NLCS: Cubs vs. Dodgers
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This Dodgers lineup really falls off after Puig. They don’t have the bats to bang with an AL team.
What do you mean misses like that? He turned his mitt (and used his throwing hand) expecting a ball in the dirt, and it was. It's not that easy to catch a shorthop cleanly.
Announcers piss me off on ump issues. That worked exactly like you want it to on a nonreviewable call. This bullshit about which ump gets to call it sucks.
HPU admitted he wasn't sure and asked for help. That's step 1. If he doesn't do that, 3B holds his tongue and does nothing. But he asked for help. Step 2 is whether anyone else has more information. 3B said that he did. Step 3 is crew chief asks if anyone else wants to weigh in. That's the fucking procedure and that's what we want, as every Red Sox fan knows.
Also, as Darling just noted, we don't know why HPU asked. He may well have had it as a tip but thought it was caught but needed help on whether it hit the ground, which is a 3BU call.
HPU admitted he wasn't sure and asked for help. That's step 1. If he doesn't do that, 3B holds his tongue and does nothing. But he asked for help. Step 2 is whether anyone else has more information. 3B said that he did. Step 3 is crew chief asks if anyone else wants to weigh in. That's the fucking procedure and that's what we want, as every Red Sox fan knows.
Also, as Darling just noted, we don't know why HPU asked. He may well have had it as a tip but thought it was caught but needed help on whether it hit the ground, which is a 3BU call.
He didn't overrule him. Umps never volunteer information on another ump's primary call unless the primary asks for help, which HPU clearly did.
Well, I mean, we saw the initial conversation and it was clear he was telling Granderson he didn't tip it. I don't think the home plate umpire needed help there. I think he caved to Roberts' demand that he ask for help. He probably figured there was nothing to lose, but he was wrong.
I hope the Cubs blow this. Leaving a burned out Davis in is crazy. I mean, LA is using their 5th/6th best relievers right now. This needs to bite Maddon in the ass so he can get roasted over the coals all winter.
He burned out Chapman last post-season and it came oh so close to biting him in the ass. Chapman finished on fumes.
Not going to happen. He won the WS last year after a million year drought.
That's going to buy him a ton of leeway in that town for a LONG time.
The way it worked, whether he "caved" or not, is exactly how you want it to work if you want the best chance of the best call on a nonreviewable play. Any call can get kicked, including by 6 guys or 1. Bullshit like Darling was spewing is old constipated thinking about which ump should always call this or that, which took 50 years for umps and MLB to get past.
The ump conference was one of the best developments ever in Major League Baseball umpiring and if it maybe got a call wrong there (which I don't think it did) that isn't a reason to go back to territorial 1970s ump nonsense.
Actually, the way it's probably supposed to work is that Roberts gets warned, then ejected. Managers are not allowed to come out and argue judgment calls. They can "appeal" incorrect rule interpretations, and a catcher can make the umpire ask for help on a check swing called a ball. But here, there shouldn't really be discretion to argue.
Respectfully, You're moving the goalposts. Second, bullshit. Every one of these guys has thousands of games under his belt. Every one of them has developed a rapport with managers about which magic words cross over from questioning a call to arguing it. There is way more latitude than you seem to acknowledge, other than ball/strike and replay decisions.
Davis might have just hit a wall, release point looked way off.
Edit: LOL
Then gets the game-ending DP
Edit: LOL
Then gets the game-ending DP
Fine. A sweep would have meant too long a layoff for LA, and we'll need them to be sharp to beat the Yankees.
With all due respect, nope. He made a call. Strike, out. Then Roberts came out to argue that judgment call. And then he caved, and that's not how it's supposed to work under the rules.
If the Cubs lose are they going to take away last year's Championship?
As much as you guys like to pretend otherwise in these threads, Cubs fans are generally well aware that this team was a heavy dog going into the playoffs and were playing with house money after squeaking past Washington in a series that a minority expected to win prior to Game 1.
When you're under .500 at the All-Star break, fighting for your playoff lives against the Brewers in late September, and advancing past the first round on smoke and mirrors, losing in the NLCS to this Dodger team is hardly heartbreaking no matter how badly you guys seem to want it to be. Sheesh.
I'm reading a rule that suggests it worked exactly like it should, other than your claim to know what was in HPU's head and whether Robers used magic words that took it beyond a request for information and an appeal to arguing.
It has nothing to do with magic words. 9.02(a) concerns judgment calls. B and C concern rules interpretations/application. There is a difference. The latter are things that form the basis of a protested game, the former don't.
So Tito should have been run when he came out of the dugout, gesticulating wildly, and asked 1BU to ask for help?
Nope. That's a rules decision. Look, I'm not going to fight with you any more. You're right. Everyone followed the rules. And anyway, the instant replay clearly showed a foul tip. Enjoy your night.
First, taking the ball and going home is horseshit.
That was a rules decision? You think 1BU forgot the interference rule? Of course he didn't. He just missed it. That was a judgment call.
Managers come out all the time on judgment calls. They are always allowed to get an explanation. They also use that right to argue a little. And they are usually given latitude. Especially in the playoffs. They also can always ask for primary to ask for help. Most of the time they say no. Tonight he said yes.
No, continuing to argue with a person belligerently defending an admittedly blown call would be horseshit. You've got the eagle eye, boss.
Calls get kicked. I kicked the call on replay.
Here is what I am arguing, which you know: conferences are good; managers come out all the time on judgment calls; twice famously for Red Sox fans; slappy's play was not a rules question and is exactly what we want even if it led to a wrong call tonight; umps asking for help is a very positive development even if it sometimes over complicates it, at least until we have 100 percent replay.
Here's what's horseshit: drive by "you're wrong" posts, "but I am done arguing". Do one or the other. If you want someone to have the last word, great. If you want to continue a discussion, great. "You're wrong, I'm done, but I'm back because I found a tweet I like" is, well, lots of words. I will say inappropriate.
Here is what I am arguing, which you know: conferences are good; managers come out all the time on judgment calls; twice famously for Red Sox fans; slappy's play was not a rules question and is exactly what we want even if it led to a wrong call tonight; umps asking for help is a very positive development even if it sometimes over complicates it, at least until we have 100 percent replay.
Here's what's horseshit: drive by "you're wrong" posts, "but I am done arguing". Do one or the other. If you want someone to have the last word, great. If you want to continue a discussion, great. "You're wrong, I'm done, but I'm back because I found a tweet I like" is, well, lots of words. I will say inappropriate.
There's a reason foul tips are not reviewable with instant replay, and it's not because the cameras aren't good enough. It's the same reason balls and strikes aren't reviewable. And for the same reason you're not allowed to argue either one of them under 9.02(a), and neither is appropriate for help from the 3rd base umpire. And that's why Ron Darling, who so infuriates you, didn't like it, and why Joe Maddon says the process was wrong, and why every former player in the TBS studio said they've never seen an umpire ask for help on one of those calls.
You're wrong about the process, just like you were wrong about the tip. But you're just going to come back with a bunch of insults and cursing, so yeah, I'll take my ball home, knowing you're wrong, and I'm, well, lots of words.
You're wrong about the process, just like you were wrong about the tip. But you're just going to come back with a bunch of insults and cursing, so yeah, I'll take my ball home, knowing you're wrong, and I'm, well, lots of words.
I would really appreciate the Kershaw who doesn't give up a bunch of gopher balls to show up tonight.