Are The Yankees Really This Good?

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sean1562 said:
This Yankees team is a solid team, but I do expect(hope!) a bit of regression for some of these guys that will help the Sox out next year. Their pitching outside of Severino is a question mark. They will def be in contention, right along with us, over the next few years, but there are other teams in the league assembling pretty stacked rosters as well. The duo of Bregman-Correa is one of the best assemblages of young talent in the league. Crazy to think Correa is only going to be 23 next year.

I think the Sox can compete with the best in the AL, it will just take a bounce back season from Price, a full year of a healthy Carson Smith, and the continued development of Benintendi and Devers. There is a chance that all of Betts, Benintendi, and Devers hit 30+ HRs next year. If we add JD Martinez, that is a pretty potent lineup
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The bolded is very important. There are four relatively young, extremely talented teams in the AL in NY, BOS, CLE and HOU, each with their own strengths and weaknesses. I think any of these teams for the next couple of years are easy World Series contenders, but that means some of these teams are going to go down in the ALDS, and some may lose in the Wild Card game. As the ALCS showed, getting homefield advantage will be all the more important moving forward.

The rest of the league has to be shaking in the boots, aside from the White Sox who very well may be coming the next "super team", to steal a word from Fangraphs, to join them all in a few years.
 
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Wingack said:
And I informed you that Judge actually did hit some good pitchers this past series.
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You inexplicably said "I genuinely don't know what you are talking about here. Napoli isn't even on the Red Sox."

So I politely pointed out to you that Napoli is just one example disproving your belief that "everyone struggles against quality pitchers when they are on". The fact he is no longer on the Red Sox is totally irrelevant. The fact he did it against Verlander when Verlander was pitching like he is now is highly relevant.

Napoli got the job done when it counted most, Judge did not.

Napoli helped his team get to the World Series, against Scherzer & Verlander no less. Judge did not.

Where did I write the loss was strictly because of Judge? You're jumping to conclusions.

Seems like you're taking the loss hard, for whatever reason. You shouldn't. The Astros were the better team, and the Yankees got a lot farther this year than most anybody thought they would. Pitchers & Catchers in less than 4 months, it will be here before you know it.
 
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That is *not* how people use the phrase "off the field issues." It sounded like you were suggesting he was in trouble with the law or something.
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I have no clue how you extrapolated "in trouble with the law" from "off the field issues".

Besides injury, "off the field issues" could refer to a number of things: Divorce, death in the family, financial problems, drinking problem, etc.

And perhaps you missed it, but I already acknowledged the term I used was vague. And so was what Tito and Kluber said. Nobody came out and said Kluber has a back injury. The only definitive acknowledgment made was Tito stating "He's fighting a lot" which is just as vague as anything else that was side by him, Kluber and I.
 
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E5 Yaz said:
He was being vague. I'm guessing he meant in 2013
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Honestly didn't think I'd have to spell out "2013 ALCS" after mentioning Napoli vs Verlander, top of the 7th, Game 3.

I'll be sure to add "1975 World Series" if I ever happen to mention Pudge's gamewinning homer off the foul pole.

:rolleyes:
 
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As an outside observer, I think it might be a good time for you to back away from the keyboard for a bit.
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I'm trying to have a friendly conversation focused on baseball, and I'm getting criticized for (among other things):

1) Stating the Astros are a better team than the Yankees
2) Stating Judge underperformed in the postseason
3) Not specifying the Napoli vs Verlander Game 3 homerun was in the 2013 ALCS
4) Not using the term "off the field issues" to someone's liking

And I'm the one who needs to step away?

What are you saying, that newby lurkers like me should just shut up and take it like a man?
 
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jon abbey said:
Um, this conveniently leaves out the four games (out of only 13) where he had 3 HRs and two doubles. You must really be down on Jose Ramirez, another MVP candidate.

Judge led all of MLB in fWAR as a rookie, you can poke holes in that all you like (and there are some legit ones) but mostly it’s wishful thinking, sorry.
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Safe to say you disagree with me that Judge underperformed in the postseason?

