Hayward's Injury

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It was a set shot, but he definitely was putting pressure on his ankle by rising up on the tip of his feet.

Here's the video.

Its amazing and frustrating how effortless it is for these guys... Just tossing in a handful of set-threes, you know after returning from a disturbingly gruesome injury...
 

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Even if they're low impact he's still making some small cuts on the ankle as he is going into those shots. Give him 2 more months...
It really is remarkable to me that he could conceivably be back this year. It's hard to believe that it's easier to come back from his gruesome injury than an ACL injury when you see guys walking off the field after injuring them.
 

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The left calf doesn't look bad at all there, pretty close to the right one. And his shooting motion is so smooth. It's like the opposite of the Fultz videos.
 

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It really is remarkable to me that he could conceivably be back this year. It's hard to believe that it's easier to come back from his gruesome injury than an ACL injury when you see guys walking off the field after injuring them.
Granted, we only see what we see, but his attitude through this appears to have been absolutely top notch.

He could be a really amazing addition to this team culture thing.
 

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I really, really, really hope they schedule his return game at the Garden. The demand for tickets would likely be higher than a 1st or 2nd round playoff game.

It's amazing how pumped up you can get watching someone casually shoot for 20 seconds
 

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Even if they're low impact he's still making some small cuts on the ankle as he is going into those shots. Give him 2 more months...
That's what I noticed. His footwork looks great. He stayed lean and in shape during the layoff, which takes a ton of discipline because you really have to track calories and not rely on old - even clean - eating habits.
 

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Not really major news here:

“My mindset is he’s not coming back,” said Stevens as a guest of The Dan Patrick Show on NBC Sports. “That’s the way we’ve approached it. Gordon and I have never had a conversation about him coming back.”
 

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The key part is the "mindset" - Stevens knows he can't allow his players to think Gordon will come back and magically fix the team - thats an easy out. On the other hand, despite what they say, they all know there is a very good chance he back for the playoffs (but can't publicly acknowledge"
 

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Stevens gave a more direct, "He is not coming back this season" statement to the media in NY yesterday.
The deadline to decide is April 14th, right? Seems unlikely that the team would rule out a return on February 24th or whatever. Chances are that he doesn’t return but I’m not buying that the decision has been made.
 

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The deadline to decide is April 14th, right? Seems unlikely that the team would rule out a return on February 24th or whatever. Chances are that he doesn’t return but I’m not buying that the decision has been made.
April 13, 3 PM.

I agree that we likely won't know for sure until the deadline comes.
 

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No real update, but it's nice to see him back in uniform. It's almost a little weird after all this time.

 

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Well we should know within a few weeks right? What do we think the latest time would be for him to get in game shape and such to be able to have an impact?
 

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Well we should know within a few weeks right? What do we think the latest time would be for him to get in game shape and such to be able to have an impact?
Paul George returned for the final 6 games of the season in '14-'15 contributing to the Pacers second unit when they were making a playoff push. I've always viewed Hayward to be of a similar timeline to be best prepared to give us playoff minutes.
 

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I think it was DRS who warned that, upon returning, GH would not be himself for a good season or so. Am I remembering this correctly? Does DRS still think this way?
Beuller? Beuller?
 

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I think it was DRS who warned that, upon returning, GH would not be himself for a good season or so. Am I remembering this correctly? Does DRS still think this way?
Beuller? Beuller?
I think he said it would be about a year from his injury, not a full season beyond that.
 

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Paul George returned for the final 6 games of the season in '14-'15 contributing to the Pacers second unit when they were making a playoff push. I've always viewed Hayward to be of a similar timeline to be best prepared to give us playoff minutes.
Paul George also broke his leg 2.5 months earlier than Hayward did. August 1st for George, October 17th for Hayward
 

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Paul George also broke his leg 2.5 months earlier than Hayward did. August 1st for George, October 17th for Hayward
Hayward also had a different injury. A dislocation, (presumably) intraarticular fracture, and the associated ligament damage is another set of variables to add to the equation.

George had a nasty fracture but in a young person, once you line it up, more often than not it heals at a pretty predictable rate. Hayward's injury has the potential to be much more complex, and the error bars around his expected timeline are probably larger based on our limited outside info.
 

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Hayward also had a different injury. A dislocation, (presumably) intraarticular fracture, and the associated ligament damage is another set of variables to add to the equation.

