Hayward's Injury

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This is probably me rationalizing, but I feel like a huge weight has been lifted off the season. If Brown and Tatum looked completely lost, I'd feel awful and angry, but I'm just so excited to see what they can do with force-fed minutes now that I'm able to avoid processing just how shitty this is for Hayward.
 

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The Celtics would be eligible to apply for the Disable Player Exception based on the Gordon Hayward injury. The exception would be worth $8.4M and Boston would have up until March 10 to use. The Celtics with an open roster spot can sign, claim or trade for a player that has one-year left on his contract.
http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0712100162578685292-4
Any early speculation on who they could snag? I'm not even sure how the disabled player exception really works.
 

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Think the question that really matters now is whether whenever Hayward does come back (late this season, offseason, early next season) he is back to the player he was before the injury. If he is (or close to it), I'm pretty optimistic for next season (although it really sucks that this season is basically out the window). But if he comes back and is only say 50-75% the player he was before, Cs are in real trouble as they would then be paying a max contract to someone deserving at most 50-75% of that.

I'm not familiar enough with these types of injuries to know what the danger is that these can be career enders (if not in actuality, at least de facto). Someone with more familiarity have any idea what the likelihood is that Hayward is just never the same?
 

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Think the question that really matters now is whether whenever Hayward does come back (late this season, offseason, early next season) he is back to the player he was before the injury. If he is (or close to it), I'm pretty optimistic for next season (although it really sucks that this season is basically out the window). But if he comes back and is only say 50-75% the player he was before, Cs are in real trouble as they would then be paying a max contract to someone deserving at most 50-75% of that.

I'm not familiar enough with these types of injuries to know what the danger is that these can be career enders (if not in actuality, at least de facto). Someone with more familiarity have any idea what the likelihood is that Hayward is just never the same?
Scroll up, read the blog, filed under “Have at it”
 

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Think the question that really matters now is whether whenever Hayward does come back (late this season, offseason, early next season) he is back to the player he was before the injury. If he is (or close to it), I'm pretty optimistic for next season (although it really sucks that this season is basically out the window). But if he comes back and is only say 50-75% the player he was before, Cs are in real trouble as they would then be paying a max contract to someone deserving at most 50-75% of that.

I'm not familiar enough with these types of injuries to know what the danger is that these can be career enders (if not in actuality, at least de facto). Someone with more familiarity have any idea what the likelihood is that Hayward is just never the same?
You should read DRS' blog
 

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The Celtics would be eligible to apply for the Disable Player Exception based on the Gordon Hayward injury. The exception would be worth $8.4M and Boston would have up until March 10 to use. The Celtics with an open roster spot can sign, claim or trade for a player that has one-year left on his contract.
http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0712100162578685292-4
Quickly looking at the teams who are very long shots to make the playoffs, eliminating RFA, and guys teams likely want to re-sign (Noel in Dallas for example) these are the not that inspiring guys who might make sense and fit the requirements:
Josh McRoberts
Arron Afflalo
Lavoy Allen
Quincy Pondexter
Marco Bellinelli
Ersan Illyasova

That's about it for guys we could probably get in a glorified dump from a tanking or soon to tank team. A real trade seems less likely since the ceiling is low and the player has to be expiring.
 

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This is probably me rationalizing, but I feel like a huge weight has been lifted off the season. If Brown and Tatum looked completely lost, I'd feel awful and angry, but I'm just so excited to see what they can do with force-fed minutes now that I'm able to avoid processing just how shitty this is for Hayward.
This is the position I'm settling into. I mean it still sucks but we aren't exactly left with jack or shit. I'm encouraged by the baby C's and I still think this will be an enjoyable season. Of course I'll feel even better once GH gets successful surgery or whatever treatment he needs but I don't feel like the world is ending anymore.

Eta: Love the blog, DRS!
 

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Even if it’s medically possible he could make it back by the end of the year, I think the prudent thing is to IR him and let him recover fully. Don’t give the slightest temptation to rushing it to make it back. For what? Let him rehab without the pressure of a deadline. Jut try and be healthy by Christmas 2018, and let’s see what we have then.
 

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Quickly looking at the teams who are very long shots to make the playoffs, eliminating RFA, and guys teams likely want to re-sign (Noel in Dallas for example) these are the not that inspiring guys who might make sense and fit the requirements:
Josh McRoberts
Arron Afflalo
Lavoy Allen
Quincy Pondexter
Marco Bellinelli
Ersan Illyasova

That's about it for guys we could probably get in a glorified dump from a tanking or soon to tank team. A real trade seems less likely since the ceiling is low and the player has to be expiring.
Afflalo makes a ton of sense as a depth guy. About the best you could hope for.
 