If he stays healthy throughout 2018, what kind of numbers do you think he'll put up including K's?
 
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Kielty's Last Pitch said:
I'm trying to have a friendly conversation focused on baseball, and I'm getting criticized for (among other things):

1) Stating the Astros are a better team than the Yankees
2) Stating Judge underperformed in the postseason
3) Not specifying the Napoli vs Verlander Game 3 homerun was in the 2013 ALCS
4) Not using the term "off the field issues" to someone's liking

And I'm the one who needs to step away?

What are you saying, that newby lurkers like me should just shut up and take it like a man?
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Your posts are more troll-like than informative and you're arguing with anyone who comes in your path. It's like you're on a personal mission to prove that Aaron Judge isn't as good as people say because of this exclusive knowledge you obtained while watching him struggle in a 5 game series and then 3 other games which nobody else on the team hit. Then your proof of what a good hitter does is a single cherry-picked at-bat. So yea, take a break. You sound silly.
 
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Your posts are more troll-like than informative and you're arguing with anyone who comes in your path. It's like you're on a personal mission to prove that Aaron Judge isn't as good as people say because of this exclusive knowledge you obtained while watching him struggle in a 5 game series and then 3 other games which nobody else on the team hit. Then your proof of what a good hitter does is a single cherry-picked at-bat. So yea, take a break. You sound stupid.
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Just curious, why the Girardi avatar? Are you a Yankee fan? (not that there's anything wrong with it)

I provided one example, which is all that's needed. What do you want me to do, spend an hour providing 30 more examples so it can be brushed off by someone who refuses to acknowledge they were wrong?

It's a messageboard. Meant to express opinions. Some of which might not agree with yours. You want to ignore all of Judge's strikeouts and his postseason performance, that's your prerogative. And it's my prerogative to not ignore them.

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He's a Yankee fan. (ED: but I suspect you've known that for awhile)

Any Red Sox fan who watched the postseason and was't additionally terrified by Aaron Judge wasn't paying attention. He continues to hit the ball harder (112.1 mph last night) than anyone else, And an OPS > 1.000 in the ALCS is never underperforming.
 
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Kielty's Last Pitch said:
That's what I meant by off the field issues, an injury as opposed to mechanics etc. I admit my initial response was vague, my apologies.
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Off the field issues usually refers to domestic abuse, drugs etc.. A back issue is not off the field..No wonder everyone has you on ignore.
 
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He's a Yankee fan. (ED: but I suspect you've known that for awhile)
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Yeah, I figured. Didn't want to assume though, in case it was just a joke-type avatar thing.

A Red Sox fan getting shouted down and insulted by Yankee fans on a Red Sox forum, just for saying Judge underperformed and for saying the Astros & Tribe are the best two teams in the AL.

Explains a lot about what's happened over the past few years.

Sad.
 
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Among qualified MLB hitters, judge ranked in 2017:

4th in K% (30.7)
2nd in BB% (18.9)
2nd in ISO (0.343)
3rd in OBP (0.422)
46th in AVG (0.287 -- this is not great given his 0.357 BABIP)
8th in BABIP (0.357) but...

2nd in hard% as measured by FG (45.3% of balls hit are hard).
4th lowest soft% (11.2% of balls are hit softly)
1st in HR/FB% (35.6)
21st lowest GB% (34.9)
34th lowest pop-up/FB rate (6.2)
40th highest LD% (21.9)

and in terms of tendencies:
17th lowest overall swing rate (41.1)
4th worst contact rate (67.6)
22nd highest swinging strike rate (13.3)


As noted by many, he strikes out a ton, has trouble making contact, hits everything hard, and doesn't pop-up. So he's a walking tower of unsustainability. Literally nothing about his line (both good and bad) looks remotely sustainable, because he's so unconventional as a hitter. I'm not sure how to project him, so his career line remains a reasonable strawman, one would need some hard evidence (e.g. a breakdown via pitchFX, for example) to establish that he's an .800 OPS hitter (he was .816 in the playoffs, I think).
 
