to shake things up, too. They may not be as dysfunctional as Cleveland or Washington, but they're pretty clearly running in place.
Yes, to clarify my original post I think Cleveland would have to throw in the Brooklyn pick for Lillard, but probably not for McCollum. I'm not sure that Love changes the direction of the Blazers that much, but it gives them slightly more roster balance. If they did that and made a move on DeAndre Jordan (who they are connected to in rumors) that makes a lot more sense. Lillard/Love/Jordan is the kind of core that could solidify them as a top four team in the West.
Lillard/McCollum don't solve any of Cleveland's bigger issues, but it does give them the creator and floor spacing they've lacked without Kyrie. Sort of a re-set to the 2016-17 version of the team.
I mean McCollum is an ideal fit at the 1 with LeBron, so I actually do think that it helps them a great deal. If you think of him as a 2, it's less than ideal, but he's a 2 in Portland for the same reason that Avery Bradley was here. In Cleveland James is the primary shot creator, so McCollum is less of a defensive liability playing the 1 and won't be at loggerheads with James over QB responsibilities. It might be the Cavs' best shot at keeping LBJ.
Not sure I would call him a slightly above average PG. I think he is clearly in the 2nd tier behind the CurryHarden/Paul/etc tier, but he is near the top of that tier. He is signed on an insanely cheap deal for next year too.
Okay, that's fine but he's still second tier. You aren't giving your All-Star forward, lottery pick and taking back Batum's toxic deal to get him.
I was mostly kidding to mock how much Celtics fans(myself included) love Brown and Tatum.
Seriously? Ainge has filled his 2nd unit up with rookie contracts and cheap value FA's for a decade.
Tony Allen, Leon Powe, Glen Davis, Rondo, and Perkins were all rotation players on Ainge's first championship team with each on their cheap rookie deal. The rest of the non-Big 3 rotation was filled by cheap FA in Posey, Eddie House, Cassell, and PJ Brown.
Delonte West, Semih Erden, Greg Steimsma, Sullinger, Olynyk, Pressey,.....Rozier is filling that role right now. The list of cheap vet FA filling out the second unity over the years is too lengthy to even write.
Not to single you out, but I always hate when this supposition is made. Not every person loves where they grew up and wants to go back and certainly not when it would bring on the added annoyance of ticket requests, hangers on, etc, that it would with an NBA star. It might very well be true, but there's no reason to think it would make it more attractive or less based simply of "he grew up there". Nostalgia doesn't weigh equally with everyone.
They are definitely fantastic future parts, though Brown's handle still worries me. He may just top out as high end 3 & D guy.
On the other hand he seems to be abjectly miserable at the moment, and being forced to spend time in Cleveland to boot. I'm sure that even if he loathed every last second of his existence in Oregon while there, it probably looks like paradise today.
Yeah, I think it's flawed logic in many cases — Wizards fans assuming KD was pining to return to his rather rough roots in Prince George's county, MD, e.g. It wasn't a totally generic supposition in the case of Love, though: I'm not sure about Oregon per se, but I know in the Summer of 2014 when the Love-to-GS rumors were hot heavy, there was much talk from his camp about how totally stoked he'd be to get back on the West Coast.
Also: not every person loves where they grew up, but I think it's a fair assumption that 99%+ of people who grew up in Oregon and California would rather live there than Cleveland.
Love was Little League teammates with Klay Thompson in Lake Oswego ... git'er done, Theo
Agreed, the Celtics roster has been filled out with cheap vet FA, top 25 first round picks and other teams picks. Maybe I misunderstood your post, but this is what you said about Ainge trading the Celtics 2018 first round pick:
Ainge has made a living on utilizing those players (Celtic late 1st round picks) to fill his second unit on cheap rookie contracts
Looking at past Celtic picks above 25 in the 1st round (where their pick will be this year) or 2nd rounders, nothing earth-shattering has been drafted here. The Celtics could comfortably trade a 2018 pick to add a scorer.
In addition to that:
1. Celtics have several picks coming up (Lakers/Sac, Memphis, Clippers).
2. The current roster has plenty of youngsters signed up for multiple years.
3. If the league is hoarding/overvaluing draft picks, it wouldn't shock me to see Danny move the Celtics pick for a player.
Windhorst says the Cavs-Kings talks for George Hill are "at the 1 yard line." Rumored names that could be in the deal are Iman Shumpert, Derrick Rose, and Channing Frye.
George Hill's net rating for this year is a putrid -12.6(defensive rating of 113!!). How the hell is he going to help any of Cleveland's woes?
George Hill's net rating for this year is a putrid -12.6(defensive rating of 113!!). How the hell is he going to help any of Cleveland's woes?
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If the game was played on a spreadsheet I'd agree but Hill is a solid role player who isn't the type to raise up awful teammates in Sacramento as that simply isn't his game. Naturally his numbers would be awful in that environment. It isn't like he suddenly became a horrific basketball player overnight......he was in an impossible situation for him to succeed in with the Kings.
Current rating aside he has a good defensive reputation, he knocks down open 3s and he won't cost much to acquire. That's a no brainer for Cleveland. He has sucked this year because he's on a crap team full of rookies.
Cavs desperately need a good defender at guard. Thomas, Smith, Calderon, Rose is a truly horrible set of defensive guards. Hill will do that, and he's a fine playmaker, and a good shooter. This is a no brainer.
EDIT: forgot to mention Wade, who can still turn it on, obviously, and be a really good defender
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I know what Hill has done in his career but it’s really tough to be as bad as he’s been defensively without suffering a slip in his game. His D rating is one of the worst in the entire NBA. Am I to believe he’ll just flip a switch and become a much better player in Cleveland? Sure, his stats should go up a bit by being on a better team but not dramatically. He chose to take the money and go to Sacramento and should’ve known what he was getting himself into.
Again, he chose to go there. I’m not feeling any sympathy for him if he’s sulking and not playing well.
They have Shumpert back, he's a strong defender. But it looks likely he'd be heading to Sacramento in that deal.
It's hilarious that the knights of talk radio are still talking about what moves Cleveland can make to match up with Golden State. They are not going to see Golden State again.
Nobody is asking you to feel sympathy. It seems that people are trying to say that his numbers this year should be taken in context of a shitty situation, and perhaps his career numbers should also be considered.
Per 538: .56 (GSW) x .22 (CLE) = 12.3% chance of another GSW/CLE finals.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2018-nba-predictions/
Even if you generously correct their odds for "star power" or "playoff mettle" or whatever, you have to think it's much worse than an even bet (and fwiw, the 538 model tries hard to correct for playoff track record — if it didn't, the Cavs wouldn't be anywhere near 22%).
Those odds are assuming that the roster we see now is the one they will have at the end of the year
I really like George Hill and I think he is solid acquisition for the Cavs. That said, if they are getting him to improve the defense, I agree with RO - he isn't going to cut it. He is 31 years old and has been in decline well before winding up in the NBA island of misfit toys (excepting Fat ZBo, Trill Cauley-Stein and Frank Mason Jr.) also known as Sacramento.
I don't know about you but I salivate at the prospect of Hill trying to guard Kyrie straight up or DeRozan or Lowry. He will get straight up torched.
I don't know about you but I salivate at the prospect of Hill trying to guard Kyrie straight up or DeRozan or Lowry. He will get straight up torched.
How about the DPE in a three way deal? Does that work? Heard that Dedmon may be available, and while he may not be the ideal target, it got me thinking about not just looking at players on expiring deals, but rather who is available on those deals who may be flippable. So hypothetical - DPE + LAC pick for an expiring player with Bird rights who is then flipped to ATL for Dedmon.