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DRS' blog bummed me the fuck out. There's no way this guy could even get back come playoff time? Fuuuuuuuuuuu
DRS' blogside manner sucks. That said, I appreciate his take because there was some speculation that HeighWerd might make it back earlier in the evening. Its better for all involved to accept the fact that he won't play for Boston this year. Get healthy and get ready for 2018-19 when he, Irving and Anthony Dav...er, the rest of the roster can make a run at a ring...
 

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Sorry guys that absolutely sucks.

Longer term it's probably good for the development of the kids etc. Brown will get a whole lot more reps, I think that can only help him. He's still Jeff green in a better team and system for me.
Tatum could also benefit a lot. But I think he would have done better having more time to watch and get coached up on lower minutes. He still flashes moments of falling back to iso when unsure or stressed. It's only harder to break two players of that habit at once.

I have seen this injury a couple times in football it looks brutal
 

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DRS' blogside manner sucks. That said, I appreciate his take because there was some speculation that HeighWerd might make it back earlier in the evening. Its better for all involved to accept the fact that he won't play for Boston this year. Get healthy and get ready for 2018-19 when he, Irving and Anthony Dav...er, the rest of the roster can make a run at a ring...
This is where I'm at right now. Hopefully LeBron is in LA next year too.
 

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DRS' blog bummed me the fuck out. There's no way this guy could even get back come playoff time? Fuuuuuuuuuuu
Right after it happened, I was afraid we were looking at Shaun Livingston 2.0. A once potentially awesome player turned into a good player because of a freak accident. After reading DRS's blog, I am "cautiously optimistic." I will gladly take an October or even December 2018 return if it means GH is at least 95% the player he was pre-injury. YMMV.
 

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While watching in real time, it looked like a knee injury to me... at least until they showed his ankle going the wrong direction. I'm hoping there isn't additional damage to his knee as well.
 

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Sorry guys that absolutely sucks.

Longer term it's probably good for the development of the kids etc. Brown will get a whole lot more reps, I think that can only help him. He's still Jeff green in a better team and system for me.
Tatum could also benefit a lot. But I think he would have done better having more time to watch and get coached up on lower minutes. He still flashes moments of falling back to iso when unsure or stressed. It's only harder to break two players of that habit at once.

I have seen this injury a couple times in football it looks brutal
Brown attacked the rim with more aggression tonight in this one game than Green seemed to his whole time in a Celtic uniform. The physical skills may be a match, but he is in a different place in terms of how he approaches the game.
 

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Waking up this morning and realizing all over again that Hayward is gone for most of the season hit all over again. The picture to start the thread also hit again.. seems Wade and LeBron are in the mix (coincidentally last night (LeBron bumped Hayward mid air?), but Wade maliciously earlier against Rondo in the playoffs) of some of the most gut-wrenching injuries/ losses the C's have had over the past 10 years or so. Against these guys it just seems worse.
 

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Brown attacked the rim with more aggression tonight in this one game than Green seemed to his whole time in a Celtic uniform. The physical skills may be a match, but he is in a different place in terms of how he approaches the game.
+1. As others have observed, if Brown develops an outside shot, he's going to be a beast.

Back to Hayward: I had a sick feeling when the announcer said so quickly, "Hayward has broken his leg." How did he know that? Then the camera zoomed in on Hayward on the floor. Gruesome. I hope surgery goes well, then it becomes a waiting game.
 

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Back to Hayward: I had a sick feeling when the announcer said so quickly, "Hayward has broken his leg." How did he know that? Then the camera zoomed in on Hayward on the floor. Gruesome. I hope surgery goes well, then it becomes a waiting game.
Announcer was sitting courtside, and watched him fold up. I saw it instantly and paused it so the kids didn't see a closeup I knew was coming as the announcer spoke.

Time for the kids to carry the season...
 

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Announcer was sitting courtside, and watched him fold up. I saw it instantly and paused it so the kids didn't see a closeup I knew was coming as the announcer spoke.

Time for the kids to carry the season...


This.

I refuse to call what I'm about to say a "silver lining". But at least Hayward's minutes will mostly be going to the Celtics' players of the future, as opposed to Jeff Green types. I realize that not everyone will agree with that statement.
 

