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Hoya81

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If Flores leaves, does BB leave the DC position open and hand the responsibility to Boyer/Daly? I don’t think Steve Belichick would be in the mix for that yet.
 

Ale Xander

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Mike Munchak declined a 2nd interview for the Arizona job per Chris Mortensen. Brian Flores, according to Adam Schefter, is now a real possibility to be the head coach in Arizona. Crazy.
This would be awesome. On first glance, you would think, wtf are the Cardinals thinking. But then you realize he has 14 years of Belichick experience. I hope he gets it from a good for him perspective, but on the other hand, we need him to be DC here.

It's a "Go Eagles" week nonetheless.
 
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I want Flores back. If not, Schiano. We need some experience somehow and Bill could probably use the stability of a grown up. Handing the DC reins - even without the title - to one of the sons would be premature and not a great look, either. Earn your way. Everyone.
 

loshjott

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Seeing that both coordinators are more than likely leaving, and BB's retirement could be <5 years away, the new coordinator hires could be front runners to be the next HC. Depending on how things go.
 

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Gun to my head (I love that reference from Doggie) - a few months ago....I'd have said Sarkisian is out as the OC in Atlanta while Haley remains in Pitt.

Hard to believe (for me anyway) that that is completely the opposite as the season came to a close for both franchises this past weekend.

IMO - nobody did less with more (in the NFL this season) than Sarkisian.

Apparently, the 'Pitt people' felt the same about Haley.
 

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So did Dante.

I'd prefer Schiano, but you can't always get what you want.
I wasn't impressed with Pees when he was here anyways. Ohio State brought in the Washington State defensive coordinator so something might be going on in Columbus. This screams Schiano back to the NFL.
 

hube

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I remember Pees' tenure here ending poorly, but I could just be conflating that with how the 2009 season went as a whole. Still, pretty rare for someone just to leave the NEP because their contract has expired, right?
 

Hoya81

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I suspect Pees’ peripheral involvement in DFG (was interviewed but left out of the Wells report) probably rules out a return.
 

dcmissle

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I remember Pees' tenure here ending poorly, but I could just be conflating that with how the 2009 season went as a whole. Still, pretty rare for someone just to leave the NEP because their contract has expired, right?
The Pats struggled defensively for a bit. There was talk that Pees had been fired. That is false. Pees is adamant that he has never been fired, and there is no reason to disbelieve him.

Ravens players loved Pees, wanted him back. Pees said it’s time to move on to other things, and he is at an age to do so. Would be shocked if he came back to NE.
 

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IMO - nobody did less with more (in the NFL this season) than Sarkisian.

Apparently, the 'Pitt people' felt the same about Haley.
I thought Haley’s inability to get along with Roethlisberger did him in. Not that Haley’s performance was stellar, mind you, but I’m pretty sure he’d be out of work even if he had been the second coming of Mike Martz.

If memory serves, Haley lost the locker room in Kansas City when he was head coach there. One wonders if he’s not good at the ego-management part of the job.
 

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I suspect Pees’ peripheral involvement in DFG (was interviewed but left out of the Wells report) probably rules out a return.
I think we need to know what he said to really assess that. Frankly, him being left out of the report suggests he said nothing negative about the Pats given the overall slant of the report and its desparation to find anything approximating evidence.
 

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I really don't understand this hire. One of the big points with Mularkey and Mariota was that they weren't running the most efficient offense for that QB. Now they hire a defensive minded HC? Vrabel better hire a star OC or else he is going to fail.

Vrabel played under Haley in KC right? Wonder if he is an option, although it seems like they are a bit of a personality clash.
 

Clears Cleaver

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I really don't understand this hire. One of the big points with Mularkey and Mariota was that they weren't running the most efficient offense for that QB. Now they hire a defensive minded HC? Vrabel better hire a star OC or else he is going to fail.

Vrabel played under Haley in KC right? Wonder if he is an option, although it seems like they are a bit of a personality clash.
It may mean they realize mariota isn’t the long term solution
 

tims4wins

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It may mean they realize mariota isn’t the long term solution
Interesting. Hadn't considered that perspective. That would put Vrabel in kind of a bind though. Mariota is entering year 4, so they'd have to make a decision on whether to exercise the 5th year option.
 