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Kielty's Last Pitch said:
I'm trying to have a friendly conversation focused on baseball, and I'm getting criticized for (among other things):

1) Stating the Astros are a better team than the Yankees
2) Stating Judge underperformed in the postseason
3) Not specifying the Napoli vs Verlander Game 3 homerun was in the 2013 ALCS
4) Not using the term "off the field issues" to someone's liking

And I'm the one who needs to step away?

What are you saying, that newby lurkers like me should just shut up and take it like a man?
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As someone who has no dog in this fight - and admittedly is kind of enjoying your self immolation - I'll pass along some advice we like to give to new users if they intend to stick around.

First, if you've repeatedly made a point and have no one joining in to support you, you probably should reconsider it. At the very least, let it die.

Second, if your defense of said point needs to repeatedly be eight paragraphs where you get pedantic and harp on specific words, you're falling on deaf ears. Reconsider your approach.

Third - and this might be most important - don't post defensively. There's forums for that mindset here, the main board is not it. We all have moments that we post stupid shit, wrong shit, offensive shit, all that. Just quietly let it die or mea culpa.

Those apply to newbie lurkers or the members that have been here since day one. Sox fans, Yankees fans, everyone. We are a very large and diverse group, but if you learn how to navigate, the board is an extremely valuable resource for many different facets of life, far beyond talking about baseball.

Advice worth exactly my $.02, but there ya go man. Have fun.
 
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Papelbon's Poutine said:
I'll pass along some advice we like to give to new users if they intend to stick around.

First, if you've repeatedly made a point and have no one joining in to support you, you probably should reconsider it. At the very least, let it die.

Second, if your defense of said point needs to repeatedly be eight paragraphs where you get pedantic and harp on specific words, you're falling on deaf ears. Reconsider your approach.

Third - and this might be most important - don't post defensively. There's forums for that mindset here, the main board is not it. We all have moments that we post stupid shit, wrong shit, offensive shit, all that. Just quietly let it die or mea culpa.

Those apply to newbie lurkers or the members that have been here since day one. Sox fans, Yankees fans, everyone. We are a very large and diverse group, but if you learn how to navigate, the board is an extremely valuable resource for many different facets of life, far beyond talking about baseball.

Advice worth exactly my $.02, but there ya go man. Have fun.
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This post should be pinned to every forum here. Well done.
 
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Well I guess Aaron Judge will suck unless pitchers make mistakes. Sort of like the entire 1999 Cleveland Indians lineup,
 
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Kielty's Last Pitch said:
I'm trying to have a friendly conversation focused on baseball, and I'm getting criticized for (among other things):

1) Stating the Astros are a better team than the Yankees
2) Stating Judge underperformed in the postseason
3) Not specifying the Napoli vs Verlander Game 3 homerun was in the 2013 ALCS
4) Not using the term "off the field issues" to someone's liking

And I'm the one who needs to step away?

What are you saying, that newby lurkers like me should just shut up and take it like a man?
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You're not trying to have a friendly conversation, though. The problem is how you post. In your brief time here, I have seen you all over the board acting like the smartest guy in the room. That's not how things work here. There are plenty of smart people already. It's a lesson I had to learn as well.

I will commend you for the Giselle avatar, however.
 
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Papelbon's Poutine said:
As someone who has no dog in this fight - and admittedly is kind of enjoying your self immolation - I'll pass along some advice we like to give to new users if they intend to stick around.

First, if you've repeatedly made a point and have no one joining in to support you, you probably should reconsider it. At the very least, let it die.

Second, if your defense of said point needs to repeatedly be eight paragraphs where you get pedantic and harp on specific words, you're falling on deaf ears. Reconsider your approach.

Third - and this might be most important - don't post defensively. There's forums for that mindset here, the main board is not it. We all have moments that we post stupid shit, wrong shit, offensive shit, all that. Just quietly let it die or mea culpa.

Those apply to newbie lurkers or the members that have been here since day one. Sox fans, Yankees fans, everyone. We are a very large and diverse group, but if you learn how to navigate, the board is an extremely valuable resource for many different facets of life, far beyond talking about baseball.