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Waking up this morning and realizing all over again that Hayward is gone for most of the season hit all over again. The picture to start the thread also hit again.. seems Wade and LeBron are in the mix (coincidentally last night (LeBron bumped Hayward mid air?), but Wade maliciously earlier against Rondo in the playoffs) of some of the most gut-wrenching injuries/ losses the C's have had over the past 10 years or so. Against these guys it just seems worse.
Yep. Still feel sick for Hayward and disappointed that all the optimism that we felt on July 4 and all the optimism surrounding the potential for this season is deflated.

I don't think there was anything wrong with what LeBron did. If anything I'm growing more and more upset with Kyrie for throwing up an absolute hospital ball that wasn't even close to the rim. Throwing that pass with LeBron closing out on Hayward was like throwing a short pass over the middle with vintage Ray Lewis closing out on the receiver.
 

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Yep. Still feel sick for Hayward and disappointed that all the optimism that we felt on July 4 and all the optimism surrounding the potential for this season is deflated.

I don't think there was anything wrong with what LeBron did. If anything I'm growing more and more upset with Kyrie for throwing up an absolute hospital ball that wasn't even close to the rim. Throwing that pass with LeBron closing out on Hayward was like throwing a short pass over the middle with vintage Ray Lewis closing out on the receiver.
It's a freak play. There's no one to blame. Players make those cuts and jumps all game. This one just went horribly wrong.
 

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No one did anything intentionally. I haven't gone back and watched it for obvious reasons but in real time, I thought it was a foul. A guy cannot be bumped or undercut like that in mid-air and it not be a foul in this league. Too dangerous of a situation.
 

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It's a freak play. There's no one to blame. Players make those cuts and jumps all game. This one just went horribly wrong.
Yeah there was another play later in the game at the other end where I think Horford came down similarly with his leg at a weird angle and then got up and just headed back down court like nothing happened. Or the play where Horford's left arm got wrapped up with Green as he was going to the rim and he went down awkwardly as well. 99.9% of the time, the human body absorbs these impacts with little more than a bruise or a slight tweak. But sometimes awful things happen and it's not because anyone did anything wrong, it's just because shit happens.
 

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Brown attacked the rim with more aggression tonight in this one game than Green seemed to his whole time in a Celtic uniform. The physical skills may be a match, but he is in a different place in terms of how he approaches the game.
I've not gone back to look at the game but w.r.t. Tatum, I thought he did a good job of keeping the ball moving and not forcing shots. I can only think of a couple of instances where he started pounding the ball (as opposed to Smart, who seemed to do it most of the 2Q).

If Tatum can keep getting better, he's going to be something else.
 

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I just got the family out the door, was enjoying my eggs and english muffin for breakfast, when an uncontrollable tourette like "FUCK!" yelled itself right out of my throat.

I am not over this yet.

FUCK!
 

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I've watched the replay a few times. It's not horrifying to watch, for some reason, maybe because you don't see blood or bone. Even seeing the picture of his foot at a 90 degree angle doesn't even look real. It just looks like a bad photoshop.

It wasn't a dirty play at all, the bodies got tangled and Hayward's foot wedged under his body. It was just a bad piece of luck.
 

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FUUUUUUUUUUUCK!!!!!

That aside, I agree with notion that this takes the pressure off a bit and that may be actually good for the Celtics in the long-run (assuming GH is going to be the same player in 2018). Getting Brown and Tatum (and Ojeleye, to a lesser extent) big minutes this year should be the priority and the kid's performance last night was really, really encouraging.
 

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SiriusXM NBA Radio had a surgeon on this morning- he said that assuming surgery today goes well, that there's a good chance he can play again late this year--he did add the caveat that he hasn't seen the x-rays of course. Scalabrine asked if this was the type of thing that would bother him on second day of a back to back after playing 40 minutes the night before and the surgeon said not at all. That if there are no "surprises" that he should be okay once he heals.
 

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Longer term it's probably good for the development of the kids etc. Brown will get a whole lot more reps, I think that can only help him. He's still Jeff green in a better team and system for me.
Right now? Or long term?

I don't think there was anything wrong with what LeBron did. If anything I'm growing more and more upset with Kyrie for throwing up an absolute hospital ball that wasn't even close to the rim. Throwing that pass with LeBron closing out on Hayward was like throwing a short pass over the middle with vintage Ray Lewis closing out on the receiver.
I was going to post the exact same thing. That was awful decision-making and execution (no pun intended) by Kyrie. The guy is sandwiched between two above average, physical defenders in Crowder and Lebron. Play had no chance of happening. Don't get cute.

