Protecting the Shields -- The Nick Cafardo Thread

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About 2900 miles from LA to Boston.
About 2700 miles from LA to Miami.


Does Stanton really want to come to Boston, some 3,000 miles away from his Southern California home?
Stanton also purchased a massive penthouse overlooking Biscayne Bay in Miami for about $6 million. He likes Miami and really doesn’t have to go anywhere.
 

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This week is Nick's annual "the Yankees are the greatest team in baseball" column. There are plenty of NickNuggets to chew over; but my favorite was this one:

Things started to heat up last season when the Yankees caught the Red Sox using an electronic device to steal signs.
It was a digital watch. An "electronic device" was something that Tobey McGuire and Reese Witherspoon looked at through the window of the appliance store in Pleasantville.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2017/12/02/what-can-red-sox-this-offseason-counter-yankees-strengths/Y88rLcYxtpz0P5oqIlhXUK/story.html

For bonus facepalms, check out the Roenicke-Trout cutline. (Nick obviously doesn't write those, but it's so perfect that it sure seems like he could have written it.)
 

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Sunday it's Nick's Winter Meetings Preview. Chris Archer is being traded to 8 teams
 

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I don’t think there is any writer that I sigh more after a read in of their pieces.

Just a big long, I can’t believe that I continue to read this bullshit week after week after week, honestly, how does this guy have a job and what the hell is wrong with my life that I do this every Sunday, audible sigh.
 

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I don’t think there is any writer that I sigh more after a read in of their pieces.

Just a big long, I can’t believe that I continue to read this bullshit week after week after week, honestly, how does this guy have a job and what the hell is wrong with my life that I do this every Sunday, audible sigh.
You provide a valuable service to the rest of us who haven't the courage to click on Ol' Nicky's column and your pungent commentary on his nonsense is most entertaining.

Think of it as taking one for the team.
 

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Does he really think the Yanks are already planning on dealing Stanton to the Dodgers?
Yup. That’s what someone who knows things told them.

He also said that people who are bitching about Boras should grow up because he represents everyone and he’s great and smart and the coolest guy in the world.

He also is mad that the Red Sox won’t tell him about their dinner plans.

Cafardo also let Kapler go on about treating athletes like adults and not making them follow a ton of rules. Holding them accountable for stuff. Cafardo didn’t editorialize at the end of the quote, which means he doesn’t agree with it but he’s afraid of saying anything.
 

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He also tucked in a little blurb to help Lucchino with the AAA stadium thing, talking about how poor old Lucky won't be able to wait on Pawtucket much longer because of "the demands" that are growing, and will probably have no choice but to go with Worcester instead.

It reads like something written by Lucchino himself, and since this is Cafardo, I will just assume that it was. Lucky probably called up Cafardo and said "Put something in your column to turn up the heat on Rhode Island. We can't wait forever! Demands on us are growing! Rhode Island had better step up with a sweetheart deal soon, or Worcester will steal the team! Not MY fault, I can't wait forever! Because of the demands!"

So Nick writes: "Pawtucket Red Sox owner Larry Lucchino won’t wait forever for a stadium deal to come to fruition in Pawtucket. As the demands grow on the Lucchino group, the more likely it is that Worcester could sneak in and steal the team."

This one is classic Cafardo:
"It seems silly that neither Dave Dombrowski nor Boras could confirm that Martinez had dinner with the Red Sox. My goodness, what has happened to this game?"

My goodness! Who cares whether they ate a meal together or not, other than Cafardo who probably had a whole bunch of questions about which restaurant they went to and how the food was and whether he could expense a meal there or not.
WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THIS GAME?? In the good old days, teams would inform reporters about any meals they had with prospective free agents. Now they won't confirm! This is why baseball sucks now and no one cares about it anymore.
 

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Updates on nine
1. Manny Machado, 3B, Orioles — ... One major league source said, "The Red Sox like Manny."
2. Jay Bruce, OF, free agent — Toronto and San Francisco remain possible landing spots ...
3. Jason Kipnis, 2B/OF, Indians — ... The Mets could be a possible destination.
4. Mike Moustakas, 3B, free agent — Hard to see where the market for him is right now ...
5. Alex Avila, C, free agent — Avila should get some looks. ...
7. Dee Gordon, CF, Mariners — ... Would the Mariners flip him? That’s a possibility. ...
Anything could happen!
 

