2018 NFCCG: Eagles v. Vikings

Who will Win


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lars10

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I don’t know about you guys, but Keenum’s performance on Sunday didn’t really pass the eye test. He threw some really questionable passes that were fortunate to not have ended up as INTs and his receivers did make some great plays on the ball to turn awkward passes into big plays. His interception was one of the worst throws of the season by any QB and I just don’t have a ton of confidence in him playing on the road this week. I wouldn’t be surprised if he turned it over three times.
Minn should have lost the game.. even his pass to diggs was too far off the sideline for what it should have been. Bradford at the beginning of the season had the offense flying. Keenum has filled in well, but if I’m Minn I don’t automatically give him the job next year.
 

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No. the SI piece made it clear that originally the AFC was going to get the Vikings facilities, and NFC was to practice at a college. The NFL does everything they can to make accommodations comparable, but if Vikings are in it, all of it will be flipped and Vikings would use own facility.


they don’t mention locker room in the piece that I remember.
This is my point. One team is 100% familiar with where they play, where they practice, the other is zero. I don't understand why the NFL intentionally FURTHER imbalance the situation
 

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Logistics. The Super Bowl is already a logistical nightmare. This makes it less of a nightmare. It’s not that complicated. And ultimately the advantage is probably less than your describing.
 

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Logistics. The Super Bowl is already a logistical nightmare. This makes it less of a nightmare. It’s not that complicated. And ultimately the advantage is probably less than your describing.
Exactly. It’s less than a week, and the U Minnesota facilities are actually closer to the Stadium than the Vikings’ and were totally updated less than 10 years ago. They’re fine.

Case Keenum being able to crap in his favorite stall for a few days isn’t going to swing the game.
 

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Exactly. It’s less than a week, and the U Minnesota facilities are actually closer to the Stadium than the Vikings’ and were totally updated less than 10 years ago. They’re fine.

Case Keenum being able to crap in his favorite stall for a few days isn’t going to swing the game.
Also I thought I saw it somewhere this is the old Vikings training tacitly. The new one hasn’t been finished yet, but I might be remembering that wrong.
 

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I don’t know about you guys, but Keenum’s performance on Sunday didn’t really pass the eye test. He threw some really questionable passes that were fortunate to not have ended up as INTs and his receivers did make some great plays on the ball to turn awkward passes into big plays. His interception was one of the worst throws of the season by any QB and I just don’t have a ton of confidence in him playing on the road this week. I wouldn’t be surprised if he turned it over three times.
I'd argue Deshone Kizer had worse, but fair enough. FWIW, I'm not confident in Keenum either.

Minn should have lost the game.. even his pass to diggs was too far off the sideline for what it should have been. Bradford at the beginning of the season had the offense flying. Keenum has filled in well, but if I’m Minn I don’t automatically give him the job next year.
At this point (multiple IR inducing surgeries to treat knee problems), I'm not sure I'd trust Sam Bradford long-term, which leaves either Case or Teddy.
 

lars10

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I'd argue Deshone Kizer had worse, but fair enough. FWIW, I'm not confident in Keenum either.

At this point (multiple IR inducing surgeries to treat knee problems), I'm not sure I'd trust Sam Bradford long-term, which leaves either Case or Teddy.
Aren't they all free agents? I wasn't really intending to say that I'd go with Bradford either, but the offense seemed to be much more of a machine with him at the helm.. meaning that maybe we're not seeing the best of the Vikings at the moment because of Keenum.
 

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Today’s Fun Fact - every team that has defeated a Marty Ice led team in the playoffs has made it to the Super Bowl. Philly could be the sixth such team to do so.
 

EricFeczko

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Aren't they all free agents? I wasn't really intending to say that I'd go with Bradford either, but the offense seemed to be much more of a machine with him at the helm.. meaning that maybe we're not seeing the best of the Vikings at the moment because of Keenum.
Yup. I didn't think you were intending support for Bradford, my apologies if that implication came off in my response. I was extending your comment to discuss who would be ideal -- it may actually be teddy, ultimately, but Bradford would be too risky.