We don't seem to have good luck on injuries resulting from ally-oops. See Rondo/KG.
 

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This makes me feel even worse. Almost like the Hayward injury is bad karma for how we kicked IT4 to the curb once he was injured.
This is dumb. Do better.

And if we hadn't traded IT4 and this happened we'd be lucky to win 35 games.
 

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SiriusXM NBA Radio had a surgeon on this morning- he said that assuming surgery today goes well, that there's a good chance he can play again late this year--he did add the caveat that he hasn't seen the x-rays of course. Scalabrine asked if this was the type of thing that would bother him on second day of a back to back after playing 40 minutes the night before and the surgeon said not at all. That if there are no "surprises" that he should be okay once he heals.
Just give him the year off. I’m sure they’ll be smart about it but I really worry about the long-term impact of this injury.
 

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Gorman on 98.5 standing by his no ligament damage, back by March news. People are going to be upset when the real news comes out later today.
 

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What really sucks is I think the Celtics were better than Cleveland with Hayward and by the time the playoffs rolled around they’d be much fresher because of their youth. I believe they would have won the East. They wouldn’t have beaten Golden State unless Durant’s foot had fallen off instead, but it would have been fun to watch.

The real window always started next year and only if Klay leaves. But, boy oh boy, if Brown and Tatum are showing real signs of who they are this team will be a force for the next decade.
 

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Just give him the year off. I’m sure they’ll be smart about it but I really worry about the long-term impact of this injury.
I get that, but what the guy is saying is that this type of injury should not have a long-term impact. Again, baring something surprising in surgery, etc.

Let me have this!
 

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Gorman on 98.5 standing by his no ligament damage, back by March news. People are going to be upset when the real news comes out later today.
So how'd the surgery go doc?

EDIT: To be clear, I'm not saying they won't decide to shut him down, but no one knows. And we're sports fans, let us be optimistic until we can't be any longer.
 

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Shouldn't we wait to know the exact injury before we speculate on recovery time? The blog above is obviously appreciated but it is assuming specific injuries and each case will be different, right?

I too, have had a fractured dislocation, and no I am not a professional athlete, but I did come back with increased flexibility and strength in that ankle post surgery fwiw ie not much.
 

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+1. As others have observed, if Brown develops an outside shot, he's going to be a beast.

Back to Hayward: I had a sick feeling when the announcer said so quickly, "Hayward has broken his leg." How did he know that? Then the camera zoomed in on Hayward on the floor. Gruesome. I hope surgery goes well, then it becomes a waiting game.
Had the same feeling. Looked like he had taken a hard fall and was having trouble getting up, but knew instantly it was far worse when I heard the announcer. Then the camera cut to his leg. Ugh.
 

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This is so deflating. I guess if you are looking for a positive take, it allows Jaylen Brown and all our rookies to develop/get minutes. In an ideal world, Jaylen shows he can score 15+ a night consistently while playing good D and Hayward comes back in March.
 

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My 12 year old is inconsolable right now. He LOVES the Celtics and was so excited for this season. He came running out of the room screaming, "oh my god, oh my god! Hayward just hurt his leg. I told him to settle down and then saw it. Just brutal.

I feel so bad for him.
I daresay that we are all your 12-year old.

I was devastated last night and I'm only slightly less devastated this morning.

That the MFYs rallied to take the lead at about the same time was a bit of salt to the wound, too. Apples and oranges, I know, but still linked in time and suck.
 

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Surgery today is good isn't it, since it means there wasn't swelling that could delay the surgery for another 2 weeks?
 

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Well...on the bright side for Hayward, he has small kids so he'll get to spend time with them. Which is nice. I guess.

Watch those matchbox cars and legos, big fella.
 

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Gorman on 98.5 standing by his no ligament damage, back by March news. People are going to be upset when the real news comes out later today.
There are a lot of poor anatomy and physiology takes everywhere, even in this thread.

Ankle ligament damage here is a 100% certainty and also the least important part of the discussion. If you have ever sprained your ankle badly, you have torn these ligaments.

Obviously by "clean", they mean vascular and nerve, not ligament. And that is certainly good news
 

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Paul George came back, and so will Hayward. I'd rather have him miss the entire year than rush him back too soon.

I feel terrible for Hayward but not for the Celtics. Tatum, Brown, Smart and Rozier will step up, along with some of the other young players. We saw that in the 2nd half last night.