Week 15 Game Thread
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Raiders another team that looked to be really on the move up and then fell back hard. Who knows what’s next for them.
I still can't get over the paper thing. How, after all these years, do you not have a mechanism for that measurement?
They’ve used paper for a long while. I’m not sure there’s a much better solution, maybe lasers?
When was the last time it was used? Don't think I've seen it before, and Michaels and Collinsworth sounded surprised as well (not that that's a great gauge for anything).
I can’t recall the exact games, but I have seen it three times in my life, I believe. Once might have been a small plastic card, the others were paper.
They call the NFL a game of inches. The field goal called wide that might not have been; the paper measurement; Carr fumbling out of bounds inches from the goal line. The inches were against the Raiders tonight.
DAVID Carr says what I was screaming at the time.
Anyone know if there is any NFL rules primary I am not aware of. If me, and older brother Carr are right, it was on Jack fucking Del Rio to know this as well.
??? As a Raiders fan, you should know why this rule exists -- the Raiders' dubious TD on the Holy Roller play.
Further details here.
Advancing the fumble means you fumble it forward and you or one of your teammates recovers it. Thanks to the rule change after the Holy Roller game, only the original fumbler can "gain yardage" via fumbling it forward and recovering it {in the last 2 minutes or on 4th down}. Since no one on the Raiders recovered the fumble that went through the end zone tonight, none of that rule mentioned by David Carr applies. Instead it is simply a touchback.
So why wasn't the ball ruled dead at the spot of the fumble? Does someone have to capture the ball live for the holy roller rule to be taken into account? There should be NO forward fumbles, even across the goal line, in the last two minutes.
The ball should have been dead at the 1/2 yard line. Of course, it is on Del Rio to know this and fight the refs for the proper interpretation of the rule.
The ball should have been dead at the 1/2 yard line. Of course, it is on Del Rio to know this and fight the refs for the proper interpretation of the rule.
Yes I think the touchback rule makes the two minute rule irrelevant in this case -it basically is its own rule - but it's not explicit from the rules digest:
The distinction between a fumble and a muff should be kept in mind in considering rules about fumbles. A fumble is the loss of player possession of the ball. A muff is the touching of a loose ball by a player in an unsuccessful attempt to obtain possession.
A fumble may be advanced by any player on either team regardless of whether recovered before or after ball hits the ground.
A fumble that goes forward and out of bounds will return to the fumbling team at the spot of the fumble unless the ball goes out of bounds in the opponent’s end zone. In this case, it is a touchback.
On a play from scrimmage, if an offensive player fumbles anywhere on the field during fourth down, only the fumbling player is permitted to recover and/or advance the ball. If any player fumbles after the two-minute warning in a half, only the fumbling player is permitted to recover and/or advance the ball. If recovered by any other offensive player, the ball is dead at the spot of the fumble unless it is recovered behind the spot of the fumble. In that case, the ball is dead at the spot of recovery. Any defensive player may recover and/or advance any fumble at any time.
A muffed hand-to-hand snap from center is treated as a fumble.
The distinction between a fumble and a muff should be kept in mind in considering rules about fumbles. A fumble is the loss of player possession of the ball. A muff is the touching of a loose ball by a player in an unsuccessful attempt to obtain possession.
A fumble may be advanced by any player on either team regardless of whether recovered before or after ball hits the ground.
A fumble that goes forward and out of bounds will return to the fumbling team at the spot of the fumble unless the ball goes out of bounds in the opponent’s end zone. In this case, it is a touchback.
On a play from scrimmage, if an offensive player fumbles anywhere on the field during fourth down, only the fumbling player is permitted to recover and/or advance the ball. If any player fumbles after the two-minute warning in a half, only the fumbling player is permitted to recover and/or advance the ball. If recovered by any other offensive player, the ball is dead at the spot of the fumble unless it is recovered behind the spot of the fumble. In that case, the ball is dead at the spot of recovery. Any defensive player may recover and/or advance any fumble at any time.
A muffed hand-to-hand snap from center is treated as a fumble.
It's only ruled dead at the spot of the fumble if the fumbling team recovers it after the ball goes forward.. The Raiders didn't recover it.
Personally, I would be happy if the fumbling team could never gain yardage from a fumble. If anyone on the fumbling team recovers the fumble, it gets placed back at the spot of the fumble. Just make that the rule for the whole game (as it is for balls that are fumbled out of bounds).
Personally, I would be happy if the fumbling team could never gain yardage from a fumble. If anyone on the fumbling team recovers the fumble, it gets placed back at the spot of the fumble. Just make that the rule for the whole game (as it is for balls that are fumbled out of bounds).
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OK, Thank you for the intelligent conversation. I am going to go light myself on fire now. Fuck.
Come the fuck on, he's 26. No 26 year old quarterback in history has resisted the urge to stretch for the end zone on a play like that.
Yes, this makes sense. Of course, this is The NFL where logic rarely applies.
Speaking of, a fumble out of the end zone resulting in a touchback makes little sense. If the ball goes out at, say, the 1, the fumbling team keeps possession at that spot, but if the ball goes 1 yard further it's a 20 yard difference and change of possession?
oh yeah, I forgot...
In case anyone was wondering, it is worse to watch your season end because your QB is injured.
Im going swimming in a woodchipper now.
In case anyone was wondering, it is worse to watch your season end because your QB is injured.
Im going swimming in a woodchipper now.
I'm not sure it was a first down, but there's no way that angle proves it given it's quite literally at an angle. If we were looking from the sideline with the chain perpendicular to the shot, we'd then be able to tell if the nose of the ball was ahead of the back of the sticks.
I kind of think that the touchback rule - which is very punitive for the offense - compensates for the advantage the offense gets by only having to break the goal-line with possession of the ball to score.
In any event, every player should know that they're taking a huge risk when they extend for the goal-line.
In any event, every player should know that they're taking a huge risk when they extend for the goal-line.
Yup. Just really bad situational football by Carr. Can’t kill your season with a mistake like that. Of course, Heath really deserves credit. He closed on him really well.
That shot isn't even remotely close to the correct angle to judge that. Look at the link going into the back side of the pole and it'll give you an idea of how far it is off the ideal angle.
Agreed. That angle is garbage and useless to try to discern if it was a first down.
The Falcons play tonight. "Mr. Falcon" died Wednesday. Peter King included a link to this story in his MMQB about the recruiting of Tommy Nobis
http://www.myajc.com/sports/the-first-falcon-tommy-nobis-was-epic-and-barely-made-atlanta/GTsnCfv64bKGBMtUJQX0QO/
http://www.myajc.com/sports/the-first-falcon-tommy-nobis-was-epic-and-barely-made-atlanta/GTsnCfv64bKGBMtUJQX0QO/
The NFL began spotting the ball at the nearest yard marker for reasons exactly like this. The ref just has to see if the ball is over the white chalk. In this case, the ref said that it clearly was.
I believe he's a repeat offender so 2 games should be minimum.
Of course, Bennett got away with a cheap shot last week but that was against a lineman and wasn't a head shot.
Not sure if this is the right thread, but just saw Alford make an almost play and it got me thinking.. Does anyone have the since deleted tweet of Alford's tweet that was a photo collage of his pick six in the super that was then corrected with crying Jordan's?
There was a whole thread on the topic but the goal line is special. Using your own language, if a runner goes out at say, the 1, the offense maintains possession, but if he goes 1 yard further it's 6 points?