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Let's weaken our pitching when our greatest rival threat is a hitting laden team. And let's compound the issue by overpaying for a one year ballplayer. Seems like a sound strategy, Nick.

What the Sox should be doing is seeing if they can get the Pittsburgh pitcher (or someone else they think is good) versus relying on Wright, etc.
 

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Did he talk about how the Yankees might sign* JDM like he did on Sunday?

* On Sunday, the entire column was a list of 25 players that people have been talking about during the winter -- mostly it was free agents and players who might be available in trades. Basically, names that you've heard a million times these last two months, but who are still sitting around twiddling their thumbs. In the top eight or nine of these players (i.e.: the best players available -- Machado, JDM, etc.) Nick had six or seven of them possibly going to the Yankees.

Why? Who knows. Does it make sense for any or all of these players to put on pinstripes? Nope! Where will they play? Unknown, but I'm sure we can create new positions for these men. Like Machado could play thirdstop, JDM would happily slot in as center right fielder -- it's all about the interlocking N and Y, man. That's why kids play baseball. To be slotted into made up positions for the New York Yankees.

And here's a preview for 2019: Bryce Harper is going to play extra right field. That's a position where a person stands in row three of the right field grandstands and makes game-saving home run catches! Don't tell the Red Sox though! I'm sure they'll squawk to the Commissioner's Office on their iWatches or something! Cheaters.

Oh yeah, Harper is going to play for nickel a year! He loves the Yankees that much!
 

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In the top eight or nine of these players (i.e.: the best players available -- Machado, JDM, etc.) Nick had six or seven of them possibly going to the Yankees.

Why? Who knows. Does it make sense for any or all of these players to put on pinstripes? Nope! Where will they play? Unknown ...
1. Manny Machado. ... Yankees ... could package something to get this done
2. J.D. Martinez? ... Who else might get involved? ... the Yankees.
3. Jake Arrieta? ... The Yankees are in need of a starter.
6. third baseman Mike Moustakas ... Yankees ... potential destination
7. The Yankees are hot in pursuit of Pirates righthander Gerrit Cole. ...
8. Tampa Bay righthander Chris Archer ... Add the Yankees ... to the mix.
22. The Pirates have been gauging interest in All-Star [Josh] Harrison, who could be a fit for the Yankees ...

Also: "As Brad Ausmus, the former Tigers manager and now special adviser to the Angels, told me, he thinks Cabrera ..." Holy shit, an attributed comment!!
 

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Re #8. From what I saw of Sonny Gray last year, if the Yanks got Archer, the Sox should also give them ERod...the Yanks would then be playing 3:45 - 4:30 long ballgames most of the time and even Nick would get sick of them.
 

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Re #8. From what I saw of Sonny Gray last year, if the Yanks got Archer, the Sox should also give them ERod...the Yanks would then be playing 3:45 - 4:30 long ballgames most of the time and even Nick would get sick of them.
But not Tony Maz. He doesn't actually watch games any more, and just loves the pinstripes.
 

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So now Daniel Bard's appearances in "updates on 9" will consist of telling tales of him watching his kids play Little League? You just know Nick will keep putting him in there.
 

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So now Daniel Bard's appearances in "updates on 9" will consist of telling tales of him watching his kids play Little League? You just know Nick will keep putting him in there.
"Perhaps if Bard had taken advantage of the wealth of experience that Bobby Valentine offered, things would have turned out differently for both of them."
 

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So now Daniel Bard's appearances in "updates on 9" will consist of telling tales of him watching his kids play Little League? You just know Nick will keep putting him in there.
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"Perhaps if Bard had taken advantage of the wealth of experience that Bobby Valentine offered, things would have turned out differently for both of them."
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3. Nobody tried harder to revive his baseball career than Daniel Bard. He retired last week and will now complete his degree at the University of North Carolina. Bard was a terrific setup man for the Red Sox, but things fell apart for him when he tried to transition to starting in 2012. His manager at the time, Bobby Valentine, told management to keep Bard in the bullpen, but his opinion fell on deaf ears.
http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2018/01/06/what-red-sox-value-about-martinez/UDx2BqUhrQSz4bSQ84K4TM/story.html
 

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I can't find all the old Bard threads, but "things fell apart for him" starting at the end of 2011 while he was still in the bullpen, no?
 