It's really hard to say from only a couple of games. Bradford's performance over 15 games last year is highly similar to Keenum's performance this year, they just went about it in different ways (Keenum is better at deep passes than Bradford, Bradford has a higher completion rate). Furthermore, both Bradford and Keenum put up a few stinkers in their respective samples, so drawing conclusions from single games would be premature at best. However, Bradford has had three or four knee injuries (including at least two grade 3 ACL tears) in the last four years.

As someone who lived through the Sam Bradford Experience in Philly and followed him in MN, I respectfully disagree. Good QB, but he’s like fine china.
I wouldn't even go that far; he has specific strengths and weaknesses that can be optimized (offensive systems) or exploited (defensive systems) by teams. He was terrible in Philly and St. Louis (where Keenum also outperformed him rate-wise, coincidentally), possibly because he was in the wrong system. However, Minnesota was an average passing team (14th in ANYPA) with Sam Bradford at the helm.
 

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I’m feeling Philly here as the game approaches. Never a good sign for Philly.
I have absolutely no read on this game other than I think it’s going to be low scoring. People are penciling in Vikings but I’m not sure about that.
 

Leather

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I think Minnesota is playing loose and kicks the shit out of Philly.
 

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In a likely low scoring game without a standout QB on either side does HFA matter more? I think it might. That is going to be an intensely hostile building tomorrow.

I looked up QBs who have won a road CCG in the last 25 years. It wasn't quite the murderers row I was expecting, but Keenum and Bortles are both probably a step down from the weakest names on the list: Stan Humphries, Chris Chandler, Jake Delhomme, Trent Dilfer.

Minnie was my pick to win it all going into the playoffs, but I thought they would be hosting this game. I can't quite believe that Case Keenum is going to win an NFCCG on the road. Think the Eagles survive an ugly game.
 

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In a likely low scoring game without a standout QB on either side does HFA matter more? I think it might. That is going to be an intensely hostile building tomorrow.

I looked up QBs who have won a road CCG in the last 25 years. It wasn't quite the murderers row I was expecting, but Keenum and Bortles are both probably a step down from the weakest names on the list: Stan Humphries, Chris Chandler, Jake Delhomme, Trent Dilfer.

Minnie was my pick to win it all going into the playoffs, but I thought they would be hosting this game. I can't quite believe that Case Keenum is going to win an NFCCG on the road. Think the Eagles survive an ugly game.
Vikings’ last road playoff win was 13 years ago in Green Bay. Before that, was like 1997. A Philly win wouldn’t surprise me in the least although objectively the Vikes are a better team than the Foles-led Eagles.
 

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I'm all in on the Eagles this week. I continue to come back to the same reasons week in and week out this time of year.

Case Keenum in his career:

Indoors: 10-3, 17td's, 4 ints, 107.7 QBR
Outdoors: 8-11, 18tds, 16 ints, 77.2 QBR
Retractable: 3-6, 11td, 7ints, 78.2 QBR

In 2017:

Indoors: 8-1, 12tds, 2 ints, 105.1 QBR
Outdoors: 4-2, 10tds, 5 ints, 88.2 QBR

One might look at those numbers and try to place the discrepancy more on the fact he doesn't play well on the road, but that's not the case. Here are his career home/away splits:

Home: 11-9, 18tds, 15ints, 84.8 rating
Away: 10-11, 28tds, 12ints, 87.1 rating

Bottom line, it doesn't matter if his home field is indoors or outdoors, this boy just don't like to play in the sunlight. It's also another reason why I want absolutely nothing to do with the Vikings in the Super Bowl in that dome.

Keenum did a great job this year, after being given the starting job, and leading the Vikings to where they are. You know who else once did a great job after being given the reigns? Nick Foles. In 2013, once he was named a starter in week 6, he went on to go 8-2, with 28tds, 2 ints, and led the NFL with a 119 QBR.

Foles absolutely has the ability to go out this week and move the ball methodically, and lead the Eagles to 17-24 points, and I think the very underrated Eagles defense has the ability to hold Keenum and the Vikings offense to less than that.
 

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The thing i keep coming back to is the Eagles strength, a deep and dominant DL, matches up against the Vikings weakness, their patchwork OL. Everything else seems like a wash.
 