Advice worth exactly my $.02, but there ya go man. Have fun.
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Dude,

Who is self immolating? A few people have gotten frustrated because they didn't like what I wrote and couldn't prove me wrong, so they resorted to personal attacks and dramatic departures from conversing with me. I have done neither. Maybe I joined at a bad time for the Yankee fans who are still stinging from their postseason collapse, but that's not my problem. I've kept it civil and kept the conversation where it should be, on baseball. I've done my part. They can always ignore my messages, nobody is forcing them to read what I write.

First, name something where nobody has agreed with me. Are you saying everyone thinks the Yankees are better than Houston & Cleveland? Are you saying everyone thinks Judge was great in the postseason?

Second, not to worry as I'm not going to bother "defending" my point anymore. When the people I'm conversing with don't even get basic Sox references such as Verlander/Napoli Game 3, then it's not worth my time (and now I realize them being Yankee fans has a lot to do with them not getting the references). I'll make my points, and when somebody asks me to explain myself or provide evidence I won't bother.

Third, you're preaching to the choir about not being defensive. Look upthread, and you'll see I apologized for being vague about Kluber. Didn't do a damn bit of good for one person though, who still wanted to lecture me about using a term that's more to their liking.

It's all good though.

Funny, back in the days of Gimbel and Duquette they were trying to make a point of how analytics can help build a winning baseball team. Nobody joined in supporting them, and nearly all of the media mocked them. Good thing not everybody in the baseball community gave up on it as you recommend. Being right has never been a "majority rules" sort of thing, thank God.

Want me to crawl back to the Sandbox now?
 
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You're not trying to have a friendly conversation, though. The problem is how you post. In your brief time here, I have seen you all over the board acting like the smartest guy in the room. That's not how things work here. There are plenty of smart people already. It's a lesson I had to learn as well. I will commend you for the Giselle avatar, however.
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Are you confusing me with the guy who mocked me for saying the Astros are a better team than the Yankees, and that I should "watch and observe" the games like him because that's why he "changed his opinion" midseries and decided the Yankees would win AFTER Game 5?

Glass houses, man (not you personally, others here).

Were you here 15 years ago? If not, do you realize what it was like back then compared to what it is now? Better yet, any idea HOW it got from that to this?

I'll tell you what, jumping all over newbies and expecting them to STFU whenever they disagree with you and getting pissed when they prove you wrong and insulting them personally does NOT reflect well on the community.

Somehow I missed the "No more knowledgeable people allowed, we have our quota already" sign. :rolleyes:

Thanks on the avatar compliment. :)
 
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Kielty's Last Pitch said:
Were you here 15 years ago? If not, do you realize what it was like back then compared to what it is now? Better yet, any idea HOW it got from that to this?

I'll tell you what, jumping all over newbies and expecting them to STFU whenever they disagree with you and getting pissed when they prove you wrong and insulting them personally does NOT reflect well on the community.
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Seems to me that someone who knows what it was like here 15 years ago isn't a "newbie"
 
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I've been a diehard Sox fan since the '70s, it would be impossible to not know what it was like here 15 years ago. Never had time to post back then, so yeah I'm a newbie. Came back hoping things had changed.
 
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Kielty's Last Pitch said:
Dude,

Who is self immolating? A few people have gotten frustrated because they didn't like what I wrote and couldn't prove me wrong, so they resorted to personal attacks and dramatic departures from conversing with me. I have done neither. Maybe I joined at a bad time for the Yankee fans who are still stinging from their postseason collapse, but that's not my problem. I've kept it civil and kept the conversation where it should be, on baseball. I've done my part. They can always ignore my messages, nobody is forcing them to read what I write.

First, name something where nobody has agreed with me. Are you saying everyone thinks the Yankees are better than Houston & Cleveland? Are you saying everyone thinks Judge was great in the postseason?

Second, not to worry as I'm not going to bother "defending" my point anymore. When the people I'm conversing with don't even get basic Sox references such as Verlander/Napoli Game 3, then it's not worth my time (and now I realize them being Yankee fans has a lot to do with them not getting the references). I'll make my points, and when somebody asks me to explain myself or provide evidence I won't bother.