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I can't find all the old Bard threads, but "things fell apart for him" starting at the end of 2011 while he was still in the bullpen, no?
yes, he was unhittable for most of the season and then imploded in September, 0-4 with a 10.64 era and 9 walks in 11 innings
 

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Yeah the whole turning Bard into a starter killed his career is just lazy, in other words right up Nick's alley.
 

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My favorite part of today's column was that he felt absolutely terrible, TERRIBLE, for Derek Jeter having to endure the slings and arrows of Marlins fans.

I mean, all he did was authorize the trades of Stanton, Dee Gordon and Marcell Ozuna for a few sacks of magic beans. Why would anyone be mad about that?

Here's the quote BTW:

It was tough to see the pushback Derek Jeter received at a Marlins Town Hall in Miami.
Why is it tough to see the pushback? Does Jeter have a plan that we don't know about? Other than the fact that Jeter is the dreamiest, why shouldn't fans be pissed about this? Especially since you think that Yelich and Realmuto are out the door too. Only to be replaced by Mike Napoli and Jose Batista. Oh yeah, I believe that the Marlins are raising ticket prices this year too.

Cafardo to Miamians: WHAT A TIME TO BE A MARLIN FAN!

Check out this quote:

So that brings us back to Martinez, who is 30 years old. His agent, Scott Boras, characterized a USA Today report about a five-year deal offered by the Red Sox as “inaccurate,” but wouldn’t elaborate. Does that mean the Red Sox offered beyond the five years? Does it mean they haven’t offered anything?
Cafardo is the Boston Globe's national baseball writer. He quite obviously has a pipeline to Scott Boras. What he wrote in this paragraph, again published in today's Boston Globe, is information that you or I or the guy down the street has. If newspapers are meant to convey information, what's the point? And I'm not cherry picking here and he answers these questions a bit later in the piece, because *spoiler alert* he doesn't.

The Red Sox hit .238 and had an OPS of less than .600 against pitches at 95-plus m.p.h.
He's talking about the Red Sox hitting against high-velocity pitches. This is a huge example of numbers outside of context. Okay, those numbers don't look great for Boston. But what were the rest of the American League East's numbers, how about the AL, how about the entirety of MLB. Sure, JDM hit well against that (he cites his numbers later) but was that an anomaly last year. He's entering his year-30 season, I would assume that those numbers drop off after a certain point. When?

The Yankees have four players — Gary Sanchez, Greg Bird, Aaron Judge, and Giancarlo Stanton — who could hit 30-60 home runs.
This might bite me in the ass, but Greg Bird has 60 home run potential? Abbey, is that true? Because that seems like a lot (even for Judge and Stanton, TBH).

Alex Cora and Aaron Boone, the rookie managers of the Red Sox and Yankees, both have Houston connections. Cora was bench coach of the reigning World Series champions, and Boone spent his final big league season with the Astros, going 0 for 13 in 2009.
Who fucking cares.

I’d find a way to sign free agent Jayson Werth to my team as an extra outfielder/DH.
Why?

I’m thinking MLB Network’s Mark DeRosa could be the next future manager plucked from the analyst chair. I always thought DeRosa would eventually manage, and now that experience isn’t necessary, why not him?
Here's a better question, Wilbur: why him?

People that the Yankees are going to get (update 1/7): Mike Moustakas (again) and Jed Lowrie. Slow week for the Bombers, I guess.
 

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If I hadn't read this week's column I would have thought e5yaz was commenting on last week's column!
 