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Interesting. Hadn't considered that perspective. That would put Vrabel in kind of a bind though. Mariota is entering year 4, so they'd have to make a decision on whether to exercise the 5th year option.
Yeah, well, times are tough all around... ;)
 

Super Nomario

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I really don't understand this hire. One of the big points with Mularkey and Mariota was that they weren't running the most efficient offense for that QB. Now they hire a defensive minded HC? Vrabel better hire a star OC or else he is going to fail.
You're always picking from one side or the other. I mean, if they took an offensive mind, they would really need a good DC (especially since they've used their first pick on offense seven years in a row).

I'm not a fan of the idea that because you have a young QB, you have to pick an offensive guy. Brady has played his whole career under a defensive guy. Peyton most of his (Caldwell and Kubiak the only exceptions). Roethlisberger. Brees developed under Schottenheimer before landing with Payton. I don't think the offensive minds really have a better track record of developing young QBs; the devil is in the details. I see a paint-by-numbers approach around the league where you draft a young QB, surround him with OL and WR talent, pair him with an up-and-coming offensive genius, and now he has to throw 50 times a game because the defense is straight garbage.

And Mularkey's gone because he wasn't Jon Robinson's guy. The same thing happened in Detroit. Owners hire a new GM but want to keep the HC; the new GM says "fine" and then scapegoats and cans the HC at the first opportunity. We've seen that play out in TEN, DET, and IND this offseason; fast-forward to next year when he see Dorsey jettison Hue.

Vrabel played under Haley in KC right? Wonder if he is an option, although it seems like they are a bit of a personality clash.
Haley was my first thought, too.

It may mean they realize mariota isn’t the long term solution
Mariota didn't have a great 2017, but the dude is 24. Also, I have trouble seeing what this has to do with Vrabel's hire. If they really were willing to give up on Mariota after three seasons, they would still need a guy who can develop the next guy.
 

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You're always picking from one side or the other. I mean, if they took an offensive mind, they would really need a good DC (especially since they've used their first pick on offense seven years in a row).

I'm not a fan of the idea that because you have a young QB, you have to pick an offensive guy. Brady has played his whole career under a defensive guy. Peyton most of his (Caldwell and Kubiak the only exceptions). Roethlisberger. Brees developed under Schottenheimer before landing with Payton. I don't think the offensive minds really have a better track record of developing young QBs; the devil is in the details. I see a paint-by-numbers approach around the league where you draft a young QB, surround him with OL and WR talent, pair him with an up-and-coming offensive genius, and now he has to throw 50 times a game because the defense is straight garbage.

And Mularkey's gone because he wasn't Jon Robinson's guy. The same thing happened in Detroit. Owners hire a new GM but want to keep the HC; the new GM says "fine" and then scapegoats and cans the HC at the first opportunity. We've seen that play out in TEN, DET, and IND this offseason; fast-forward to next year when he see Dorsey jettison Hue.


Haley was my first thought, too.


Mariota didn't have a great 2017, but the dude is 24. Also, I have trouble seeing what this has to do with Vrabel's hire. If they really were willing to give up on Mariota after three seasons, they would still need a guy who can develop the next guy.
Pagano was a scapegoat? I know he didn’t have Luck but come on. The guy wasnt a good coach. Indy needed changes top to bottom.
 

Super Nomario

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Pagano was a scapegoat? I know he didn’t have Luck but come on. The guy wasnt a good coach. Indy needed changes top to bottom.
I don't disagree with your assessment of Pagano, but why not fire him last offseason when they fired Grigson and let Ballard pick his own guy? Keeping the old HC on just buys time for the new GM; if they have a down year, they just can the HC. The whole thing is distasteful to me, both the owner meddling to force the GM to keep the coach he doesn't really want and the GM "nudge nudge wink wink" agreeing to keep on the coach when you know he's going to throw him under the bus at the first convenient opportunity.
 

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I don't disagree with your assessment of Pagano, but why not fire him last offseason when they fired Grigson and let Ballard pick his own guy? Keeping the old HC on just buys time for the new GM; if they have a down year, they just can the HC. The whole thing is distasteful to me, both the owner meddling to force the GM to keep the coach he doesn't really want and the GM "nudge nudge wink wink" agreeing to keep on the coach when you know he's going to throw him under the bus at the first convenient opportunity.
Because maybe Ballard wanted to give him a year and they weren’t certain on Luck’s health? If he goes 8-8 or makes the playoffs or whatever, improves as a coach and keeps them competitive without Luck, you keep him. He’s been up and down as a coach and overall not good, but he still has given them good seasons. You don’t need to necessarily throw the baby out with the bath water.
 

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Reiss on Channel 4 making the point that McDaniels to Indy is not all wrapped up.