Third, you're preaching to the choir about not being defensive. Look upthread, and you'll see I apologized for being vague about Kluber. Didn't do a damn bit of good for one person though, who still wanted to lecture me about using a term that's more to their liking.

It's all good though.

Funny, back in the days of Gimbel and Duquette they were trying to make a point of how analytics can help build a winning baseball team. Nobody joined in supporting them, and nearly all of the media mocked them. Good thing not everybody in the baseball community gave up on it as you recommend. Being right has never been a "majority rules" sort of thing, thank God.

Want me to crawl back to the Sandbox now?
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Solid work. Best of luck man.
 
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Watched a lot of Yankees games this year except for the last month and post season (ditto for Red Sox) due to personal shit.

I'd say they possibly have 5 perennial All Stars among the kids in Sanchez, Judge , Bird, Severino and Betances. They may well have another 3 coming in Andujar, Clint Frazier and Torres. Didi is a pretty good player in his own right.

They wont be spending like they did but have a boat load of money coming off the books , and how they spend to fill out the rest of the roster will determine how good they will be. The fiscal restraint Hal will mandate may impose limits on how many of their future stars they can extend , unlike in the George Steinbrenner era (latter years)

So I would say their 4 year stretch of mediocrity is over with. Not ready to say they are a dynasty in the making but they will be tough in coming years. Pray they dont land Otani who might be drawn to the Big Apple for the endorsements.
 
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I'm looking forward to Kielty coming back, guns blazing. Dude's on fire.

Anyway, sorta related to the question at hand: Yesterday marked the first time in my life that I felt, for a brief moment, a twinge of sadness about Yankee Elimination Day. The feeling didn't last long, but it was of regret-- that another part of the baseball season is over-- the part where I can root with intensity for the Red Sox, or any team playing the Yankees.
I'm still looking forward to watching this World Series. The Dodgers have become likeable to me. I've always loved watching Kershaw, Turner looks hilarious, and Dave Roberts at the helm doesn't hurt. Meanwhile the Astros are also fun. With Altuve they have the current greatest baseball player on earth (though it was pointed out in a game thread that Pedro and Willie Mays are still alive). They also have Kate Upton in the stands. Hard to root against that, but I guess I'm pulling for the Dodgers.

In short: it should be fun and as long as the series goes 6 or 7 games, I don't care much who wins. But it would have been extra fun to see a Yankees/Dodgers World Series, with the call back to those series of the past... and to root for a complete annihilation of the MFY at the hands of the Dodgers. With the risk of course, that the Yankees wouldn't lose, which reminds me that YED is truly one of the best days of the year.


I should add some content to the question at hand.
Maybe the Yankees are this good? Seems like it snuck up on us. I don't follow close enough to know what's going with young talent in their system. Do they have starting pitchers making their way toward the majors? That seems like one potential area of weakness they'll have to address.
 
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I guess the answer to the thread title question is: Yes, the 2017 Yankees really are this good (good enough to go to game 7 of the ALCS).

Their run differential this year was 2nd in all of MLB, behind only Cleveland. They had the 3rd best Pythag record in all of baseball (behind Cle and LAD). They underperformed their Pythag by 9 games, but clearly - CLEARLY - they had the ability to be as good as anyone.

The key question, now that they're eliminated, is how good can the Yankees be in 2018? Maybe that should really be another thread, but there are lots of good reasons to suspect that they're going to be pretty formidable, at least on paper.
 
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Maybe the Yankees are this good? Seems like it snuck up on us. I don't follow close enough to know what's going with young talent in their system. Do they have starting pitchers making their way toward the majors? That seems like one potential area of weakness they'll have to address.
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The Yankees have three pitching prospects that you will likely see on top 100 prospects lists this offseason, and then depth beyond that including a few very high ceiling arms. But agree this is the softer side of their system, though it is probably true across the board for all MLB organizations that how pitching prospects are going to preform in the majors is always a huge question mark.