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The flip side is the Red Sox will likely have to pay more for Martinez because they are earmarking him as a DH. Why would they pay more for a DH? Because the feeling from the Martinez side is that they would be devaluing him by making him a DH rather than a positional player, which would hurt his value after the contract is over and Martinez is back on the market in his mid-30s.
We could spend eons parsing the ridiculous nature of this alleged "logic." But the much bigger question is whether they are both naked when Scottie whispers such nonsense into Globe Santa's ear in the weeks before Christmas, and whether Scottie just leaves $100 bill on the dresser when they are done.
 

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The Yankees are the bestest because they have the greatest prospects ... Check
What? You don't believe that the New York Yankees have 15 legitimate major league pitching prospects in their system? FIFTEEN. Most teams would be happy with 15 total prospects, but Nick Cafardo is telling us that the Yankees have 15 prospects ready to pitch in the major leagues.

FIFTEEN!

Scouts are being fired ...Check (Bonus pts for the "awful trend" of scouting via video)
I'm not sure why this is a big deal, he put it under the headline of "Apropos of Nothing". "Let me tell you about all of these scouts getting fired. Guys, it's a huge fucking deal and it makes me so angry to see good people (and my sources, which has absolutely NOTHING to do with this rant) lose their job! Good men are losing their jobs, their livelihoods, their reasons for being due to technology and it's not fair! This is one of the worst things that has happened to Major League Baseball in some time! Untold amounts of institutional knowledge is being flushed down the drain for 0's and 1's and it make me sick! SICK! Oh? Where should I put this? Under the Apropos of Nothing headline. That should really drive my point across."

But the much bigger question is whether they are both naked when Scottie whispers such nonsense into Globe Santa's ear in the weeks before Christmas, and whether Scottie just leaves $100 bill on the dresser when they are done.
I do honestly wonder whether Cafardo gets paid by Boras. Like, I seriously wonder whether there is some sort of payola propaganda agreement between Wilbur and Scotty B. Because every week from November through February, Cafardo's column reads like a Boras Client Newsletter. "When will teams realize that Scott Boras is the Alpha and the Omega? The Beginning and the End? The Savior baseball needs to lead MLB out of the wilderness? If you're the Boston Red Sox you beg our Lord to grant you the whiff of an opportunity to sign JD Martinez to a ten-year $400 million contract. And furthermore, you play JD where he wants to played. Centerfield? Sorry, JBJ. Rightfield? Nice knowing you, Mookie. Second base? Rest your knee, Pedroia. Trust me, Scott Boras talks to me. He truly understands me and I get him. Unshackle your ego and follow Scott Boras."

And BTW, if the Sox do sign Martinez and give him a seven-year, $300M deal like Cafardo thinks that they should; Dombrowski should be tarred, feathered and traded for Ben Cherington. That's completely asinine. And deep down, Cafardo knows this.
 

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"Let me tell you about all of these scouts getting fired. Guys, it's a huge fucking deal and it makes me so angry to see good people (and my sources, which has absolutely NOTHING to do with this rant) lose their job! Good men are losing their jobs, their livelihoods, their reasons for being due to technology and it's not fair! This is one of the worst things that has happened to Major League Baseball in some time! Untold amounts of institutional knowledge is being flushed down the drain for 0's and 1's and it make me sick! SICK! Oh? Where should I put this? Under the Apropos of Nothing headline. That should really drive my point across."

Nice try. Like no one can tell that you just cribbed that from Colonel Jessup's rant in "Scouts Honor: A Few More Good Men," Nick's autobiography.
 

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Guys, GUYS.....Bob McClure got a job! And did I mention he was on Bobby V.'s staff? GUYS!
I loved this line from the article regarding McClure:

He's still considered a strong pitching coach.
I recall when his hiring was widely panned, a prediction that turned out to be quite prescient. Lester and Beckett had two of their worst seasons of their respective careers. Some links to refresh those with short memories:

http://boston.sportsthenandnow.com/2012/08/22/bob-mcclure-wasnt-just-a-scapegoat-for-the-red-sox/

http://www.espn.com/boston/mlb/story/_/id/8287661/bob-mcclure-bobby-valentine-just-last-together
 

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I sense from today's article that Boras is getting a bit desperate. Who exactly is bidding against the Red Sox for Martinez other than them?
 

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Analytics are bad. Except when Scott boras uses them.