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I like the Eagles again today as well. They are one mad team. They basically pitched a shutout last week against Atlanta if not for the special teams turnovers. Keenum makes unforced errors at home against pedestrian defenses; on the road, in the cold, against a great D? I think he makes multiple errors, probably including one that goes back for points.
 

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I'm still picking the Minny Vikes, even on the road. If I'm an Eagles fan, I'm nervous about my offense. After carving up one of the worst defenses in the league in the Giants, this offense has been toothless, scoring only two offensive TDs in the past three games. Yeah, one of those one a meaningless game against Dallas where the starters didn't play much. But they had trouble scoring and moving the ball against Oakland and Atlanta, both with defenses far inferior to Minny. It feels like they'll need a couple short fields to score enough points to win. Which is totally possible with Case Keenum playing against that great Eagles defense.

I think both defenses are fantastic (a strong case can be made that both of these defenses are better than the Jags unit that everyone talks about) but I like the Vikings' offense more than Philly's. At the end of the day, this is still a passing league. I give Keenum the edge over Foles, just because we've seen him perform better for a longer period of time this season, and I think Thielen and Diggs are both difference makers. An Eagles win wouldn't surprise me. I just see more ways for Minny to pull it out.
 

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Everyone liking the Eagles here is really disconcerting to me, especially b/c I'm hanging today with a bunch of Eagles fans. I mentioned last week that Philly was a lock particularly because everyone figured Atlanta would just roll. That was a near universal thought.

Now it's going the other way. It's a problem.
 

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I'm all in on the Eagles this week. I continue to come back to the same reasons week in and week out this time of year.

Case Keenum in his career:

Indoors: 10-3, 17td's, 4 ints, 107.7 QBR
Outdoors: 8-11, 18tds, 16 ints, 77.2 QBR
Retractable: 3-6, 11td, 7ints, 78.2 QBR

In 2017:

Indoors: 8-1, 12tds, 2 ints, 105.1 QBR
Outdoors: 4-2, 10tds, 5 ints, 88.2 QBR

One might look at those numbers and try to place the discrepancy more on the fact he doesn't play well on the road, but that's not the case. Here are his career home/away splits:

Home: 11-9, 18tds, 15ints, 84.8 rating
Away: 10-11, 28tds, 12ints, 87.1 rating

Bottom line, it doesn't matter if his home field is indoors or outdoors, this boy just don't like to play in the sunlight. It's also another reason why I want absolutely nothing to do with the Vikings in the Super Bowl in that dome.

Keenum did a great job this year, after being given the starting job, and leading the Vikings to where they are. You know who else once did a great job after being given the reigns? Nick Foles. In 2013, once he was named a starter in week 6, he went on to go 8-2, with 28tds, 2 ints, and led the NFL with a 119 QBR.

Foles absolutely has the ability to go out this week and move the ball methodically, and lead the Eagles to 17-24 points, and I think the very underrated Eagles defense has the ability to hold Keenum and the Vikings offense to less than that.
The thing i keep coming back to is the Eagles strength, a deep and dominant DL, matches up against the Vikings weakness, their patchwork OL. Everything else seems like a wash.
I like the Eagles again today as well. They are one mad team. They basically pitched a shutout last week against Atlanta if not for the special teams turnovers. Keenum makes unforced errors at home against pedestrian defenses; on the road, in the cold, against a great D? I think he makes multiple errors, probably including one that goes back for points.
#FlyEaglesFly

Everyone liking the Eagles here is really disconcerting to me, especially b/c I'm hanging today with a bunch of Eagles fans. I mentioned last week that Philly was a lock particularly because everyone figured Atlanta would just roll. That was a near universal thought.

Now it's going the other way. It's a problem.
#reverselocknonsense
 

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I like the Eagles’ chances, but it might be a stretch to call it confidence. Mostly just having fun with it.

I honestly cannot remember a time when I didn’t have a healthy fan hatred for any of the teams remaining. (About the strongest emotion I can work up is “indifference” to the Jags.) It feels very weird.
 

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No clue what to expect for this game. But I’m much more interested in watching it suddenly.