George had a nasty fracture but in a young person, once you line it up, more often than not it heals at a pretty predictable rate. Hayward's injury has the potential to be much more complex, and the error bars around his expected timeline are probably larger based on our limited outside info.
Wasn’t there little to no ligament damage?
 

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Just to follow up, this is from Hayward's blog...

"As far as the plan for surgery, it had three parts. First was fixing the bone, which was the most straightforward and easy thing. Next was fixing the ligaments that I tore, and that was relatively straightforward, too. The third part was the unknown, and the only thing that concerned the medical staff. There was a little blip on the scans that might show potential cartilage damage. If that was the case, it wouldn’t be good."

According to Hayward the cartilage issue turned out to be an old injury and not that important... hopefully thats the case.
 

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I’m to the point with GH where I’m more than happy if he returns, but an entire summer of conditioning and full confidence in the ankle next Fall is much more important to this team long term.

A closing 5 of Kyrie Jaylen Hayward Tatum and Horford in 18-19 is going to be absolutely terrifying for other teams to deal with.
 

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Hayward also had a different injury. A dislocation, (presumably) intraarticular fracture, and the associated ligament damage is another set of variables to add to the equation.

George had a nasty fracture but in a young person, once you line it up, more often than not it heals at a pretty predictable rate. Hayward's injury has the potential to be much more complex, and the error bars around his expected timeline are probably larger based on our limited outside info.
George's fracture likely had some significant tissue damage around the break. A lot of people are using the George injury for comparison, and I'm not sure how useful it is.
 

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Chris Mannix had a report within the last couple of days which said that sources told him Hayward's ankle still looked "purpleish". Sounds to me that he's still got a lot of rehab left.
Eh, maybe. I'm no doctor, but I had a super bad sprain of my ankle like 8 years ago and my ankle is still a bit discolored. Petechiae (burst capillaries under the skin) seems to linger for a long time, especially in us super pale folks.
 

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There’s plenty of reasons it could be purplish, if that is to believed. I wouldn’t think petechia would last that long but I guess it could, but there’s also skin discolorations on the lower legs like lichen aureus which develop and can’t really be effectively cleared. I only know because I have a big blotch on each leg between my calf and my heel and I’ve done everything they’ve suggested and it does nothing. I just have to live looking like a freak in shorts.
 

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George's fracture likely had some significant tissue damage around the break. A lot of people are using the George injury for comparison, and I'm not sure how useful it is.
But muscle/skin isn't a big deal, that stuff will heal. Ligaments and cartilage are a big deal and important for stability and pain-free mobility.

Fractures away from joints are very different than intraarticular fracture/dislocations.
 

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But muscle/skin isn't a big deal, that stuff will heal. Ligaments and cartilage are a big deal and important for stability and pain-free mobility.

Fractures away from joints are very different than intraarticular fracture/dislocations.
Agreed on the fracture difference. But ankle ligament damage is not UCL or ACL. There isn't a player above 9th grade who doesn't routinely stretch those ligaments and who doesn't completely tear them periodically. Half of the people reading this post have torn them.
 

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Paul George also broke his leg 2.5 months earlier than Hayward did. August 1st for George, October 17th for Hayward
I was referring specifically to a timeline for a return for the playoffs not anything related to the type of injury. I should have been more clear. The timeline I trusted the most, aside from the medical people, was Shavlik Randolph who suffered the same injury sans any details that we are not privy to and said he was ready to be on the floor in 5-6 months.

radsox, do you have any specific info on the differences in the Shavlik/Gordon injury? At the time Shavlik spoke there weren't any differences made available.
 
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radsoxfan

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Agreed on the fracture difference. But ankle ligament damage is not UCL or ACL. There isn't a player above 9th grade who doesn't routinely stretch those ligaments and who doesn't completely tear them periodically. Half of the people reading this post have torn them.
Definitely, most of the NBA players have previously torn/scarred/remodelled ankle ligaments. I'm just saying its an added variable in his case, and his ligament tears were almost certainly high grade given the injury.

The way they scar down can lead to some persistent microinstability and swelling, impossible to know until he ramps up the rehab. The ligament damage isn't something likely to end his career by any means just an added thing that could change the course/duration of the rehab.
 

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I’m to the point with GH where I’m more than happy if he returns, but an entire summer of conditioning and full confidence in the ankle next Fall is much more important to this team long term.

A closing 5 of Kyrie Jaylen Hayward Tatum and Horford in 18-19 is going to be absolutely terrifying for other teams to deal with.
This.