Rhode island has a Senate and a legislature, each of which have to approve a pawsox stadium deal.

Inexperienced managers will always lack the experience of experienced managers.
 

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After reading this week's column, I think that Scott Boras is getting nervous. I may be projecting here, but the way Wilbur wrote this piece, I get the impression that Boras is some coked out conspiracy nut trying desperately to convince you that the government is behind his recent divorce. He unloads a lot in this column: "JDM can hit fastballs, I have the numbers to prove it! The owners are colluding against us all! Old players are good players*, seriously! Relievers! Relievers! Relievers! ARod! I don't give a shit, JDM will hold until next St. Swithin's Day for all I fucking care! Houston! New York! BOOGEY MEN ALL AROUND THE RED SOX! The fans will notice and they'll revolt! AND I SHALL LEAD THEM! Seriously dude, the owners just got a shit load of money from BAMTech/Disney, I'm not sure why they aren't spending it. Between you and me, that's a lot of bullshit."

* Boras has a lot of information saying that players do pretty well when they're 29, 30, 31-years-old and I think that we all know this. But he's not asking teams to sign players to three or four-year-deals. He's asking them for seven-to-ten-year deals. Which, unless my math is wrong, means that they won't be 29, 30 or 31-years-old at the end of their deals. And I think that those years are the ones that most GMs, owners and fans care about. Would I (or DD) take a three-year deal for JD Martinez right now? Fuck yeah. But Boras isn't offering that and I don't think that anyone wants to pay JD Martinez $25-30M when he's 37-years-old. It would be nice of Nick Cafardo to, you know, point out that fucking simple fact.

EDIT: Oh yeah, if you really want to know why JDM isn't signed, Joe Posnanski tweeted out a pic from MLB Network:
  • Chris Davis - seven years, $161M
  • Jason Heyward - eight years, $184M
  • Jacoby Ellsbury - seven years, $153M
  • Robinson Cano - ten years, $240M
  • Prince Fielder - nine years, $214M
  • Albert Pujols - ten years, $240M
That graphic explains it.

He reports on the Twins brining back Justin Morneau and Jim Kaat as special assistants like this is a new thing. Don't literally all of the clubs do this by now? Fuck, the Yankees and the Red Sox have more special assistants than they do players at this point. It's gotten so common place that we should probably take the qualifier "special" away from the assistant gig. There's nothing that special about 50-year-old dudes walking around yelling, "Nice cut, Jackie! Good job!" before picking up the clubs and playing 36.

He lauds Mike Rizzo signing Howie Kendrick to a deal because "he always comes up with good deals and free agent signings" and then says that the Sox should have signed Kendrick to fill in for Dustin Pedroia. A couple of things, Kendrick signed a two-year deal and Pedroia is supposed to be out, what, a few months at most (he started running yesterday). Where would you play Howie after Pedroia comes back? Especially if the Sox sign Nunez and keep Blake Swihart around? Also, do you really think Kendrick would turn down a guaranteed two-year deal from the Nats when the Red Sox probably didn't give him an offer of more than a year (assuming that the Sox made him an offer at all)? But, good signing Riz! And shitty non-signing DUMB-rowski!

Oh and that thing about Adrian Gonzalez realizing that "Bobby Valentine was right" is such a fucking garbage quote.

BTW, as bad Nick Cafardo is; Kevin Paul Dupont may be just as terrible. He wrote an entire piece today (FUCKING TODAY) on how the fans of Boston can now look back differently on the 1918 World Series Champion Boston Red Sox. The fuck? Okay. Thanks Dupes! I was still under the impression that the 1918ers were Red Sox Voldemort and could never be named. But since Kevin Paul Potter swooped in and with is magical pen vanquished the ill feelings of that 1918 squad, I guess we can go back to loving that team and giving a shit about them.

I mean, I get it, we're at 100th anniversary of the fourth to last time that the Red Sox won it all, but I don't think anyone has really had any animosity or fear or loathing of that team (more specifically the year) since 2004. Which, in case you don't have a calendar, was 14 years ago. And the worst part of this piece is the worst part of KPD -- his labyrinthian, meandering, doddering way of writing and trying to make a fucking point. It took him literally seven to eight paragraphs to begin what he was talking about. KISS, baby. KISS. And I'm not talking about Knights In Satan's Service.