This was a posted the other day but this is a good little teaser of what the Yankees have on the way:

http://nypost.com/2017/10/19/yankees-have-barely-scratched-the-surface-of-what-they-can-be/
 
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I think you have to consider the Yankees at minimum a slight favorite to win the AL East going forward, and maybe the runaway favorites. That said, injuries and year-to-year performance variations do happen and could favor Boston or other teams in any given season. We had a front-row seat this season to how a young player who had experienced rapid success and looked to be a perennial MVP candidate one year ago can inexplicably fall off. Similarly, Red Sox fans have been riding the EdRo roller coaster and know all too well how difficult it is to develop young pitching (I'd be at least a little wary of Severino's jump in innings pitched this season).

Cashman and the Brothers Steinbrenner will also be dealing with significantly heightened expectations from the fanbase and the media - many will expect the Yankees at minimum to make the World Series next year.
 
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(and what JimD posted above. Predictions are all well and good, but Joaquin Andujar was right. Youneverknow).
 
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I think you have to consider the Yankees at minimum a slight favorite to win the AL East going forward, and maybe the runaway favorites. That said, injuries and year-to-year performance variations do happen and could favor Boston or other teams in any given season. We had a front-row seat this season to how a young player who had experienced rapid success and looked to be a perennial MVP candidate one year ago can inexplicably fall off. Similarly, Red Sox fans have been riding the EdRo roller coaster and know all too well how difficult it is to develop young pitching (I'd be at least a little wary of Severino's jump in innings pitched this season).

Cashman and the Brothers Steinbrenner will also be dealing with significantly heightened expectations from the fanbase and the media - many will expect the Yankees at minimum to make the World Series next year.
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I agree with all of this, and wouldn't be too surprised if NY slipped a bit next year. The plan was always to be up to full speed in 2019, 2017 and 2018 were about putting as many young quality pieces in place as possible and then see what holes remain to be filled when the big name FAs hit the market after 2018.
 
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I was surprised by how many of the past 75 posts were of the "Ha Ha, they didn't win the ALCS" variety. The posts talking about the 90s Braves and 95-2000 Indians as failures likewise misplaced in my opinion.

With 4 rounds of playoffs, to me, it's the Division title that matters most. It gets you a bye in round 1, which improves your odds of winning by about 50 percent over making just the wild card.

So, To me, the point is how much of a chance they have to win the Division for the next decade or so. And that number is really high. The Sox, if Price can pitch like a 30 million player,have a punchers chance for the next 2 years. After that, because of the gaping difference in farm systems, the Sox will be full out rebuilding and the Yankees will be still improving.
 
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Or, ya know, everything doesn't work out perfectly for them, players regress or get traded or get injured or prospects don't pan out etc etc. It's fucking asinine to just mentally gift them the division for the next decade and waive the white flag like the Sox have no shot beyond a "punchers chance" for the next two seasons and then it's over. Lots of things can happen.
 
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Or, ya know, everything doesn't work out perfectly for them, players regress or get traded or get injured or prospects don't pan out etc etc. It's fucking asinine to just mentally gift them the division for the next decade and waive the white flag like the Sox have no shot beyond a "punchers chance" for the next two seasons and then it's over. Lots of things can happen.
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This. I have been reading this thread with increasing frustration -- especially after the ALCS ended. The whole point of the thread was to reverse jinx the Yankees so they would lose. Now that they have, and everyone has agreed "Eek! The Yankees are really fricking good" (edit: with the exception of Paps as quoted, and BMHH who created the thread and answered his own question in the negative several times), is there really anything left to add or can the mods lock the thread already?
 
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I agree they’re really good and I’m kinda bummed it came so quick, but I’m not so sure they’re as insurmountable as many are suggesting. As I noted earlier, the Cubs looked like a dynasty around this time last year, with similar attributes of having great young players, lots of payroll and a solid farm system. Today they don’t look so dominant after a season of regression, some injuries and some trades.