It's fitting, I suppose, that the Globe is owned by John Henry because he has own Pablo Sandoval and Rusney Castillo just hanging around the sports department waiting to get paid for doing a shitty job.
 
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It's fitting, I suppose, that the Globe is owned by John Henry because he has own Pablo Sandoval and Rusney Castillo just hanging around the sports department waiting to get paid for doing a shitty job.
An apt comparison if Sandoval was still the starting 3B and Castillo was patrolling left field while Devers and Benintendi were still in Pawtucket or traded away. It's too bad there is no minor league Globe to stash Dupont with, or a way to DFA Cafardo. I mean, who cares if Henry's still paying them if we don't have to read them, right?
 

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An apt comparison if Sandoval was still the starting 3B and Castillo was patrolling left field while Devers and Benintendi were still in Pawtucket or traded away. It's too bad there is no minor league Globe to stash Dupont with, or a way to DFA Cafardo. I mean, who cares if Henry's still paying them if we don't have to read them, right?
This is a great idea. New title: Nick Cafaro, Special Consultant to Bobby Valentine.
 

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BTW, as bad Nick Cafardo is; Kevin Paul Dupont may be just as terrible. He wrote an entire piece today (FUCKING TODAY) on how the fans of Boston can now look back differently on the 1918 World Series Champion Boston Red Sox. The fuck? Okay.
Wow. That was truly a pile of cold shit. "On Second Thought"? What was his first thought? ...

And there are 10 comments, all of them offering variations of "You nailed it, Kevin!!!" ... My favorite: "Perspective like this always valuable, always welcome, Kevin." What perspective? He got a book down from the shelf that gave a short summary of the 1918 season and rewrote it somewhat.

He also mentions that Red Sox fans "grew to embrace, even enjoy the losing". It's like all he has ever read is CHB. But it was good of him to remind us that there was no TV back in 1918.
 

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Nick spills two bottles of ink writing about how unfair it is for free agents not to be signed. Teams have more money, the pitch clock is a smokescreen, this is bullshit, etc.

Then he writes this about a half page later:

The Giants and Yankees are at a point where they have to move money in order to add to their rosters.
Does he not see that there's a very large cause and effect at work here? Like if the Red Sox dump $250M into JDM, in three years they could be the ones "where they have to move money in order to add to their roster"? I mean, he has to get this right?

I'm a guy who wants the players to get every dollar that they can, I don't care if John Henry loses money, and I've been really frustrated at the lack of movement during this offseason but at the same time teams can't just keep throwing around contracts worth hundreds of millions of dollars for players that aren't worth it. For the last 20 or more years, we've seen club after club after club regret a shitty signing that allowed them to "win the offseason".

Does Scott Boras and Rich Hill have a point? Yes, they do. I mean, there are some players that should signed but it's not all black and white. Boras' initial proclamation that JDM is a ten-year, $300M player is fucking crazy. And we all knew it was back when he said it in October. At the same time, he probably should be signed by now. There's a middle-ground, but Cafardo is too lazy to fucking find it. He'd rather turn on his tape recorder, ask a leading question and then transcribe whatever his interview has to say.

And that sucks.
 

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He'd rather turn on his tape recorder, ask a leading question and then transcribe whatever his interview has to say.

And that sucks.
Nick is usually the first one to rail about pitchers getting big money and making only 25 starts or throwing only 135 innings.
But if Milton's Rich Hill wants to be transcribed, Nick is ready.
 

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I think Nick lives near there- sure that it's a shout out to someone he owes a favor to.

Having the team move to Weymouth would mean that (a) shutting off your existing customers completely and (b) gambling that the South Shore has enough of a population and interest to support the team.

Traffic is too formidable to attract visitors outside that area. Route 3 was obsolete 50 years ago.

Also, their concept of an urban district attracting people for a night out including a ballgame doesn't fly at the Air Station....There you would end up with more of the "Patriot Place" model....nothing there except a mall of some type and the ballpark.
 
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