And there’s plenty of people here that know well enough that teams on paper very rarely work out that way. That promising farm systems don’t always pan out. And that players get injured or sometimes everything clicks at the same time or bad acquisitions are made or a thousand other variables. Yet they’re posting like it’s a foregone conclusion that the Yankee Dynasty[emoji769][emoji767] is back and woe be us, how can we ever compete?

We have more than enough talent to win the division if players are healthy and play to their norms. Virtually every positional player regressed this year. We had less than half a season of Price and ERod. And yet we won the division over the suggested looking juggernaut. Meanwhile everything broke perfectly for the Yankees. Just it did for us in 2013. It doesn’t mean it’s time to rebuild and concede the next decade. And frankly if they hadn’t beaten the Indians or we had beaten the Astros I don’t think this thread ever gets started (head nod to OP knowing it was split out from elsewhere). There’s a whole lot of chicken Little’s and trolls setting up camp here.
 
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streeter88 said:
This. I have been reading this thread with increasing frustration -- especially after the ALCS ended. The whole point of the thread was to reverse jinx the Yankees so they would lose. Now that they have, and everyone has agreed "Eek! The Yankees are really fricking good" (edit: with the exception of Paps as quoted, and BMHH who created the thread and answered his own question in the negative several times), is there really anything left to add or can the mods lock the thread already?
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Why is this thread in the Red Sox forum? Just move it to the Yankee forum where it should be.
 
EvilEmpire

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Papelbon's Poutine said:
Lots of things can happen.
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Yeah. Like this season. Sanchez and Didi missed a month each. Bird missed most of the season. Some pitching injuries thrown in too. Injuries happen every year, but this one was particularly bad for the Yankees. I think they would have won the division with a little more injury luck. Stuff happens.
 
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bosox79 said:
People act like it takes 10 years to rebuild a farm system too.
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It doesn’t, but what they have right now is cost-controlled starters, a lot of payroll room and a great farm system. It’s pretty rare to have all three at the same time. Even when our farm system was great, we didn’t have a great major league team. Now that we have a good team, our farm system is pretty barren and we have no payroll space.
 
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Papelbon's Poutine said:
I agree they’re really good and I’m kinda bummed it came so quick, but I’m not so sure they’re as insurmountable as many are suggesting. As I noted earlier, the Cubs looked like a dynasty around this time last year, with similar attributes of having great young players, lots of payroll and a solid farm system. Today they don’t look so dominant after a season of regression, some injuries and some trades.

And there’s plenty of people here that know well enough that teams on paper very rarely work out that way. That promising farm systems don’t always pan out. And that players get injured or sometimes everything clicks at the same time or bad acquisitions are made or a thousand other variables. Yet they’re posting like it’s a foregone conclusion that the Yankee Dynasty[emoji769][emoji767] is back and woe be us, how can we ever compete?

We have more than enough talent to win the division if players are healthy and play to their norms. Virtually every positional player regressed this year. We had less than half a season of Price and ERod. And yet we won the division over the suggested looking juggernaut. Meanwhile everything broke perfectly for the Yankees. Just it did for us in 2013. It doesn’t mean it’s time to rebuild and concede the next decade. And frankly if they hadn’t beaten the Indians or we had beaten the Astros I don’t think this thread ever gets started (head nod to OP knowing it was split out from elsewhere). There’s a whole lot of chicken Little’s and trolls setting up camp here.
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No it didn't, they massively underplayed their Pythag due in large part to poor "clutch hitting" and a midseason bullpen collapse. The Red Sox aren't going 15-3 in extra innings next year, if we want to talk about things breaking perfectly it starts there. Yankees will rightfully be the favorites to win the division next year.
Unfortunately both Chicago teams helped them immensely over the last couple years, though at least the White Sox returned the favor to us.

One does have to wonder when teams will smarten up when it comes to trading with Cashman, been a long time since he lost a trade.
 
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EvilEmpire said:
Injuries happen every year, but this one was particularly bad for the Yankees.
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This isn't a narrative anyone is going to buy when CC and Tanaka were healthy all year, regardless of it's potential objective truth.
 
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